Fur Clothing

[Communal Earth]

Fur clothing used to be considered a popular and well accepted form of clothing and it also helped the economy in countries where they had large populations of animals that produce quality fur for clothing. Modernly, however, is fur clothing really necessary? Many modern countries still produce fur clothing even though we have developed synthetic fur and even alternate forms of clothing than we had never before.

The fur clothing industry owns many forms in which it accommodates different animals that produces the cheapest and most quality fur. Minx are the main animals that produce this type of fur.

So I ask: Is it even needed anymore?
Should we reduce or increase our fur clothing industry?
Is it even applicable to the modern world?

My personal opinion on it is that it isn't needed in today's world, as we need not to rely on slaughtering animals for their coats of fur anymore. We have synthetic material that can produce almost the same fur, and we have clothing better than we ever had. It isn't moral or environmental friendly so I am against the use, production, and promotion of this product.

[Purpelia]

So I ask: Is it even needed anymore?

Is anything needed? Really, barring sort of clean water (you can boil it) and something, anything to eat we really do not NEED anything.

Should we reduce or increase our fur clothing industry?

Honestly, that I feel should be handled by the market. Yes, I am a communist but you know what. Fur is a luxury item that harms no one and makes some people happy. So if enough people want it I say let them have fur.

Is it even applicable to the modern world?

How do you measure applicability?

[Nazi Flower Power]

It isn't necessary and I don't personally own any fur clothing, but I don't think it should be banned.

[MERIZoC]

Yeah, it really shouldn't be made anymore when we have artificial fur.

[Seaxeland]

Yeah, it really shouldn't be made anymore when we have artificial fur.

Did you maybe ever think that people maybe, JUST MAYBE, don't WANT artificial fur? Because it's pretty easy to tell the difference.

[Cetacea]

It is an interesting debate, should the same sentiment apply to leather and even wool?
and is it acceptable if the fur comes from a pest species.

For instance New Zealand has a thriving Possum fur industry which is considered beneficial as possums are an introduced pest who have a huge detrimental effect on native forests and are a known TB vector. However possums are a protected species in their native Australia, which does nonetheless have a kangaroo meat industry.

The Minx farming techniques appear cruel but is farming for fur inherently bad? I wouldn't say so - so why not fur farms and although it may be controversial I personally see nothing wrong with cat and dog fur either+> yeah get Cruella that Dalmatian Coat

[MERIZoC]

Yeah, it really shouldn't be made anymore when we have artificial fur.

Did you maybe ever think that people maybe, JUST MAYBE, don't WANT artificial fur? Because it's pretty easy to tell the difference.

Did you maybe ever think that animals maybe, JUST MAYBE, don't WANT to be killed so people can make a fashion statement?

[Naemedia]

Frankly I have never been terribly bothered by the notion of fur in clothing due to its presence since humanity first began to reason, although I personally abhor some of the conditions the animals are kept in and would prefer to regulate the trade. As for synths, in my opinion they are vastly inferior, as well as sometimes being produced in a toxic process or overtly flammable such as in the case of synthetic leather. Most natural furs and leathers generally both feel superior and actually hold up better than their synthetic counterparts, until that means is equaled I will continue to hold my position.

So I ask: Is it even needed anymore?

In many countries of decreased development and without access to your synthetic furs? most likely.

Should we reduce or increase our fur clothing industry?

Neither, I'd prefer the market increase or decrease based on the desires of the industry itself, if synths prove more popular and displace natural furs, well there you go.

Is it even applicable to the modern world?

I don't quite understand what you are getting at here, you might want to rephrase it in clearer terms.

[The Serbian Empire]

Yeah, it really shouldn't be made anymore when we have artificial fur.

Did you maybe ever think that people maybe, JUST MAYBE, don't WANT artificial fur? Because it's pretty easy to tell the difference.

Yep, that's it. The market doesn't want the artificial fur.

[Cannerstown]

The fur industry is inherently cruel and should be abolished. I'm not one for taking away to much personal freedom but nevertheless I would never let my people support such atrocity. Above all I believe that caring and kindness should be extended to all life forms that bring other no pain or suffering to others. Imagine an alien race discovered us taking control and using other animals as slaves/products. Would we be regarded as a race that would take to violence or the peaceful advancement and betterment of all?

[Occupied Deutschland]

As someone who has worn both natural and synthetic fur clothing due to temperatures in Montana reaching 'Fucking unbelievably cold' on both the Celsius and Fahrenheit scale, I can honestly say there is quite a difference between the two. Real fur is a lot warmer.

Animals are here to be utilized by humanity. I take no issue with humane treatment or conservation, in fact I support both, but it is not cruel to kill an animal for its fur anymore than it is to kill them for their meat.

[Imperializt Russia]

So long as animals aren't mistreated and are killed humanely before collecting their fur.
Justify it by selling their meat and claiming the fur is a by-product.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I don't think it's a necessary industry anymore. We can create synthetic furs now. Should it be banned? No.

[North Defese]

I wonder if people would remain so eager to allow the fashion of fur clothing to continue if it were, say, kitten fur. An entire industry of slaughtering kittens for their fur - just like dwarf fortress! Pointlessly cruel, you say? No application, you say? What makes it any better to be another animal? Unless you're hunting and use every part of the animal, it's just a waste.

[Greater Israelia]

You guys really find a lot of things to debate, mostly pointless things.

If an animal is hunted, for instance, it would be wasteful not to use the fur for some purpose. God doesn't seem to have a problem with fur clothing, even according to the Old Testament laws (as far as I know).

Personally, fur clothing is very high quality and synthetic stuff isn't up to par. Besides the fact that synthetic stuff, just like GMOs or bioengineering, is just playing God.

Source: my opinion

[Occupied Deutschland]

I wonder if people would remain so eager to allow the fashion of fur clothing to continue if it were, say, kitten fur. An entire industry of slaughtering kittens for their fur - just like dwarf fortress! Pointlessly cruel, you say? No application, you say? What makes it any better to be another animal? Unless you're hunting and use every part of the animal, it's just a waste.

Still down with it. In fact, more down with it. How do humane society clinics and such dispose of animals they put down? I know those with a home are sent home with the families (sometimes) but what do they do to dispose of them?

Seems like it'd be a good business opportunity to take the bodies off their hands (could even charge them for it) and then use them for fur/meat.

[Imperializt Russia]

I wonder if people would remain so eager to allow the fashion of fur clothing to continue if it were, say, kitten fur. An entire industry of slaughtering kittens for their fur - just like dwarf fortress! Pointlessly cruel, you say? No application, you say? What makes it any better to be another animal? Unless you're hunting and use every part of the animal, it's just a waste.

Still down with it. In fact, more down with it. How do humane society clinics and such dispose of animals they put down? I know those with a home are sent home with the families (sometimes) but what do they do to dispose of them?

Seems like it'd be a good business opportunity to take the bodies off their hands (could even charge them for it) and then use them for fur/meat.

Wouldn't go down well.
Aborted foetuses in British hospitals were burnt for warmth as medical waste. That's basically the same level of moral outrage that accompanies mistreatment of kittens.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I have no opinion either way. I love fur clothes, but high quality synthetic furs are almost as nice. If the animals are not treated badly for the duration of their lives, and their death is painless, I have no problem with using animals for food and clothing. I don't necessarily think "Fuck yeah fur!" but I'm also not "Fuck no fur!"

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Still down with it. In fact, more down with it. How do humane society clinics and such dispose of animals they put down? I know those with a home are sent home with the families (sometimes) but what do they do to dispose of them?

Seems like it'd be a good business opportunity to take the bodies off their hands (could even charge them for it) and then use them for fur/meat.

Wouldn't go down well.
Aborted foetuses in British hospitals were burnt for warmth as medical waste. That's basically the same level of moral outrage that accompanies mistreatment of kittens.

I don't understand this obsession with dead things people have.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Wouldn't go down well.
Aborted foetuses in British hospitals were burnt for warmth as medical waste. That's basically the same level of moral outrage that accompanies mistreatment of kittens.

I don't understand this obsession with dead things people have.

I don't think many people do.

[Ustasha]

As long as the animals aren't endangered, who cares? They're not sentient. Let's focus on man's inhumanity to man, and the billions of people on this planet who need more food and better treatment before we worry about animals.

[Kiruri]

It's a luxury item. Luxury items are never necessities. Should we ban the fur clothing industry? No, I don't think so. Regulations, sure, I'm not against that, but banning is not necessary and a bit extreme.

[Florys]

Although I don't own any myself, I don't think simply having available alternatives is grounds to have any product banned, I mean we've had synthetic meat/protein produce for years and I don't see abattoirs shutting down.

[MERIZoC]

As someone who has worn both natural and synthetic fur clothing due to temperatures in Montana reaching 'Fucking unbelievably cold' on both the Celsius and Fahrenheit scale, I can honestly say there is quite a difference between the two. Real fur is a lot warmer.

Animals are here to be utilized by humanity. I take no issue with humane treatment or conservation, in fact I support both, but it is not cruel to kill an animal for its fur anymore than it is to kill them for their meat.

Are there not alternatives to fur that can keep you just as warm?

[MERIZoC]

As long as the animals aren't endangered, who cares? They're not sentient. Let's focus on man's inhumanity to man, and the billions of people on this planet who need more food and better treatment before we worry about animals.

Many would disagree.