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Postby Vamtrl » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:24 pm

A woman, a child and a baby have died in Pakistan during riots over an allegedly blasphemous Facebook post.

Their home was one of several set on fire in the city of Gujranwala on Sunday and another woman miscarried during the violence.

The woman, her seven-year-old granddaughter and her baby sister died of suffocation, according to police officials.

The victims were members of the Ahmadi religious sect, who identify with Islam but are widely regarded as heretics in Pakistan and face persecution.

Rioting erupted as rumours spread that a young Ahmadi man, identified as Saqib, shared a blasphemous picture on Facebook, Pakistan Today reported.

It allegedly included the Kaaba — the cuboid building at the centre of the Grand Mosque in Mecca that Muslims face in prayer – and contained nudity.

A mob reportedly gathered outside Saqib’s house and started protesting.

When they moved to a doctor’s house where Ahmadis were thought to be hiding, someone inside reportedly shot at the mob and injured the man who had started the Facebook rumour.

The group then set five Ahmadi houses on fire, killing the woman and children and injuring several others.

A mob collects the belongings of Ahmadis following accusations of blasphemy, in Gujranwala, Pakistan, A mob collects the belongings of Ahmadis following accusations of blasphemy, in Gujranwala, Pakistan, Pakistani television channels aired footage showing a mob armed with sticks, cheering outside the burning homes.

Differing sources claimed the woman was in her 30s and the girls were aged eight months and five years.

A police officer said another crowd of 150 people gathered at the local police station demanding the registration of a blasphemy case over the post.

The youth accused of making the original Facebook post had not been injured, he said.

Pakistan’s blasphemy laws carry a potential death sentence for anyone accused of insulting Islam, although they also cover all religions and places of worship.

Ahmadis consider themselves Muslim but believe in a prophet after Mohammed, the self-proclaimed Ghulam Ahmad, who was born in 1835.

He is not defined as a “law-giving” prophet but claimed to propagate the laws enunciated by Mohammed.

Pedestrians walks past the smoke-charred house of an Ahmadi resident following an attack by an angry mob in the low-income Arafat Colony The sect is defined as non-Muslim in Pakistan and a law in 1984 made it illegal for Ahmadis for identify as Muslims or “pose as Muslims”.

They are banned from using Muslim greetings, saying Muslim prayers or referring to their places of worship as a mosque.

Salim ud Din, a spokesman for the Ahmadi community, said it was the worst attack on the community since simultaneous attacks on Ahmadi places of worship killed 86 Ahmadis four years ago in Lahore.

“Police were there but just watching the burning. They didn't do anything to stop the mob,” he said. “First they looted their homes and shops and then they burnt the homes.”

In May, two Ahmadis, including a visiting American cardiologist of Pakistani origin, were shot and killed.

In the same month, a lawyer and a human rights activist representing a university professor on trial for blasphemy were shot in the city of Multan.

Accusations of blasphemy are rocketing in Pakistan, from one in 2011 to at least 68 last year, according to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan. About 100 people have been accused of blasphemy so far this year.

Human rights workers say the allegations are increasingly being used to settle personal vendettas or to seize property from the accused.

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TL;DR - One woman, a child and a baby (including one miscarriage) were killed by rage filled zealots who couldn't bear the thought of someone blaspheming their religion after a man shared a FB post.

Allah hu Akbar indeed.
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Postby Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:26 pm

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Postby Prezelly » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:27 pm

Show me a religion without zealots and I will convert
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Postby Canaore » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:28 pm

Prezelly wrote:Show me a religion without zealots and I will convert


Atheis — oh wait.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:28 pm

It is a shame that religious extremists act how they do. But hey, what can we actually do about it?
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:30 pm

Canaore wrote:
Prezelly wrote:Show me a religion without zealots and I will convert


Atheis — oh wait.

Maybe Buddhism. Not a very zealous religion.
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Postby Scomagia » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:30 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Canaore wrote:
Atheis — oh wait.

Maybe Buddhism. Not a very zealous religion.

They have their nutbags too, sadly.
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Postby Prezelly » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:31 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Canaore wrote:
Atheis — oh wait.

Maybe Buddhism. Not a very zealous religion.

Buddhists (correct me if im wrong) have some zealots but they inflict self harm rather than others harm.
Burning themselves in the streets for instance
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Postby Vamtrl » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:32 pm

Prezelly wrote:Show me a religion without zealots and I will convert


Agnosticism, not really a religion (maybe) and we don't have zealots. Welcome brother, we are perpetually on the fence.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:34 pm

Prezelly wrote:Show me a religion without zealots and I will convert

It's called agnosticism.
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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:34 pm

Canaore wrote:
Prezelly wrote:Show me a religion without zealots and I will convert


Atheis — oh wait.


Lack of a religion or religious belief, not a religion.
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Postby Canaore » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:34 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Canaore wrote:
Atheis — oh wait.

Maybe Buddhism. Not a very zealous religion.


I take it you've never read about the rioting monks in Burma.
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Postby Lexicor » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:34 pm

Prezelly wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Maybe Buddhism. Not a very zealous religion.

Buddhists (correct me if im wrong) have some zealots but they inflict self harm rather than others harm.
Burning themselves in the streets for instance


Google "Rohiynga Muslims" and you'll see the nut bags inflict other harm.
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Prezelly wrote:Show me a religion without zealots and I will convert

It's called agnosticism.

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Postby Prezelly » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:35 pm

Vamtrl wrote:
Prezelly wrote:Show me a religion without zealots and I will convert


Agnosticism, not really a religion (maybe) and we don't have zealots. Welcome brother, we are perpetually on the fence.

I see Agnostic as an adjective for religions rather than a religion.
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Geilinor wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:It's called agnosticism.

Not a religion.

It's the absence of religion though and is suggesting that the absence of religion is the one with the least zealots.
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Postby Adin » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:42 pm

I, being myself Muslim, am disgusted by this. I can understand why these people protested, but then set fire to the houses? They were innocent for crying outloud! They also burnt them which is even harsher. The facebook post, to me, sounds far-fetched unless it was photoshopped or some other form of photo manipulation. I can only hope they are saved from their minds and misdeeds, but to be honest I'm not surprised.

I do not want to get into a religious augment here so I ask you kindly not to bash me here. I am simply a Muslim speaking out against deeds like this.
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Postby Vamtrl » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:48 pm

Prezelly wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
Agnosticism, not really a religion (maybe) and we don't have zealots. Welcome brother, we are perpetually on the fence.

I see Agnostic as an adjective for religions rather than a religion.


What do you mean? 8)

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Vamtrl wrote:
A woman, a child and a baby have died in Pakistan during riots over an allegedly blasphemous Facebook post.

Their home was one of several set on fire in the city of Gujranwala on Sunday and another woman miscarried during the violence.

The woman, her seven-year-old granddaughter and her baby sister died of suffocation, according to police officials.

The victims were members of the Ahmadi religious sect, who identify with Islam but are widely regarded as heretics in Pakistan and face persecution.

Rioting erupted as rumours spread that a young Ahmadi man, identified as Saqib, shared a blasphemous picture on Facebook, Pakistan Today reported.

It allegedly included the Kaaba — the cuboid building at the centre of the Grand Mosque in Mecca that Muslims face in prayer – and contained nudity.

A mob reportedly gathered outside Saqib’s house and started protesting.

When they moved to a doctor’s house where Ahmadis were thought to be hiding, someone inside reportedly shot at the mob and injured the man who had started the Facebook rumour.

The group then set five Ahmadi houses on fire, killing the woman and children and injuring several others.

A mob collects the belongings of Ahmadis following accusations of blasphemy, in Gujranwala, Pakistan, A mob collects the belongings of Ahmadis following accusations of blasphemy, in Gujranwala, Pakistan, Pakistani television channels aired footage showing a mob armed with sticks, cheering outside the burning homes.

Differing sources claimed the woman was in her 30s and the girls were aged eight months and five years.

A police officer said another crowd of 150 people gathered at the local police station demanding the registration of a blasphemy case over the post.

The youth accused of making the original Facebook post had not been injured, he said.

Pakistan’s blasphemy laws carry a potential death sentence for anyone accused of insulting Islam, although they also cover all religions and places of worship.

Ahmadis consider themselves Muslim but believe in a prophet after Mohammed, the self-proclaimed Ghulam Ahmad, who was born in 1835.

He is not defined as a “law-giving” prophet but claimed to propagate the laws enunciated by Mohammed.

Pedestrians walks past the smoke-charred house of an Ahmadi resident following an attack by an angry mob in the low-income Arafat Colony The sect is defined as non-Muslim in Pakistan and a law in 1984 made it illegal for Ahmadis for identify as Muslims or “pose as Muslims”.

They are banned from using Muslim greetings, saying Muslim prayers or referring to their places of worship as a mosque.

Salim ud Din, a spokesman for the Ahmadi community, said it was the worst attack on the community since simultaneous attacks on Ahmadi places of worship killed 86 Ahmadis four years ago in Lahore.

“Police were there but just watching the burning. They didn't do anything to stop the mob,” he said. “First they looted their homes and shops and then they burnt the homes.”

In May, two Ahmadis, including a visiting American cardiologist of Pakistani origin, were shot and killed.

In the same month, a lawyer and a human rights activist representing a university professor on trial for blasphemy were shot in the city of Multan.

Accusations of blasphemy are rocketing in Pakistan, from one in 2011 to at least 68 last year, according to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan. About 100 people have been accused of blasphemy so far this year.

Human rights workers say the allegations are increasingly being used to settle personal vendettas or to seize property from the accused.

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TL;DR - One woman, a child and a baby (including one miscarriage) were killed by rage filled zealots who couldn't bear the thought of someone blaspheming their religion after a man shared a FB post.

Allah hu Akbar indeed.

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