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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:32 pm

Just so were clear what's being discussed:
From Merriam Webster's:
Politically Correct: conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated.


I know a lot of unnecessary rhetoric comes under scrutiny for being politically incorrect, but we're just discussing the above. Many of course claim that this is "onerous" and prevents truth from being told. So I want to know, NS, what is your opinion of political correctness?

As for me, I believe some of it is unnecessary and downright unneeded, however, the word political correctness is terrible for describing what it truly is: not being an asshole.
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Postby Murkwood » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:33 pm

It's getting crazy these days. Everything is offensive to someone, so we need to get rid of it. Ugh.
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Postby Great Franconia and Verana » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:34 pm

I think that some people take it way too far, but some people who discount it entirely can be offensive. Like everything, there is a balance that must be struck

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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:34 pm

I mostly support it. there is no good reason to use offensive language.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:34 pm

Gets somewhat....too much at times.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:35 pm

Great Franconia and Verana wrote:I think that some people take it way too far, but some people who discount it entirely can be offensive. Like everything, there is a balance that must be struck

^^This.
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Postby Spoder » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:35 pm

I share Ray Bradbury's opinion, as written in the Anniversary Edition of Fahrenheit 451
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Postby Sklavinia » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:36 pm

Fucking hate it. Political Correctness is nothing but the creation of over-sensitive liberals who hypocritically want to silence Freedom of Speech.
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Postby Aushanit » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:36 pm

Some people blue the line between political correctness and simply common curd act and politeness all the time. Some people mistake them for one another all the time but when it is happening it can get a little absurd.

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Postby Pope Joan » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:36 pm

I hope I never deliberately offend anyone, but it does seem that there has grown up an entire industry of "offendedness".

We ought to have better things to do with our time and energy than to take umbrage at every trifle.
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Postby Othelos » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:36 pm

it's one of those things people use to do stuff with.

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Postby Silent Majority » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:37 pm

Well, just because you can say something doesn't mean you should.
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Postby Ratateague » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:39 pm

We seem to have the right amount of it, just need to do a better job of where and when it's applied. :p
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Postby Pope Joan » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:39 pm

Sklavinia wrote:Fucking hate it. Political Correctness is nothing but the creation of over-sensitive liberals who hypocritically want to silence Freedom of Speech.


Somehow the right wing has claimed this PC label for its own use, yet the same could be said against it as well.

"It is politically incorrect for someone on the right to say they think public prayer is wrong, that we must raise taxes on the wealthy, that the military is bloated and wasteful, that we should raise the minimum wage, that gays should be able to marry, that immigrants aren't bad for America, that Obama is not a socialist, and that gun control is the right thing to do. Anyone who dares defy the right's PC code gets ostracized or turned upon by the party."


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Postby Atlanticatia » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:40 pm

Well, there's no reason to tolerate xenophobic/racist/homophobic/anti-semitic/Islamophobic/prejudiced speech.
But I think that the context also needs to be considered.
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Postby Evil Grantica » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:41 pm

It's the worst in schools. Like banning a Village People song for a talent show because in the original music video, one of the members dressed up as an Indian.

In general, I also oppose it. Not being a jerk is great, but political correctness is just code for unnecessary censorship and self-censorship these days.
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Postby Shilya » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:41 pm

There's a difference between being considerate in your choice of words and deliberately changing language as a whole.

The former is not being a dick. The latter is being a dick, though usually fortunatly only to other dicks. But language shapes thoughts, and someone with that degree over it can also use it to nudge them in the direction they desire.

On top of that, it often leads to the he-who-must-not-be-named effect, also observed in the n-word, the f-word, the l-word and other such words. People get afraid of soundwaves. Not what they mean, the words themselves get power that way. More than they should have.
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Postby Spoder » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:41 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:Well, there's no reason to tolerate xenophobic/racist/homophobic/anti-semitic/Islamophobic/prejudiced speech.
But I think that the context also needs to be considered.

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Postby Herskerstad » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:42 pm

Can be alright as a personal initiative, can be pretty terrible on a political level. Like removing offensive words from huckleberry finn or other great works.

Can't wait for a politically correct deadwood. I'd feel sorry for whoever would get the editing job for that.
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Postby Murkwood » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:42 pm

Pope Joan wrote:
Sklavinia wrote:Fucking hate it. Political Correctness is nothing but the creation of over-sensitive liberals who hypocritically want to silence Freedom of Speech.


Somehow the right wing has claimed this PC label for its own use, yet the same could be said against it as well.

"It is politically incorrect for someone on the right to say they think public prayer is wrong, that we must raise taxes on the wealthy, 1. that the military is bloated and wasteful, 2. that we should raise the minimum wage, 3. that gays should be able to marry, 4. that immigrants aren't bad for America, 5. that Obama is not a socialist, and that gun control is the right thing to do. Anyone who dares defy the right's PC code gets ostracized or turned upon by the party."


http://www.tennessean.com/story/opinion ... e/9113131/

1. Rand Paul?
2. Many Republicans have already said this.
3. See above.
4. This is not the GOP's official position.
5. See above.
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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:44 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:
Somehow the right wing has claimed this PC label for its own use, yet the same could be said against it as well.

"It is politically incorrect for someone on the right to say they think public prayer is wrong, that we must raise taxes on the wealthy, 1. that the military is bloated and wasteful, 2. that we should raise the minimum wage, 3. that gays should be able to marry, 4. that immigrants aren't bad for America, 5. that Obama is not a socialist, and that gun control is the right thing to do. Anyone who dares defy the right's PC code gets ostracized or turned upon by the party."


http://www.tennessean.com/story/opinion ... e/9113131/

1. Rand Paul?
2. Many Republicans have already said this.
3. See above.
4. This is not the GOP's official position.
5. See above.

Pardon me for the source, but it is not a left wing phenomena alone: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... nservative)

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Postby The Althing Confederacy » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:44 pm

Political correctness:
~A well intentioned, contradiction of terms; resulting in madness.
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Postby Spoder » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:46 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:
Somehow the right wing has claimed this PC label for its own use, yet the same could be said against it as well.

"It is politically incorrect for someone on the right to say they think public prayer is wrong, that we must raise taxes on the wealthy, 1. that the military is bloated and wasteful, 2. that we should raise the minimum wage, 3. that gays should be able to marry, 4. that immigrants aren't bad for America, 5. that Obama is not a socialist, and that gun control is the right thing to do. Anyone who dares defy the right's PC code gets ostracized or turned upon by the party."


http://www.tennessean.com/story/opinion ... e/9113131/

1. Rand Paul?
2. Many Republicans have already said this.
3. See above.
4. This is not the GOP's official position.
5. See above.

To add to that, many "right-wingers" think that some amount of gun policies are a good idea.

It's just that every fucking bill suggested was made by disphits who don't look at gun death statistics, don't look at the type of gun used, and make up words to describe weaponry.
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Postby Greater Germany » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:46 pm

I just apply what seems to me as common sense and try to not be deliberately offensive.

What Pope Joan above said mostly fits my view. Some people are just out to take offense or play the victim, and it colours the entire concept.
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Postby Layarteb » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:46 pm

It's intolerably insufferable and it needs to go the way of the dinosaur in a similarly cataclysmic end. It is an enemy to any freedom of speech or thought and it has become a tool for oppression and double standard.
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