Abortion: human right?

by **The Sotoan Union** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:48 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Still plenty of people who go through life without having one.

Nice moving the goal posts.

Nice fallacy fallacy.

by **The Serbian Empire** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:49 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Nice moving the goal posts.

Nice fallacy fallacy.

Double fallacy, is that like a double rainbow?

by **Hakio** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:49 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
The 502nd SS wrote:or he could be Gandhi

Yeah, the chances of that happening are like 1 in 1,000,000. Chances he'll be an asshole are like 1 in 100.

There's a lot more assholes in the world than 1 in 100. I'd love to see you back up that speculative statistic.

by **Anarcho-Industryland** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:50 pm

Othelos wrote:
Anarcho-Industryland wrote:
Obviously, a human body is more important than that of a tapeworm, which is literally a parasite. A fetus would grow into a fully functional and wonderful human being.

how do you know it would turn out wonderful? could be the next hitler.

It could, but does that justify murdering it? You know, just in case.

by **The Sotoan Union** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:50 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Nice fallacy fallacy.

Double fallacy, is that like a double rainbow?

Not on this site.

by **Othelos** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:50 pm

Anarcho-Industryland wrote:
Othelos wrote:how do you know it would turn out wonderful? could be the next hitler.

It could, but does that justify murdering it? You know, just in case.

abortion isn't murder.

by **The 502nd SS** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:50 pm

Hakio wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Yeah, the chances of that happening are like 1 in 1,000,000. Chances he'll be an asshole are like 1 in 100.

There's a lot more assholes in the world than 1 in 100. I'd love to see you back up that speculative statistic.

They should still have the chance to live

by **Othelos** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:50 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Nice moving the goal posts.

Nice fallacy fallacy.

having a live birth with the baby turning out healthy isn't a guarantee from getting pregnant. That was the point we were trying to make.

by **Anarcho-Industryland** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:51 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Nice fallacy fallacy.

Double fallacy, is that like a double rainbow?

Inception!

by **Neutraligon** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:51 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Nice moving the goal posts.

Nice fallacy fallacy.

It isn't as I made no claim other than the fact that you were wrong in claiming that being pregnant inevitably leads to birth. My pointing out that you changed your statement is not in and of itself a fallacy. Nice try.

by **Othelos** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:51 pm

The 502nd SS wrote:
Hakio wrote:There's a lot more assholes in the world than 1 in 100. I'd love to see you back up that speculative statistic.

They should still have the chance to live

if the mother consents, yes.

by **Hakio** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:51 pm

Anarcho-Industryland wrote:
Othelos wrote:how do you know it would turn out wonderful? could be the next hitler.

It could, but does that justify murdering it? You know, just in case.

It's not murder, it's abortion. Murder is the malicious ending of a person's life. You using that terminology to describe abortions is appealing to emotion and poisoning the well.

by **The Serbian Empire** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:51 pm

Hakio wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Yeah, the chances of that happening are like 1 in 1,000,000. Chances he'll be an asshole are like 1 in 100.

There's a lot more assholes in the world than 1 in 100. I'd love to see you back up that speculative statistic.

Enough assholes in the world to justify abortions. The last thing the world needs is more assholes.

by **Geilinor** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:52 pm

Anarcho-Industryland wrote:
Othelos wrote:how do you know it would turn out wonderful? could be the next hitler.

It could, but does that justify murdering it? You know, just in case.

The definition of murder is illegal killing with malice aforethought. Women who get abortions do not do so with hatred or dislike of the fetus.

by **New Socialist South Africa** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:52 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Or he could be Pol Pot.

Or he could be joe schmoe like 99% of people.

What we have essentially established here is that the baby will not necessarily grow up to be a "wonderful human being". It is possible he or she will, but certainly not true of every, or indeed even the majority, of cases.

by **Anarcho-Industryland** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:52 pm

Othelos wrote:
Anarcho-Industryland wrote:
It could, but does that justify murdering it? You know, just in case.

abortion isn't murder.

Depends on whether you see a fetus as human. I do.

by **The Sotoan Union** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:52 pm

Othelos wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Nice fallacy fallacy.

having a live birth with the baby turning out healthy isn't a guarantee from getting pregnant. That was the point we were trying to make.

But it's pretty likely. To the point where you can assume a pregnancy will end in a live birth. Technically they always end in a birth.

by **Camelza** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:52 pm

It is, every developed human individual should be in full control of his/her body.
/Eggs are not chicken.

by **The 502nd SS** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:52 pm

Othelos wrote:
Anarcho-Industryland wrote:
It could, but does that justify murdering it? You know, just in case.

abortion isn't murder.

is it preemptive murder then?

by **Geilinor** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:52 pm

Anarcho-Industryland wrote:
Othelos wrote:abortion isn't murder.

Depends on whether you see a fetus as human. I do.

The definition of murder is not "killing a human".

by **Hakio** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:52 pm

The 502nd SS wrote:
Hakio wrote:There's a lot more assholes in the world than 1 in 100. I'd love to see you back up that speculative statistic.

They should still have the chance to live

I never said they deserved to die. All I'm saying is that there being so many idiots in the world I don't mourn over possible assholes not getting born into existence.

by **The Rich Port** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:52 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Nice moving the goal posts.

Nice fallacy fallacy.

An argument from fallacy requires an argument being logically stable despite a fallacy. Your argument sucks shit, with our without your moving the goal posts. Your moving the goal posts is just icing on your shit cake.

Hakio wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Yeah, the chances of that happening are like 1 in 1,000,000. Chances he'll be an asshole are like 1 in 100.

There's a lot more assholes in the world than 1 in 100. I'd love to see you back up that speculative statistic.

Hey, I lowballed it just to be generous.

Anarcho-Industryland wrote:
Othelos wrote:how do you know it would turn out wonderful? could be the next hitler.

It could, but does that justify murdering it? You know, just in case.

So, clearly you're not an actual anarchist, because an actual anarchist would not wait "just in case". Rational, decent people wait until they have a goddamn good reason to deprive an individual of their rights and their choices.

by **The Black Forrest** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:52 pm

Anarcho-Industryland wrote:
Othelos wrote:abortion isn't murder.

Depends on whether you see a fetus as human. I do.

Ahh. So do you want miscarriages investigated?

by **Othelos** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:52 pm

The 502nd SS wrote:
Othelos wrote:abortion isn't murder.

is it preemptive murder then?

Anarcho-Industryland wrote:
Othelos wrote:abortion isn't murder.

Depends on whether you see a fetus as human. I do.

murder - the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

source: google. abortion isn't illegal, so it ain't illegal killing.

by **Neutraligon** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:53 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Othelos wrote:having a live birth with the baby turning out healthy isn't a guarantee from getting pregnant. That was the point we were trying to make.

But it's pretty likely. To the point where you can assume a pregnancy will end in a live birth. Technically they always end in a birth.

No you can't again 10-25% of the time it will not end in a live birth.

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