Old Man Kills Intruder

[Soselo]

The old man and intruder are wrong but the intruder is worse as they belittled this poor old man and ruined her and her child's life. Nobody can be punished that should be here.

[New Acardia]

If the thug bitch did not break in to Mr. Greer's house.
The thug bitch would not got her thug ass killed in the first plac.

Andrea Miller. That's the name of the dead person.

And you're right, if she hadn't broken into the place then she would probably be alive. But the question is whether Mr. Greer killed her legally. I don't believe that he did.

To me she is just a thug bitch . That prayed on the wrong person and got her thug ass taken out .

[Tekania]

Castle Doctrine does exist in Cali, I believe the code is 198.5 (I know it's in the 190's)..... though this incident falls just outside of it, technically, from my reading of it earlier. Not that it makes much difference. I doubt the charges will actually be filed come Monday, and even if they are I'm absolutely certain that the result would just be a mistrial, and after Polling the DA would chose just not to refile.

Doubtful, he already confessed. Most likely he'll get a plea deal.

What is doubtful? A confession won't do the DA any good when it is certain there will be people on the jury who would ultimately sympathize with Mr. Greer. I seriously doubt Mr. Greer's counsel would advise him to accept a plea deal. I mean, don't get me wrong.... I personally would vote to convict based on the information I have at this point, I just know that whatever 12 people end up on that jury, at least 2-3 of them (and possible even more) would keep the jury in deadlock and result in a mistrial.

[Fartsniffage]

Andrea Miller. That's the name of the dead person.

And you're right, if she hadn't broken into the place then she would probably be alive. But the question is whether Mr. Greer killed her legally. I don't believe that he did.

To me she is just a thug bitch . That prayed on the wrong person and got her thug ass taken out .

And that's a valid opinion that should be argued down. But I have no interest in talking to you any more.

[Soselo]

To me she is just a thug bitch . That prayed on the wrong person and got her thug ass taken out .

And that's a valid opinion that should be argued down. But I have no interest in talking to you any more.

I have an opinion.

[Tekania]

Castle Doctrine does exist in Cali, I believe the code is 198.5 (I know it's in the 190's)..... though this incident falls just outside of it, technically, from my reading of it earlier. Not that it makes much difference. I doubt the charges will actually be filed come Monday, and even if they are I'm absolutely certain that the result would just be a mistrial, and after Polling the DA would chose just not to refile.

I'm sorry, but you're ex-military. So am I.

Can you really condone in any way the shooting of someone running away and begging for their life?

Me, personally? No.... some can and will. And pulling 12 random people you will not end up with 12 who will all think the same on this, and 2-3 will sympathize with Mr. Greer.... they will not budge, the jury would deadlock and you end up with a mistrial. Might not be officially "losing" the case..... but for all intents and purposes it will be.

[Liriena]

Good for him. The assholes beat and robbed an elderly man.

And in return he murdered one of them while she was escaping and pleading for her life.

Yeah, good for him.

[Fartsniffage]

And that's a valid opinion that should be argued down. But I have no interest in talking to you any more.

I have an opinion.

Well done.

[Infected Mushroom]

Doubtful, he already confessed. Most likely he'll get a plea deal.

What is doubtful? A confession won't do the DA any good when it is certain there will be people on the jury who would ultimately sympathize with Mr. Greer. I seriously doubt Mr. Greer's counsel would advise him to accept a plea deal. I mean, don't get me wrong.... I personally would vote to convict based on the information I have at this point, I just know that whatever 12 people end up on that jury, at least 2-3 of them (and possible even more) would keep the jury in deadlock and result in a mistrial.

I truly hope you are right. The poor old man doesn't deserve to be re-victimized and jailed. If I were on the jury I would feel it's my duty to acquit. It's what my conscience would say.

[Fartsniffage]

I'm sorry, but you're ex-military. So am I.

Can you really condone in any way the shooting of someone running away and begging for their life?

Me, personally? No.... some can and will. And pulling 12 random people you will not end up with 12 who will all think the same on this, and 2-3 will sympathize with Mr. Greer.... they will not budge, the jury would deadlock and you end up with a mistrial. Might not be officially "losing" the case..... but for all intents and purposes it will be.

And that is a problem. Even if that is the case then I'd still be in favour of a trial taking place. At least the state can inconvenience the chap.

[Fartsniffage]

What is doubtful? A confession won't do the DA any good when it is certain there will be people on the jury who would ultimately sympathize with Mr. Greer. I seriously doubt Mr. Greer's counsel would advise him to accept a plea deal. I mean, don't get me wrong.... I personally would vote to convict based on the information I have at this point, I just know that whatever 12 people end up on that jury, at least 2-3 of them (and possible even more) would keep the jury in deadlock and result in a mistrial.

I truly hope you are right. The poor old man doesn't deserve to be re-victimized and jailed. If I were on the jury I would feel it's my duty to acquit. It's what my conscience would say.

Regardless of the law? I thought you claimed to be a law student at one point....

[Soselo]

I have an opinion.

Well done.

I didn't think we'd make it so far but I couldn't have done it without you. You're rather special.

[New Acardia]

And that's a valid opinion that should be argued down. But I have no interest in talking to you any more.

I have an opinion.

And what's your opinion ? May I ask

[Infected Mushroom]

Me, personally? No.... some can and will. And pulling 12 random people you will not end up with 12 who will all think the same on this, and 2-3 will sympathize with Mr. Greer.... they will not budge, the jury would deadlock and you end up with a mistrial. Might not be officially "losing" the case..... but for all intents and purposes it will be.

And that is a problem. Even if that is the case then I'd still be in favour of a trial taking place. At least the state can inconvenience the chap.

I should hope the state has better things to do then to inconvenience people over the letter of the law. It's the broader spirit of Justice they should be concerned about.

The old man is completely sympathetic here. And if the previous poster is right, the jury won't nail. The DA won't waste his time; especially when the old man isn't even a real bad guy.

[Gauthier]

I truly hope you are right. The poor old man doesn't deserve to be re-victimized and jailed. If I were on the jury I would feel it's my duty to acquit. It's what my conscience would say.

Regardless of the law? I thought you claimed to be a law student at one point....

He also wants to legalize honor killings. There you have it.

[Geilinor]

And that is a problem. Even if that is the case then I'd still be in favour of a trial taking place. At least the state can inconvenience the chap.

I should hope the state has better things to do then to inconvenience people over the letter of the law. It's the broader spirit of Justice they should be concerned about.

The old man is completely sympathetic here. And if the previous poster is right, the jury won't nail. The DA won't waste his time; especially when the old man isn't even a real bad guy.

Courts enforce the law, not your mythical spirit of justice.

[Arabic Spain]

Yay?

[Soselo]

I truly hope you are right. The poor old man doesn't deserve to be re-victimized and jailed. If I were on the jury I would feel it's my duty to acquit. It's what my conscience would say.

Regardless of the law? I thought you claimed to be a law student at one point....

Considerations of conscience outweigh authoritarianism when the values up to test are more consistent.

[Scomagia]

Yay?

Nay.

[Arabic Spain]

Yay?

Nay.

Kay

[Fartsniffage]

Regardless of the law? I thought you claimed to be a law student at one point....

Considerations of conscience outweigh authoritarianism when the values up to test are more consistent.

Try to speak a little louder, I'm slightly deaf in my right ear.

[Korouse]

The old man and intruder are wrong but the intruder is worse as they belittled this poor old man and ruined her and her child's life. Nobody can be punished that should be here.

Loooool

I suggest you read the whole thing, as she was trying to get out of punishment and manipulating the old man into thinking she was pregnant.

[Infected Mushroom]

I truly hope you are right. The poor old man doesn't deserve to be re-victimized and jailed. If I were on the jury I would feel it's my duty to acquit. It's what my conscience would say.

Regardless of the law? I thought you claimed to be a law student at one point....

Sometimes following the law too rigidly means having endless sleepless nights. Sometimes the law is plain wrong; sometimes rigid application of the law leads to the victimization of good people. I have a higher duty to Justice, the Law does too.

I think it's wrong to put an old man who has been victimized by assault, robbery and trespass and who suffered physical injury in jail. He was just taking out his attackers.

The good thing about the law is that I'm always free to interpret it my way. I'll just take some technicality, read it in a novel way, and get the old man off. That's legal reasoning for you.

[Fartsniffage]

And that is a problem. Even if that is the case then I'd still be in favour of a trial taking place. At least the state can inconvenience the chap.

I should hope the state has better things to do then to inconvenience people over the letter of the law. It's the broader spirit of Justice they should be concerned about.

The old man is completely sympathetic here. And if the previous poster is right, the jury won't nail. The DA won't waste his time; especially when the old man isn't even a real bad guy.

The old man my be completely sympathetic, but he did shoot to death another person. A court of law considering his justifications isn't totally out of line is it?

[Soselo]

I have an opinion.

And what's your opinion ? May I ask

The grandfather was wrong but more justifiable in acting