Abortion: human right?

[Godular]

abortion isn't murder.

Depends on whether you see a fetus as human. I do.

Depends on whether a fetus has any legal rights... it kinda doesn't.

[The Sotoan Union]

Nice fallacy fallacy.

It isn't as I made no claim other than the fact that you were wrong in claiming that being pregnant inevitably leads to birth. My pointing out that you changed your statement is not in and of itself a fallacy. Nice try.

Except that for me to be moving a goal post would mean I would be demanding evidence from you. I wasn't. You are just throwing out fallacies.

[Hakio]

abortion isn't murder.

is it preemptive murder then?

Most women who get abortions do not do it with malice intent....
"Oh god I hate this baby so much. I can't wait to get an abortion... MWAHAHAHAH!!"

[Geilinor]

It isn't as I made no claim other than the fact that you were wrong in claiming that being pregnant inevitably leads to birth. My pointing out that you changed your statement is not in and of itself a fallacy. Nice try.

Except that for me to be moving a goal post would mean I would be demanding evidence from you. I wasn't. You are just throwing out fallacies.

You were demanding evidence. When you post something here, you are asking for someone to come along and try to refute it.

[Othelos]

Depends on whether you see a fetus as human. I do.

Depends on whether a fetus has any legal rights... it kinda doesn't.

abortion is also not illegal, and since murder is only unlawful killing, it isn't murder.

[Boston and Surrounding Provinces]

I personally don't like it, but that shouldn't stop anyone else from doing it.

[New Socialist South Africa]

how do you know it would turn out wonderful? could be the next hitler.

It could, but does that justify murdering it? You know, just in case.

No. The mother is still justified in having it aborted though. I believe this was more a response to the phrase "A fetus would grow into a fully functional and wonderful human being".

[Neutraligon]

It isn't as I made no claim other than the fact that you were wrong in claiming that being pregnant inevitably leads to birth. My pointing out that you changed your statement is not in and of itself a fallacy. Nice try.

Except that for me to be moving a goal post would mean I would be demanding evidence from you. I wasn't. You are just throwing out fallacies.

NO I did not. My statement was simply that by changing from all to some, you moved the goal post. I made no truth claim about it, only that you changed your statement. I had already proved your comment false previously. For it to be a fallacy fallacy, I would have had to make a truth claim. I did not say you are wrong because your statement included a fallacy. Learn the correct usage.

[The Rich Port]

is it preemptive murder then?

Most women who get abortions do not do it with malice intent....
"Oh god I hate this baby so much. I can't wait to get an abortion... MWAHAHAHAH!!"

Or, alternatively, they're usually not angry at it either, so second-degree murder doesn't qualify either.

[The Sotoan Union]

But it's pretty likely. To the point where you can assume a pregnancy will end in a live birth. Technically they always end in a birth.

No you can't again 10-25% of the time it will not end in a live birth.

Yet one fourth of the female population has not had a still birth. These numbers partially come from developed countries. In a developed country, a country where abortions would be more likely to occur, yes the average pregnancy does end in a live birth.

Most births are live births.

[The Rich Port]

No you can't again 10-25% of the time it will not end in a live birth.

Yet one fourth of the female population has not had a still birth. These numbers partially come from developed countries. In a developed country, a country where abortions would be more likely to occur, yes the average pregnancy does end in a live birth.

Most births are live births.

I'm sure my cousin's wife, who just had a miscarriage, will find that real comforting.

[The Sotoan Union]

Except that for me to be moving a goal post would mean I would be demanding evidence from you. I wasn't. You are just throwing out fallacies.

NO I did not. My statement was simply that by changing from all to some, you moved the goal post. I made no truth claim about it, only that you changed your statement. I had already proved your comment false previously. For it to be a fallacy fallacy, I would have had to make a truth claim. I did not say you are wrong because your statement included a fallacy. Learn the correct usage.

And all arguments end in a subjective debate on fallacies. Want to get back to the point?

[Othelos]

No you can't again 10-25% of the time it will not end in a live birth.

Yet one fourth of the female population has not had a still birth. These numbers partially come from developed countries. In a developed country, a country where abortions would be more likely to occur, yes the average pregnancy does end in a live birth.

Most births are live births.

you said it will inevitably end in life. not so. there's always a chance that the fetus could die, however small.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Abortion IS a human right!!! The ones that are against it are fascists, anti-women-rights, in-humane and basically moral degenerates. Life is holy - but in the US it can be - amongst the faaaaar right - morally right to kill people that help women that are about to through an abortion??!!! Life is NOT conception - that would mean that an egg or sperm is liofe as well... STUPIDITY!!

This right there? That's flaming. Take an unofficial warning and read the rules before continuing to post.

[The Sotoan Union]

Yet one fourth of the female population has not had a still birth. These numbers partially come from developed countries. In a developed country, a country where abortions would be more likely to occur, yes the average pregnancy does end in a live birth.

Most births are live births.

I'm sure my cousin's wife, who just had a miscarriage, will find that real comforting.

Of course it happens. My argument is that's it not going to happen to the average person.

[The Sotoan Union]

Yet one fourth of the female population has not had a still birth. These numbers partially come from developed countries. In a developed country, a country where abortions would be more likely to occur, yes the average pregnancy does end in a live birth.

Most births are live births.

you said it will inevitably end in life. not so. there's always a chance that the fetus could die, however small.

I said birth.

[Anarcho-Industryland]

[quote=Geilimor;post=21116468

how do you know it would turn out wonderful? could be the next hitler.

It could, but does that justify murdering it? You know, just in case.

So, clearly you're not an actual anarchist, because an actual anarchist would not wait "just in case". Rational, decent people wait until they have a goddamn good reason to deprive an individual of their rights and their choices.[/quote]

It was sarcasm. I'm not going to perform an abortion because a baby COULD be evil.

[The Rich Port]

Yet one fourth of the female population has not had a still birth. These numbers partially come from developed countries. In a developed country, a country where abortions would be more likely to occur, yes the average pregnancy does end in a live birth.

Most births are live births.

you said it will inevitably end in life. not so. there's always a chance that the fetus could die, however small.

Hell, that's a rather hefty small chance.

It's not like it's 5% or something like that.

I'm sure my cousin's wife, who just had a miscarriage, will find that real comforting.

Of course it happens. My argument is that's it not going to happen to the average person.

She's not average, then?

She some kind of weirdo?

Because her womb was not proper for a child?

[The Black Forrest]

No you can't again 10-25% of the time it will not end in a live birth.

Yet one fourth of the female population has not had a still birth. These numbers partially come from developed countries. In a developed country, a country where abortions would be more likely to occur, yes the average pregnancy does end in a live birth.

Most births are live births.

It's still not a guarantee. My mom will tell you that. She estimated she was involved with over 40000 births......

[Neutraligon]

No you can't again 10-25% of the time it will not end in a live birth.

Yet one fourth of the female population has not had a still birth. These numbers partially come from developed countries. In a developed country, a country where abortions would be more likely to occur, yes the average pregnancy does end in a live birth.

Most births are live births.

To the underlined, so? A miscarriage is not just a still birth, most miscarriages occur very early in the pregnancy, sometimes before the woman is even knows she is pregnant.

[Othelos]

you said it will inevitably end in life. not so. there's always a chance that the fetus could die, however small.

I said birth.

What?

How can a fetus be non-human if it becomes a human is what I meant. I mean you can say it isn't a living thing, but its going to inevitably become one.

[Neutraligon]

NO I did not. My statement was simply that by changing from all to some, you moved the goal post. I made no truth claim about it, only that you changed your statement. I had already proved your comment false previously. For it to be a fallacy fallacy, I would have had to make a truth claim. I did not say you are wrong because your statement included a fallacy. Learn the correct usage.

And all arguments end in a subjective debate on fallacies. Want to get back to the point?

That you are wrong?

[Hakio]

My mom will tell you that. She estimated she was involved with over 40000 births......

Wow! You must have a lot of brothers and sisters!

[The Sotoan Union]

I said birth.

How can a fetus be non-human if it becomes a human is what I meant. I mean you can say it isn't a living thing, but its going to inevitably become one.

Well that's wrong in this context. But I said birth in a later statement.

[The Sotoan Union]

And all arguments end in a subjective debate on fallacies. Want to get back to the point?

That you are wrong?

From your point of view on something that has devolved from the thread topic.