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Should the President be Impeached?

Yes, Obama is a criminal and has acted unconstitutionally
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19%
No, Obama has done nothing worthy of impeachment
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56%
Maybe, I don't really keep up with politics
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3%
Regardless, it won't happen
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Total votes : 345

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:47 pm

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I like it but I am not sure I want to eat IRS nuts. :shock:
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Postby Couasia » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:47 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:I like it but I am not sure I want to eat IRS nuts. :shock:

Neither do most of the citizenry.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:49 pm

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Doesn't change the fact that the Republican's didn't give a single fuck when Bush established PATRIOT and all that shit.

"Likes stuff" trying to hide the fact that you're liberal. LOL.


No, I'm not. I disagree with a lot of liberals on a lot of points. Nice ad hominem though.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:50 pm

Germanic Imperium wrote:
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Doesn't change the fact that the Republican's didn't give a single fuck when Bush established PATRIOT and all that shit.

"Likes stuff" trying to hide the fact that you're liberal. LOL.

As though liberal would somehow be a "bad" or "dirty" thing.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:52 pm

Biden would become president, and most people would be pretty pissed.

Regardless, Obama won't be impeached. He hasn't done anything that justifies impeachment.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:53 pm

Germanic Imperium wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Doesn't change the fact that the Republican's didn't give a single fuck when Bush established PATRIOT and all that shit.

"Likes stuff" trying to hide the fact that you're liberal. LOL.


So, you could provide a argument, but instead you go "haha, liberal?!" Nice "debate."
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Postby Communal Ecotopia » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:58 pm

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Cu Math wrote:Not a chance. The Senate is the body in charge of the actual trial portion and they're pretty damn blue


There are 45 Republicans and a few blue dog democrats, after November that number could go up or down. Then we're talking about just enough impeach sympathizers to pursue impeachment.


The Blue Dogs in the Senate won't vote to convict...that's political suicide even for a popular guy like Pryor. If Baucus, Bayh, and, especially Breaux, didn't vote to impeach Clinton, these Dems won't. And then you have Republicans like Susan Collins, Mark Kirk, Dean Heller, and, possibly Lisa Murkowski, who would be seriously threatened by a no vote or probably wouldn't ideologically cast one. Murkowski might be on this list appropriately, but she has turned center-ward since her last election.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:02 pm

I feel like I'm the only one who realises that being impeached wouldn't mean that Obama would be removed from office.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:04 pm

Ifreann wrote:I feel like I'm the only one who realises that being impeached wouldn't mean that Obama would be removed from office.


And there's lot of Republicans who believe that proceeding with impeachment will magically erase Obama's presidency as if a Terminator was sent back to cap Baby Barack.
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Postby Silent Majority » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:04 pm

The senate wouldn't convict him, and he'd remain in office.

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Postby Communal Ecotopia » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:12 pm

Ifreann wrote:I feel like I'm the only one who realises that being impeached wouldn't mean that Obama would be removed from office.


You're not. We're using (unintentionally collapsible) language. We know (or at least I do) that the House impeaches (and it might) and the Senate convicts or not (it won't).
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Postby SaintB » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:19 pm

If they can provide sufficient evidence of actual criminal acts the president has performed while in office I'd support it but they have yet to do so and in fact I would go so far as to say that some Republicans should considered criminally negligent in their duty as representatives of the people as they are not doing their jobs.
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Postby Othelos » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:20 pm

I wish they'd focus on running & improving the country, not obama.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:22 pm

Obama and the last ten presidents have done impeachable stuff, but it's nigh impossible to impeach Presidents these days.
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Postby Nansurium » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:31 pm

Do yall know how impeachment works? House Republicans could impeach President Obama today, just like they impeached Bill Clinton back in the 90s. However, the GOP does not have enough votes in the Senate to indict him, so he won't be removed from office. Republicans have to get 60 votes in the Senate to remove him from office. So, at this point, impeachment is a largely meaningless political gesture that would just stir up a storm of controversy.
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Postby Communal Ecotopia » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:35 pm

Nansurium wrote:Do yall know how impeachment works? House Republicans could impeach President Obama today, just like they impeached Bill Clinton back in the 90s. However, the GOP does not have enough votes in the Senate to indict him, so he won't be removed from office. Republicans have to get 60 votes in the Senate to remove him from office. So, at this point, impeachment is a largely meaningless political gesture that would just stir up a storm of controversy.


As I said above, I'm sure we know. We've just unintentionally conflated both pieces of the impeachment process under the term impeachment for the sake of typing simplicity.
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Postby Germanic Imperium » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:35 pm

The Scientific States wrote:Biden would become president, and most people would be pretty pissed.

Regardless, Obama won't be impeached. He hasn't done anything that justifies impeachment.

Except a rather large amount of stuff. Including pissing most of Americans off. (Inb4 "Most americans love Obama, he's the best president ever! he made America free!")
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Postby Communal Ecotopia » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:37 pm

Germanic Imperium wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:Biden would become president, and most people would be pretty pissed.

Regardless, Obama won't be impeached. He hasn't done anything that justifies impeachment.

Except a rather large amount of stuff. Including pissing most of Americans off. (Inb4 "Most americans love Obama, he's the best president ever! he made America free!")


It's possible the NSA spying/PATRIOT Act would qualify, but if Dems didn't do it to Bush, it won't happen now.
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:38 pm

Why don't the Americans introduce votes of no confidence like most of the rest of the world? Then they might be able to get a President who has the support of Congress for a change.
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:38 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Couasia wrote:Obama wiretapped the nation, and routinely hid NSA spying programs from civilians, soooo...


Pssst. NSA has been doing that stuff for a long time.


Have they also negotiated with the Taliban?

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Postby Kelinfort » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:39 pm

Hahahaha...no.

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Postby Communal Ecotopia » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:40 pm

Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Why don't the Americans introduce votes of no confidence like most of the rest of the world? Then they might be able to get a President who has the support of Congress for a change.


Problem is...Congress wouldn't support itself. With two branches under different parties, even as similar as they are, I doubt it would be a short process to find someone acceptable to most.
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Postby Communal Ecotopia » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:41 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Pssst. NSA has been doing that stuff for a long time.


Have they also negotiated with the Taliban?


Well...we fought alongside the Mujaheddin in the 1980s and put them into power.
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Postby Adab » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:43 pm

Even if Obama is impeached, I don't think he can actually be removed from the office, which occurs upon conviction by the Senate - the Democrats (and 2 independent senators who caucus with them) currently hold a majority of seats there.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:54 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:Obama and the last ten presidents have done impeachable stuff, but it's nigh impossible to impeach Presidents these days.

It's certainly tricky to impeach people when their impeachable offences aren't actually impeachable.
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