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by Tsa-la-gi Nation » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:41 pm
by The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:48 pm
Faith Hope Charity wrote:I personally find the coverage of this incident to be sexist. Jump all over the guy when they are both obviously assaulting each other.
Stupid woman should've known ahead of time not to start a physical fight with a professional athlete.
It seems like she was using her size and sex to assume he wouldn't react, and she was wrong, and got the bad end of it.. at first. Now they are both screwed, more out of public pressure.. which, honestly, isnt any of our business.
They obviously worked it out and got married. Maybe they both learned something from this experience.
by Vitaphone Racing » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:53 pm
Parhe wrote:Guess what, maybe you don't know what it is like to be Asian.
by The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:58 pm
Vitaphone Racing wrote:Geilinor wrote:If he's going to earn a living, it shouldn't be in the NFL.
Bullshit. He committed a crime, he sought counselling, he's going to pay the price for it, he even sorted things out with his partner. Why should someone be punished for what they did long after they get their life back on track? Honestly, if we're going to treat him as a criminal, wife-beating thug for the rest of his life, we may as well just keep him locked up.
by Vitaphone Racing » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:59 pm
Ashmoria wrote:his wife needs to smarten up and get out while she can.
Parhe wrote:Guess what, maybe you don't know what it is like to be Asian.
by The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:01 pm
by Vitaphone Racing » Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:02 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Vitaphone Racing wrote:Bullshit. He committed a crime, he sought counselling, he's going to pay the price for it, he even sorted things out with his partner. Why should someone be punished for what they did long after they get their life back on track? Honestly, if we're going to treat him as a criminal, wife-beating thug for the rest of his life, we may as well just keep him locked up.
So? It was just a joke sorry man is all that is needed?
Abusive people tend to need counseling for a long time. It was obviously not working when he laid her out. It was not working when he decided to drag out away. I kind of get the impression he would have no problem picking her up.
The fact he is a football player doesn't deserve special treatment. He should be punished like everybody else in his state. If the franchise or the league tried to cover it, they should be punished as well.
Parhe wrote:Guess what, maybe you don't know what it is like to be Asian.
by Paketo » Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:04 pm
by The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:11 pm
Paketo wrote:https://cbswashington.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/rice-screenshot.jpg
As I have not seen it on this thread yet, I would like to point out what Ray Rice's wife posted on Instagram. It seems really that they had worked out the incident between themselves and the public outcry after this event came to light has ruined both their lives.
by The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:00 am
by Ashmoria » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:41 am
by The Zionist Nation » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:43 am
by Faith Hope Charity » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:31 am
The Black Forrest wrote:Faith Hope Charity wrote:I personally find the coverage of this incident to be sexist. Jump all over the guy when they are both obviously assaulting each other.
Stupid woman should've known ahead of time not to start a physical fight with a professional athlete.
It seems like she was using her size and sex to assume he wouldn't react, and she was wrong, and got the bad end of it.. at first. Now they are both screwed, more out of public pressure.. which, honestly, isnt any of our business.
They obviously worked it out and got married. Maybe they both learned something from this experience.
Ok. We accept you know next to nothing on the matters of abuse and it's effects....
by Kelinfort » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:49 am
Faith Hope Charity wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Ok. We accept you know next to nothing on the matters of abuse and it's effects....
Its more like, only you think male to female abuse matters... and its effects, it goes both ways, as seen here. There is obvious female to male abuse as well, you just choose not to see it because it is politically incorrect to do so, and you sir, are sexist because of it.
by The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:19 am
Faith Hope Charity wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Ok. We accept you know next to nothing on the matters of abuse and it's effects....
Its more like, only you think male to female abuse matters... and its effects, it goes both ways, as seen here. There is obvious female to male abuse as well, you just choose not to see it because it is politically incorrect to do so, and you sir, are sexist because of it.
by Tahar Joblis » Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:41 am
The Black Forrest wrote:Faith Hope Charity wrote:
Its more like, only you think male to female abuse matters... and its effects, it goes both ways, as seen here. There is obvious female to male abuse as well, you just choose not to see it because it is politically incorrect to do so, and you sir, are sexist because of it.
An odd way of thinking. You know next to nothing on the matter translates to me saying only male on female violence matters. Strange.
Female on Male violence happens sure. The problem is people who basically argue the "bitch asked for it" bring it up as the number of incidents are equal. They are not. 85% of domestic violence victims are women.
by The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:09 am
Tahar Joblis wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
An odd way of thinking. You know next to nothing on the matter translates to me saying only male on female violence matters. Strange.
Female on Male violence happens sure. The problem is people who basically argue the "bitch asked for it" bring it up as the number of incidents are equal. They are not. 85% of domestic violence victims are women.
That depends on what sources you use and how you analyze them. The figure you use happens to be highly suspect. There are several major methodological issues, including that women and men code incidents differently both as victims and as perpetrators, disparities between long-term and short-term rate measurements, et cetera.
In general, as you control for the methodological issues, it becomes clear that:
1. Women engage in non-reciprocated violence against a male partner about twice as often as men do against a female partner.
2. Women are injured by a male partner about twice as often as men are injured by a female partner.
3. Women initiate or escalate violence against a male partner no less often - in most studies more often - than men do against a female partner.
This is particularly clear once you examine abuse rates in homosexual partnerships, which turn out to be quite similar to the rates in heterosexual partnerships. See here. It is of particular note that lesbians often report higher levels of victimization and perpetration, as in that article, but that this difference goes away after you introduce some controls, as in that article.
What this tells us is that women are, if anything, more likely to be physically abusive towards a partner; they are vulnerable to injury, but this is thanks to the unfavorable balance of size and strength rather than any lack of aggressive behavior.
Do not present the bullshit myth that domestic violence is a male-on-female problem. I suspect your figure comes from arrest rates... which reflects only that police actions are biased against men, not that men are more violent towards female partners than women are towards male partners.
by Gauthier » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:45 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Tahar Joblis wrote:That depends on what sources you use and how you analyze them. The figure you use happens to be highly suspect. There are several major methodological issues, including that women and men code incidents differently both as victims and as perpetrators, disparities between long-term and short-term rate measurements, et cetera.
In general, as you control for the methodological issues, it becomes clear that:
1. Women engage in non-reciprocated violence against a male partner about twice as often as men do against a female partner.
2. Women are injured by a male partner about twice as often as men are injured by a female partner.
3. Women initiate or escalate violence against a male partner no less often - in most studies more often - than men do against a female partner.
This is particularly clear once you examine abuse rates in homosexual partnerships, which turn out to be quite similar to the rates in heterosexual partnerships. See here. It is of particular note that lesbians often report higher levels of victimization and perpetration, as in that article, but that this difference goes away after you introduce some controls, as in that article.
What this tells us is that women are, if anything, more likely to be physically abusive towards a partner; they are vulnerable to injury, but this is thanks to the unfavorable balance of size and strength rather than any lack of aggressive behavior.
Do not present the bullshit myth that domestic violence is a male-on-female problem. I suspect your figure comes from arrest rates... which reflects only that police actions are biased against men, not that men are more violent towards female partners than women are towards male partners.
At least you are consistent.
I will start supporting your quixotic crusade of showing men are getting abused, assaulted, and killed by women at the same frequency or probably in your mind much more....probably when the biased police reports and the baised domestic violence groups start reporting it.
by Tahar Joblis » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:50 pm
The Black Forrest wrote::D At least you are consistent.
I will start supporting your quixotic crusade of showing men are getting abused, assaulted, and killed by women at the same frequency or probably in your mind much more....probably when the biased police reports and the baised domestic violence groups start reporting it.
by The Rich Port » Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:33 am
Gauthier wrote:The Rich Port wrote:I never thought the fanbase would also tolerate this kind of shit, but a local radio DJ outright said "If a player fucks up, we should protect him from crime because the games matter more," and a whole bunch of idiots called in supporting the player.
It's obscene.
He should go straight to jail and football fans should wake the fuck up.
If I was there and heard that I'd have been tempted to call in on the show and repeatedly chant "Penn State".
by Gauthier » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:12 pm
The Rich Port wrote:Gauthier wrote:
If I was there and heard that I'd have been tempted to call in on the show and repeatedly chant "Penn State".
You know what's sad?
Plenty of people I know wanted to defend that scumbag coach AND the school for letting it happen. Why? 'Cuz football.
FUCK football. It apparently turns people into paedophile enablers.
by The Rich Port » Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:12 pm
Gauthier wrote:The Rich Port wrote:
You know what's sad?
Plenty of people I know wanted to defend that scumbag coach AND the school for letting it happen. Why? 'Cuz football.
FUCK football. It apparently turns people into paedophile enablers.
"For the small contribution of one virgin boy's anus every month..."
by Waideland » Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:15 am
by The Rich Port » Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:45 am
Waideland wrote:You know what I find even sadder? A man who punched someone in the face in a moment of poor judgment during a heated argument that didn't result in any permanent injury or death gets more attention than:
1) The Dallas Cowboys player that killed his friend while driving drunk last year, and who by the way, is already back in the league without losing his contract, and after serving a shorter suspension than Rice.
2) The Eagles QB that tortured and killed dogs for many years, in much the same fashion that serial killers tend to do before they switch to humans.
3) The Patriots TE currently being held without bail for two execution-style murders, and suspected of several more.
4) The "other guy" in the league accused of domestic violence, but since there's no Tosh.0 style video tape, no one cares.
5) Pre-emptively, Adrian Peterson's child abuse charges. Sure it's in the news now since the story literally just broke, but in three days, it'll go away, and we'll be back to the the earth's greatest villain, Ray Rice.
I guess the lesson to be learned here is that Rice would have been better off getting drunk and having his wife in the passenger seat of his car while he hit a tree a tree at 80 mph, rather than getting drunk and hitting her.
by Divitaen » Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:53 am
Tahar Joblis wrote:The Black Forrest wrote::D At least you are consistent.
I will start supporting your quixotic crusade of showing men are getting abused, assaulted, and killed by women at the same frequency or probably in your mind much more....probably when the biased police reports and the baised domestic violence groups start reporting it.
What you're doing right now is quite similar to claiming that blacks are inherently violent because black men are roughly seven times as likely to be incarcerated at any given point in their lives. That is to say, you're pointing to the behavior of the criminal justice system in order to advance a discriminatory claim.
You are also ignoring a very large body of science. Some domestic violence advocacy groups recognize that abuse of men by women is under-recognized, under-reported, and largely going unaddressed. Others are in denial. This is not unusual, because some of them, like you, are dominated by highly sexist views.
It is well documented that male victims of domestic violence neither expect nor receive the same degree of remedy from the police that female victims of domestic violence receive; and that bystanders, witnesses, police, etc are far more likely to intervene on behalf of women. E.g.:
http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 012-9482-9
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 156.x/full
There is an enormous body of literature showing that male victims are not seeking out and receiving police help. It's widely believed (and with good cause) that domestic violence victims stand a non-trivial chance of being arrested, and this is particularly true of men, to the point where a male victim is more likely to be arrested than a female perpetrator.
A large systematic overview of extant scientific literature was conducted beginning in 2010. It says much the same as I'm telling your right now. Yes, including the parts about the criminal justice system treating men and women differently at every step of the way.
The idea that domestic violence is a male-on-female problem is also consistently undermined by gay and lesbian partnerships, as I pointed out.
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