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Is abortion a right?

abortion is not a right any time.
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in case of rape and/or if the woman's life is threatened.
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yes, up until a certain point in the fetus's development.
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30%
yes, any time while the fetus is still in her body.
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I don't care, leave me alone. lol
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Greater Yisrael
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Postby Greater Yisrael » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:44 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Greater Yisrael wrote:Why/


Because you're most likely faking and it's really obvious that you're faking because you want attention and are therefore derailing the thread again with stupid bullshit.

pLEase stop oppressing me!
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Othelos
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Postby Othelos » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:44 pm

Guys, don't respond to Yisrael.

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Postby Greater Yisrael » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:46 pm

Othelos wrote:Guys, don't respond to Yisrael.

Thanks, In the future I will not respond to Yisrael.
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Postby Othelos » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:46 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I find it so strange when people get up in arms about tax payer money subsidizing abortions. The truth is, those seeking an abortion more often than not, pay for the procedure themselves. There are some charitable organizations that can help with the costs if the person's eligible, but more often than, the person pays, not the state, not the tax payer.

Now, I do believe that if you're paying for your medical insurance, that it should cover the procedure because it is a medical procedure like teeth removals are, or kidney stone surgery is.


I feel medical insurance should pay for abortions. Or in a universal health care system it should be something that is an integral part of it. Mostly because as much as it is optional, it is a therapeutic procedure that can potentially save someone's life.

I agree.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:16 pm

Othelos wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I feel medical insurance should pay for abortions. Or in a universal health care system it should be something that is an integral part of it. Mostly because as much as it is optional, it is a therapeutic procedure that can potentially save someone's life.

I agree.


Absolutely agree too.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:23 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I find it so strange when people get up in arms about tax payer money subsidizing abortions. The truth is, those seeking an abortion more often than not, pay for the procedure themselves. There are some charitable organizations that can help with the costs if the person's eligible, but more often than, the person pays, not the state, not the tax payer.

Now, I do believe that if you're paying for your medical insurance, that it should cover the procedure because it is a medical procedure like teeth removals are, or kidney stone surgery is.


I feel medical insurance should pay for abortions. Or in a universal health care system it should be something that is an integral part of it. Mostly because as much as it is optional, it is a therapeutic procedure that can potentially save someone's life.


Not only that, but it's a vital social function as well.

A child that arrives at the wrong time can wreck lifetimes, it's own included, considering that nobody is capable or willing to take responsibility for it if it comes down to an abortion.

We have enough problems without adding problems because of irrational beliefs about aborting a foetus.
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:25 pm

Greater Yisrael wrote:pLEase stop oppressing me!

Please stop before you get warned for ... oops, too late. *** Warned for threadjacking and spamming ***

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Postby Othelos » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:50 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I feel medical insurance should pay for abortions. Or in a universal health care system it should be something that is an integral part of it. Mostly because as much as it is optional, it is a therapeutic procedure that can potentially save someone's life.


Not only that, but it's a vital social function as well.

A child that arrives at the wrong time can wreck lifetimes, it's own included, considering that nobody is capable or willing to take responsibility for it if it comes down to an abortion.

We have enough problems without adding problems because of irrational beliefs about aborting a foetus.

Yeah. It's much better for a child to be raised under the right circumstances, than for a child to be raised in a sub-par environment.

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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:20 pm

Aodan wrote:
Greater Yisrael wrote:Please stop oppressing me!

baahahhahahaha


I think the word you were looking for is BAWW, but I think that works too.
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James Deans
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Postby James Deans » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:38 pm

I don't give a fuck about abortion. What I care about is my tax dollars subsidizing reckless behavior, you want to ride a bunch of guys? Go ahead, just don't expect me to pay for your stupid choices.

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Erma Kanhato
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Postby Erma Kanhato » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:44 pm

i alread make a abbortion with my girlfriend, and here in my country this is a crime lol

and i make this again if necessary ;)

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Postby Condunum » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:46 pm

James Deans wrote:I don't give a fuck about abortion. What I care about is my tax dollars subsidizing reckless behavior, you want to ride a bunch of guys? Go ahead, just don't expect me to pay for your stupid choices.

Good thing that doesn't happen, huh?

Protip, women who get abortions are not whores, and it'd be nice of you not to act like they are.
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Postby Solocon » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:02 pm

I think that abortion should be allowed up to a certain point in the fetus's development- if a woman is raped or a disorder comes up, don't women have the right? Abortion for "convenience" is not really something I support, but it should be a right if women support it.

That's the other thing: this whole debate involves WOMEN. It does not involve men. I will never need an abortion, nor will any biological male, so we shouldn't really be deciding this issue.

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Postby James Deans » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:02 pm

Condunum wrote:
James Deans wrote:I don't give a fuck about abortion. What I care about is my tax dollars subsidizing reckless behavior, you want to ride a bunch of guys? Go ahead, just don't expect me to pay for your stupid choices.

Good thing that doesn't happen, huh?

Protip, women who get abortions are not whores, and it'd be nice of you not to act like they are.
All of them aren't whores, it still doesn't make their pregnancy my problem. Why should my money go to this? Get all the abortions you want as long as you pay for it yourself.

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Postby Condunum » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:03 pm

James Deans wrote:
Condunum wrote:Good thing that doesn't happen, huh?

Protip, women who get abortions are not whores, and it'd be nice of you not to act like they are.
All of them aren't whores, it still doesn't make their pregnancy my problem. Why should my money go to this? Get all the abortions you want as long as you pay for it yourself.

You speak as though you pay for abortions. You don't.
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Postby Trygg » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:03 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Trygg wrote:What did you say about dinosaurs I mean, I know an average amount about abortion, but can anyone tell me if it's a physically painful experience for the mother or the fetus? Just curious.


The woman is given, if she desires, medication to numb some of the discomfort although some of it still remains. The process is quick.

Thanks, I was too lazy to use google. :p
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:04 pm

Erma Kanhato wrote:i alread make a abbortion with my girlfriend, and here in my country this is a crime lol

and i make this again if necessary ;)

do you have access to contraceptives there?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:04 pm

Trygg wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The woman is given, if she desires, medication to numb some of the discomfort although some of it still remains. The process is quick.

Thanks, I was too lazy to use google. :p


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Postby Condunum » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:05 pm

Solocon wrote:I think that abortion should be allowed up to a certain point in the fetus's development- if a woman is raped or a disorder comes up, don't women have the right? Abortion for "convenience" is not really something I support, but it should be a right if women support it.

That's the other thing: this whole debate involves WOMEN. It does not involve men. I will never need an abortion, nor will any biological male, so we shouldn't really be deciding this issue.

Err... The decision lies solely with the pregnant person. Not even another woman has the right to deny another woman an abortion. The debate is on whether it should be a right, gender doesn't really matter here because no one has more authority on a right because it involves their gender.
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Postby Trygg » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:07 pm

Solocon wrote:I think that abortion should be allowed up to a certain point in the fetus's development- if a woman is raped or a disorder comes up, don't women have the right? Abortion for "convenience" is not really something I support, but it should be a right if women support it.

That's the other thing: this whole debate involves WOMEN. It does not involve men. I will never need an abortion, nor will any biological male, so we shouldn't really be deciding this issue.

We aren't deciding this issue. We are simply sharing our opinions and discussing them.
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:09 pm

Condunum wrote:
James Deans wrote:All of them aren't whores, it still doesn't make their pregnancy my problem. Why should my money go to this? Get all the abortions you want as long as you pay for it yourself.

You speak as though you pay for abortions. You don't.

"My tax dollars" is such a silly phrase. No one individual "owns" any tax dollars.
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Postby James Deans » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:12 pm

If a deadbeat mom can abort, literally kill her children, then it should be fine for a deadbeat dad to walk out on his.

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Postby Solocon » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:13 pm

Condunum wrote:
Solocon wrote:I think that abortion should be allowed up to a certain point in the fetus's development- if a woman is raped or a disorder comes up, don't women have the right? Abortion for "convenience" is not really something I support, but it should be a right if women support it.

That's the other thing: this whole debate involves WOMEN. It does not involve men. I will never need an abortion, nor will any biological male, so we shouldn't really be deciding this issue.

Err... The decision lies solely with the pregnant person. Not even another woman has the right to deny another woman an abortion. The debate is on whether it should be a right, gender doesn't really matter here because no one has more authority on a right because it involves their gender.

Sooo...men should be able to make decisions about topics that don't really concern them...? Sounds perfectly fair.
Trygg wrote:
Solocon wrote:I think that abortion should be allowed up to a certain point in the fetus's development- if a woman is raped or a disorder comes up, don't women have the right? Abortion for "convenience" is not really something I support, but it should be a right if women support it.

That's the other thing: this whole debate involves WOMEN. It does not involve men. I will never need an abortion, nor will any biological male, so we shouldn't really be deciding this issue.

We aren't deciding this issue. We are simply sharing our opinions and discussing them.

And that's fine.

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Postby Condunum » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:13 pm

James Deans wrote:If a deadbeat mom can abort, literally kill her children, then it should be fine for a deadbeat dad to walk out on his.

If he files the proper paperwork within a certain time period after having learned about his child, yes.

Solocon wrote:
Condunum wrote:Err... The decision lies solely with the pregnant person. Not even another woman has the right to deny another woman an abortion. The debate is on whether it should be a right, gender doesn't really matter here because no one has more authority on a right because it involves their gender.

Sooo...men should be able to make decisions about topics that don't really concern them...? Sounds perfectly fair.

Yep.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:18 pm

James Deans wrote:
Condunum wrote:Good thing that doesn't happen, huh?

Protip, women who get abortions are not whores, and it'd be nice of you not to act like they are.
All of them aren't whores, it still doesn't make their pregnancy my problem. Why should my money go to this? Get all the abortions you want as long as you pay for it yourself.


OH NO MY TAX DOLLARS!

Newsflash: those are also my tax dollars and guess what? I can give a fuck less about whether they have an abortion or not, let them have them. This does not make them whores and the fact you think that this is so is disgusting and ill-informed.
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