What if the Republicans actually Impeach the President?

[Neutraligon]

Breaking the Constitution multiple times, sidestepping Congress, ordering troops to Libya without Congressional approval. . .

Source for the first and second, ordering troops to Libya was perfectly constitutional.

[Ashmoria]

So the better question is, what if Republicans actually attempt immigration reform?
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im thinking that its better to not pass an immigration bill now (even though we desperately need immigration reform) than to pass a bill that could get through the house. better no bill than a shitty bill. we can do reform later when the democrats are back in control.

[Farnhamia]

Breaking the Constitution multiple times, sidestepping Congress, ordering troops to Libya without Congressional approval. . .

How did he "break the Constitution"? Or sidestep Congress? As for Libya, no ground troops were ever sent there. He was obliged to notify Congress, not ask for permission.

[The Grey Wolf]

Obama wiretapped the nation, and routinely hid NSA spying programs from civilians, soooo...

So Bush should have been impeached as well?

[Ashmoria]

Breaking the Constitution multiple times, sidestepping Congress, ordering troops to Libya without Congressional approval. . .

high crimes and misdemeanors

he has to commit actual crimes.

[Anthony Willman]

Breaking the Constitution multiple times, sidestepping Congress, ordering troops to Libya without Congressional approval. . .

Source for the first and second, ordering troops to Libya was perfectly constitutional.

Was not. He did not ask Congress for approval. See section 8 of Article I: To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water

THE CONGRESS DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT GETTING PERMISSION FROM THE U.N.!

[Mithlonde]

Breaking the Constitution multiple times, sidestepping Congress, ordering troops to Libya without Congressional approval. . .

high crimes and misdemeanors

he has to commit actual crimes.

Crime: Ordering Troops to Libya without Congressional approval. Stick that in you pipe and smoke it.

[United States of Cascadia]

Source for the first and second, ordering troops to Libya was perfectly constitutional.

Was not. He did not ask Congress for approval. See section 8 of Article I: To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water

THE CONGRESS DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT GETTING PERMISSION FROM THE U.N.!

He didn't declare ware, jut mobilized troops, which happens to be within Presidential power.

[Mithlonde]

Was not. He did not ask Congress for approval. See section 8 of Article I: To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water

THE CONGRESS DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT GETTING PERMISSION FROM THE U.N.!

He didn't declare ware, jut mobilized troops, which happens to be within Presidential power.

Mobilizing them out of the country? Ordering them to fight Gadhaffi is mobilizing them? Since when? I believe that is an act of war. Soooooooo, the Japanese were just mobilizing their troops when they bombed Pearl Harbor? Or Truman was moblizing his troops when he ordered troops to Korea? Or Kennedy was Mobilizing his troops when he ordered troops to Vietnam?

[The Rich Port]

He didn't declare ware, jut mobilized troops, which happens to be within Presidential power.

Mobilizing them out of the country? Ordering them to fight Gadhaffi is mobilizing them? Since when? I believe that is an act of war. Soooooooo, the Japanese were just mobilizing their troops when they bombed Pearl Harbor? Or Truman was moblizing his troops when he ordered troops to Korea? Or Kennedy was Mobilizing his troops when he ordered troops to Vietnam?

It's funny that you mention only these as possibly negative.

What about when George H.W. Bush did it? Or when Bush Jr. did it? Or when Obama tried to pull the fuck out and they called him a coward for it.

[Farnhamia]

Source for the first and second, ordering troops to Libya was perfectly constitutional.

Was not. He did not ask Congress for approval. See section 8 of Article I: To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water

THE CONGRESS DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT GETTING PERMISSION FROM THE U.N.!

The War Powers Resolution of 1973 allows him to do what he did.

[Farnhamia]

He didn't declare ware, jut mobilized troops, which happens to be within Presidential power.

Mobilizing them out of the country? Ordering them to fight Gadhaffi is mobilizing them? Since when? I believe that is an act of war. Soooooooo, the Japanese were just mobilizing their troops when they bombed Pearl Harbor? Or Truman was moblizing his troops when he ordered troops to Korea? Or Kennedy was Mobilizing his troops when he ordered troops to Vietnam?

What ground units were deployed to Libya?

[Mithlonde]

Mobilizing them out of the country? Ordering them to fight Gadhaffi is mobilizing them? Since when? I believe that is an act of war. Soooooooo, the Japanese were just mobilizing their troops when they bombed Pearl Harbor? Or Truman was moblizing his troops when he ordered troops to Korea? Or Kennedy was Mobilizing his troops when he ordered troops to Vietnam?

It's funny that you mention only these as possibly negative.

What about when George H.W. Bush did it? Or when Bush Jr. did it? Or when Obama tried to pull the fuck out and they called him a coward for it.

When you start something, you gotta finish it. The fact is that Obama needs to be impeached for daring to do it. I love veterans, but I can't support wars that have not been constutionally justified.

[Mithlonde]

Was not. He did not ask Congress for approval. See section 8 of Article I: To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water

THE CONGRESS DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT GETTING PERMISSION FROM THE U.N.!

The War Powers Resolution of 1973 allows him to do what he did.

The Supreme Court would have shot that down as unconstitutional in a heartbeat.

[Farnhamia]

The War Powers Resolution of 1973 allows him to do what he did.

The Supreme Court would have shot that down as unconstitutional in a heartbeat.

The Court did no such thing. It's been in force since 1973.

[Neutraligon]

It's funny that you mention only these as possibly negative.

What about when George H.W. Bush did it? Or when Bush Jr. did it? Or when Obama tried to pull the fuck out and they called him a coward for it.

When you start something, you gotta finish it. The fact is that Obama needs to be impeached for daring to do it. I love veterans, but I can't support wars that have not been constutionally justified.

So again, we should have impeached bush for doing the exact same thing...right? This is really basic American government stuff. It's something every American should know. If you haven't been taught it, shame on your school.

[United States of Cascadia]

He didn't declare ware, jut mobilized troops, which happens to be within Presidential power.

Mobilizing them out of the country? Ordering them to fight Gadhaffi is mobilizing them? Since when? I believe that is an act of war. Soooooooo, the Japanese were just mobilizing their troops when they bombed Pearl Harbor? Or Truman was moblizing his troops when he ordered troops to Korea? Or Kennedy was Mobilizing his troops when he ordered troops to Vietnam?

That's how Article 2 Clause 1 had been interpreted since the Korean War. All military actions since WWII have been considered UN peace keeping actions which according to wikipedia, Congress considers legitimate. "Since World War II, every major military action has been technically a U.S. military operation or a U.N. "police action" which are deemed legally legitimate by Congress."

Another example of this type of thing occurring was the Mexican American War, in which Polk sent troops to the new Mexican border where they clashed with the Mexican Army. Korea had no formal declaration of war either, and neither did Vietnam. We're not talking about an unusual occurrence here.

[Ashmoria]

high crimes and misdemeanors

he has to commit actual crimes.

Crime: Ordering Troops to Libya without Congressional approval. Stick that in you pipe and smoke it.

that is not a crime.

[Mithlonde]

Crime: Ordering Troops to Libya without Congressional approval. Stick that in you pipe and smoke it.

that is not a crime.

Crime: Breaking the Commerce Clause. Healthcare is not commerce. Trucking is a commerce.

[Ashmoria]

that is not a crime.

Crime: Breaking the Commerce Clause. Healthcare is not commerce. Trucking is a commerce.

that is not a crime.

why don't you know what crime is?

[Neutraligon]

that is not a crime.

Crime: Breaking the Commerce Clause. Healthcare is not commerce. Trucking is a commerce.

...Umm the SCOTUS has said the ACA is constitutional. What's more, that was a bill passed by congress. Seems a little silly to try and impeach a president for signing a bill passed by congress What's more, it's not a high crime or misdemeanor. At this point you just seem to be throwing darts and trying to see if anything can stick. Also I am still waiting for sources on the ignoring the constitution and bypassing congress thing. I am kinda wondering if you know anything about even the basics of how the American government is supposed to work.

[Anthony Willman]

Crime: Breaking the Commerce Clause. Healthcare is not commerce. Trucking is a commerce.

...Umm the SCOTUS has said the ACA is constitutional. What's more, that was a bill passed by congress. Seems a little silly to try and impeach a president for signing a bill passed by congress What's more, it's not a high crime or misdemeanor. At this point you just seem to be throwing darts and trying to see if anything can stick. Also I am still waiting for sources on the ignoring the constitution and bypassing congress thing. I am kinda wondering if you know anything about even the basics of how the American government is supposed to work.

The commerce clause has to do with taking something from one place to the other. The STATES can make everyone have healthcare, but not the central government.

[Neutraligon]

...Umm the SCOTUS has said the ACA is constitutional. What's more, that was a bill passed by congress. Seems a little silly to try and impeach a president for signing a bill passed by congress What's more, it's not a high crime or misdemeanor. At this point you just seem to be throwing darts and trying to see if anything can stick. Also I am still waiting for sources on the ignoring the constitution and bypassing congress thing. I am kinda wondering if you know anything about even the basics of how the American government is supposed to work.

The commerce clause has to do with taking something from one place to the other. The STATES can make everyone have healthcare, but not the central government.

Not according to SCOTUS. And passing a law, even a law later found to be unconstitutional is not grounds to impeach.

[Ashmoria]

...Umm the SCOTUS has said the ACA is constitutional. What's more, that was a bill passed by congress. Seems a little silly to try and impeach a president for signing a bill passed by congress What's more, it's not a high crime or misdemeanor. At this point you just seem to be throwing darts and trying to see if anything can stick. Also I am still waiting for sources on the ignoring the constitution and bypassing congress thing. I am kinda wondering if you know anything about even the basics of how the American government is supposed to work.

The commerce clause has to do with taking something from one place to the other. The STATES can make everyone have healthcare, but not the central government.

it went to the supreme court. they decided that you are wrong.

[Geilinor]

It's never going to happen.