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Juristonia
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Postby Juristonia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:33 am

Ucropi wrote:
Juristonia wrote:
This is, what, the sixth time you've illustrated not having a clue what PC actually means now?

As per Google
Google wrote:po·lit·i·cal cor·rect·ness
noun
the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.


And where in any of that does it state that it would be illegal for you to state your opinions?

But post it a third time.
Maybe it'll magically change meanings then.
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Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Ucropi » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:34 am

Sdaeriji wrote:
Ucropi wrote:What is it then?


Telling people who say offensive things that they're assholes.

AHAHAHA! You thought I had no clue XD
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Postby Altarica » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:35 am

Revanchism wrote:
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Political correctness is telling people that certain language is unacceptable, in my view that's censoring free speech.

Hahaha please tell me how your "freedom of speech" is being violated by people voicing their own opinions and saying "Dat shit's racist, yo."


Who mentioned racism?! I was talking about freedom of speech in a wider scope where people are free to say what they truly believe.

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Postby Sdaeriji » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:35 am

Ucropi wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:
Telling people who say offensive things that they're assholes.

AHAHAHA! You thought I had no clue XD


Yeah, that's my default stance when talking to you.
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Postby Juristonia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:35 am

Altarica wrote:
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Then your opinion is factually inaccurate since no one is legislating against free speech.
If anything, they're using free speech to criticize you.


I never mentioned legislation. Telling people that they cannot use certain language is certainly not free speech.


Yes, it is.
Forcing you not to use certain language is limiting free speech.
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Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Ucropi » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:35 am

Juristonia wrote:
Ucropi wrote:As per Google


And where in any of that does it state that it would be illegal for you to state your opinions?

But post it a third time.
Maybe it'll magically change meanings then.

Censoring things isn't illegal last time I checked. Good job though, maybe remove that broomstick?

Was that broomstick part PC? I'm not sure.
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Postby Juristonia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:36 am

Altarica wrote:
Revanchism wrote:Hahaha please tell me how your "freedom of speech" is being violated by people voicing their own opinions and saying "Dat shit's racist, yo."


Who mentioned racism?! I was talking about freedom of speech in a wider scope where people are free to say what they truly believe.


Which they are.
You're allowed to say dumb things and people are allowed to tell you you're saying dumb things.
Free speech all around right there.
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Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:36 am

Altarica wrote:
Revanchism wrote:Hahaha please tell me how your "freedom of speech" is being violated by people voicing their own opinions and saying "Dat shit's racist, yo."


Who mentioned racism?! I was talking about freedom of speech in a wider scope where people are free to say what they truly believe.

You are free to say it, you're not free from pissing people off.

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Postby Altarica » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:37 am

Juristonia wrote:
Altarica wrote:
I never mentioned legislation. Telling people that they cannot use certain language is certainly not free speech.


Yes, it is.
Forcing you not to use certain language is limiting free speech.


People aren't forced to adhere to PC language, it's slowly imposed over a period of time until they do it by default.

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Postby Flaxxony » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:37 am

I used to not care.

Then someone called my girlfriend the n-word. Now i almost universally support it.

Pretty ballsy of them to say that right to her fucking face while I was right there.

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Postby Juristonia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:37 am

Ucropi wrote:
Juristonia wrote:
And where in any of that does it state that it would be illegal for you to state your opinions?

But post it a third time.
Maybe it'll magically change meanings then.

Censoring things isn't illegal last time I checked. Good job though, maybe remove that broomstick?

Was that broomstick part PC? I'm not sure.


I take it you've exhausted all your already regurgitated actual arguments now then.
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Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Altarica » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:38 am

Juristonia wrote:
Altarica wrote:
Who mentioned racism?! I was talking about freedom of speech in a wider scope where people are free to say what they truly believe.


Which they are.
You're allowed to say dumb things and people are allowed to tell you you're saying dumb things.
Free speech all around right there.


Exactly! That's what I'm trying to say. I have no problem with people calling others out if they disagree with something they have said. What I have a problem with is people attempting to stop others from saying things because it has offended them.

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Postby Ucropi » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:38 am

Juristonia wrote:
Ucropi wrote:Censoring things isn't illegal last time I checked. Good job though, maybe remove that broomstick?

Was that broomstick part PC? I'm not sure.


I take it you've exhausted all your already regurgitated actual arguments now then.

No I just read this from one of the people who are on your side and realized you cannot win XD

Sdaeriji wrote:
Ucropi wrote:What is it then?


Telling people who say offensive things that they're assholes.
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Postby Juristonia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:39 am

Altarica wrote:People aren't forced to adhere to PC language,


Thus free speech isn't being infringed on.
Glad we agree.

Altarica wrote:it's slowly imposed over a period of time until they do it by default.


And?
They still have the right to say it.
Why they don't is their issue.
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Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:39 am

Altarica wrote:
Juristonia wrote:
Which they are.
You're allowed to say dumb things and people are allowed to tell you you're saying dumb things.
Free speech all around right there.


Exactly! That's what I'm trying to say. I have no problem with people calling others out if they disagree with something they have said. What I have a problem with is people attempting to stop others from saying things because it has offended them.

What you're describing isn't political correctness, it's willful ignorance.

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Postby Ucropi » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:39 am

Altarica wrote:
Juristonia wrote:
Which they are.
You're allowed to say dumb things and people are allowed to tell you you're saying dumb things.
Free speech all around right there.


Exactly! That's what I'm trying to say. I have no problem with people calling others out if they disagree with something they have said. What I have a problem with is people attempting to stop others from saying things because it has offended them.

I agree with this.
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Postby Juristonia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:40 am

Ucropi wrote:No I just read this from one of the people who are on your side and realized you cannot win XD
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Care to have that sentence make some actual sense?
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Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Ucropi » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:42 am

Juristonia wrote:
Ucropi wrote:No I just read this from one of the people who are on your side and realized you cannot win XD
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Care to have that sentence make some actual sense?

Hey seriously dude, want to tone down the "internet intellectual tough guy" act?

inb4 ad hominem or strawman or some other pseudo-intellectual term or phrase you're going to respond with.
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Postby Revanchism » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:43 am

Ucropi wrote:
Revanchism wrote:Hahaha please tell me how your "freedom of speech" is being violated by people voicing their own opinions and saying "Dat shit's racist, yo."

No it's the telling people what they can or cannot say that's censoring

I think you gravely misunderstand what censorship is and what "freedom of speech" entails.
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Postby Juristonia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:44 am

Ucropi wrote:
Juristonia wrote:
Care to have that sentence make some actual sense?

Hey seriously dude, want to tone down the "internet intellectual tough guy" act?

inb4 ad hominem or strawman or some other pseudo-intellectual term or phrase you're going to respond with.


If by intellectual tough guy you mean someone who genuinely don't understand what you were trying to say there, then hey, I'll wear the title.

Care to actually get back to the topic instead of trying to turn this in to a playground fight?
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Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Ucropi » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:45 am

Juristonia wrote:
Ucropi wrote:Hey seriously dude, want to tone down the "internet intellectual tough guy" act?

inb4 ad hominem or strawman or some other pseudo-intellectual term or phrase you're going to respond with.


If by intellectual tough guy you mean someone who genuinely don't understand what you were trying to say there, then hey, I'll wear the title.

Care to actually get back to the topic instead of trying to turn this in to a playground fight?

Political Correctness is censorship. I'm not going to be racist or attempt to offend people so don't give me a list of words I can or cannot say.
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Postby Altarica » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:46 am

Juristonia wrote:
Altarica wrote:People aren't forced to adhere to PC language,


Thus free speech isn't being infringed on.
Glad we agree.

Altarica wrote:it's slowly imposed over a period of time until they do it by default.


And?
They still have the right to say it.
Why they don't is their issue.


I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this issue; I don't think we're seeing eye-to eye.

Also, on a separate note, your signature's description of atheism is possibly the funniest thing I've seen on NS.

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Postby Juristonia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:47 am

Ucropi wrote:
Juristonia wrote:
If by intellectual tough guy you mean someone who genuinely don't understand what you were trying to say there, then hey, I'll wear the title.

Care to actually get back to the topic instead of trying to turn this in to a playground fight?

Political Correctness is censorship. I'm not going to be racist or attempt to offend people so don't give me a list of words I can or cannot say.


So for the fourth time, you don't know what political correctness actually is, despite the fact that multiple people have tried to explain it to you, and will just keep regurgitating the same flawed arguments.
I think I'm about done here.
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Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Ucropi » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:48 am

Juristonia wrote:
Ucropi wrote:Political Correctness is censorship. I'm not going to be racist or attempt to offend people so don't give me a list of words I can or cannot say.


So for the fourth time, you don't know what political correctness actually is, despite the fact that multiple people have tried to explain it to you, and will just keep regurgitating the same flawed arguments.
I think I'm about done here.

You keep telling me I don't know what it is yet you've not given a definition while I have. So what is it?
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:50 am

Ucropi wrote:
Juristonia wrote:
So for the fourth time, you don't know what political correctness actually is, despite the fact that multiple people have tried to explain it to you, and will just keep regurgitating the same flawed arguments.
I think I'm about done here.

You keep telling me I don't know what it is yet you've not given a definition while I have. So what is it?

the avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against

OR

demonstrating progressive ideals, esp by avoiding vocabulary that is considered offensive, discriminatory, or judgmental
Yes.

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