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by Tekania » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:22 pm
Refora wrote:How is an elderly man capable of killing, killing I say an intruder . He may have been worried but killing please. GUILTY AS CHARGED.
by Imperializt Russia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:42 am
The 502nd SS wrote:Rephesus wrote:I'd go far enough to say it can be interpreted that he my believe unborn fetus' have a greater 'right to life' than a Criminal.
I feel that they deserve the chance to contribute to the world
Who knows how many potential world leaders have been murdered, or future scientist that would cure HIV or cancer.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Ucropi » Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:01 am
by Liberaxia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:09 am
Distruzio wrote:The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Assault does not justify killing after the fact. The killing happened after the assault when the perpetrator was no longer a threat. Therefore, self defense doesn't come into it.
Actually, it does justify killing after the fact. Can you killing during the fact when bones are broken and two people are assaulting you? Self-defense absolutely applies. Saying it doesn't because it's inconvenient for your argument doesn't make your argument correct, Fris.
by Liberaxia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:13 am
by The 502nd SS » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:22 am
by The 502nd SS » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:22 am
Ucropi wrote:Old man is a murderer and should be charged as such. Either second degree murder or manslaughter.
by The 502nd SS » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:24 am
by Farnhamia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:26 am
by The 502nd SS » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:28 am
by The 502nd SS » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:28 am
by Ucropi » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:29 am
The 502nd SS wrote:Farnhamia wrote:Ture, but the argument here is over the question of shooting a fleeing robber. You do not deny that the woman killed was running away, do you? And that, by his own admission, Greer "shot her anyway"?
Doesn't matter that she was running, they still robbed and assaulted him
by Xeng He » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:31 am
Distruzio wrote:
Suppose she raised her fist to hit him after having already kicked and beaten him. Suppose that while swinging her fist towards her nose she then stopped short of making physical contact with his nose. Does she now, having not made physical contact with his nose, pose no threat to his health and safety since she stopped short of punching him once last time?
Blazedtown wrote:[an ism is] A term used by people who won't admit their true beliefs, or don't have any.
by The 502nd SS » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:32 am
by Ucropi » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:34 am
by Ifreann » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:35 am
The 502nd SS wrote:Farnhamia wrote:Ture, but the argument here is over the question of shooting a fleeing robber. You do not deny that the woman killed was running away, do you? And that, by his own admission, Greer "shot her anyway"?
Doesn't matter that she was running, they still robbed and assaulted him
by The 502nd SS » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:36 am
by Ucropi » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:38 am
by The 502nd SS » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:38 am
by Ifreann » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:40 am
Ucropi wrote:Sdaeriji wrote:
First degree requires a level of premeditation that isn't possible in the literal seconds that likely elapsed between the initial attack the shooting. You were right the first time.
For premeditation to exist all he would have to do is "rationally consider the timing or method", so if he had to leave the room to find his gun, which I'm assuming as a gun owner he had locked in a gun safe without ammo stored in it, that would give him the time to consider things.
by Farnhamia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:40 am
The 502nd SS wrote:Ifreann wrote:Being robbed does not give you a free pass to kill the person who robbed you whenever you want.
Perhaps you would.
But being horribly beaten and robbed and then killing the person seconds or a minute or two afterwards is a different case where it should be perfectly legal to do so.
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