NYC approves separate "poor door" in a luxury high rise

[Kaztropol]

I bet the elevators/stairs at the front entrance don't even connect to floors 2 through 6, where the affordable apartments are. And the elevators/stairs at the back entrance similarly only connect to floors 2 through 6.

I wonder what the Fire Department would think of such things.

[Margno]

The developer's argument for it just make it so much worse.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I don't see how the separate entrance is a big deal.

That said, the article mentioned there are some other buildings that do not allow all tenants access to amenities like gyms or whatever. That is crap. If you live in the building, you should have access to the amenities.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

"No one ever said that the goal was full integration of these populations," said David Von Spreckelsen, the senior vice president at Toll Brothers. "So now you have politicians talking about that, saying how horrible those back doors are. I think it's unfair to expect very high-income homeowners who paid a fortune to live in their building to have to be in the same boat as low-income renters, who are very fortunate to live in a new building in a great neighborhood."

And further, those parasites should be THANKING us for throwing pennies at them from the observation galleries we've installed between floors, allowing our human tenants to observe the poor in their natural environment.

[Unknown Unknownia]

Who honestly cares? The developer can build whatever he/she wishes to build. If they find it appropriate to divide the building in such way, they have all rights to. It's exactly like flying on an airline, there is First Class and economy, simple as that.

No they can't. They have to get planning permission.

I'm a Londoner so do not know much about New York's Social Housing Policy but a quick google reveals an Inclusionary Housing Program to promote economic integration. It seems a stupid thing to call it if they are allowed to exclude people from common areas based on their wealth. But to be fair, London is exactly the same.

[Luziyca]

I don't see how the separate entrance is a big deal.

That said, the article mentioned there are some other buildings that do not allow all tenants access to amenities like gyms or whatever. That is crap. If you live in the building, you should have access to the amenities.

I agree with this.

[Jinwoy]

Who honestly cares? The developer can build whatever he/she wishes to build. If they find it appropriate to divide the building in such way, they have all rights to. It's exactly like flying on an airline, there is First Class and economy, simple as that.

No they can't. They have to get planning permission.

I'm a Londoner so do not know much about New York's Social Housing Policy but a quick google reveals an Inclusionary Housing Program to promote economic integration. It seems a stupid thing to call it if they are allowed to exclude people from common areas based on their wealth. But to be fair, London is exactly the same.

Because its common doesn't make it right. Slavery, for instance.

[Britannic Realms]

What the hell is wrong with these people? What really annoys me is that it's probably those damn celebrities and nouveau riche types who have caused this, instead of proper wealthy people.

[Lalaki]

It's the developer's right, but as someone who advocates equality I have to be opposed to this on a personal level.

[Risottia]

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My opinion is that it's unfair to have a separate door for wealthy people and one for poor people. However, technically, if the affordable units are separate from the other units - then I could see how it is at least plausible - but I really think this comes down to people being elitist and not wanting to see poor people in their building. (and therefore reducing the value of the property)

Not quite the classy move, just to use an euphemism, but I don't see how it can be illegal. Frankly, I don't see it as a debateworthy issue - it's the builder's choice to build like that and the tenants' (rich and poor) to live in that building.

[European Socialist Republic]

Good idea! Now the rich job creators will never again have to worry about the smell of poor mooching subhumans.

[Tekania]

I find this humorous in that you have pandering politicians saying they plan to not approve things built to the fucking code their idiotic asses are in control of. Fix your fucking laws you fucking morons... if you have power to block the proposal you have the power to amend the fucking building codes you pedantic imbeciles. I hate politicians. I personally think they start be mandatory fitted with doggie shock collars. Imagien how benefitial it could be if you could zap them and say NO like here, or when GWB was standing in front of the mission accomplished sign, or when Eric Cantor says anything.

[Ethel mermania]

Who honestly cares? The developer can build whatever he/she wishes to build. If they find it appropriate to divide the building in such way, they have all rights to. It's exactly like flying on an airline, there is First Class and economy, simple as that.

I care and you should care as well. Why should a resident of a building, who pays rent mind you, be forced to enter through an entrance in a back alley? I don't know if you've ever been to New York or lived there, but alleys are where people mugged, raped, and/or murdered, but noooo, those snooty rich snobs would rather an actual person be put more at risk for a crime than have to use the same door as the plebs. Because you know they carry diseases and filth that isn't common amongst the rich. This is the beginning of a trend that should be stopped. This is discrimination and shouldn't be tolerated, it just shows how corrupt New York has become. Is their next mayor going to be Boss Tweed's ghost?

because this is a deal to get affordable housing, not lujxury housing for poor people.

if the developer built two seperate buildings. the building with market rate housing is going to be nicer from the lobby - the services and aminenities. housing for the poor does not usually include, doormen, conceierges, and health clubs. @ 6,000 per month, you expect it. with a plan like this you get financially integrated neighborhoods, because there is no other way to get more subsidized housing in neighborhoods like the upper west side. (back alley, did you even look @ the plans?) the poor enterance is on a side street, not an alley.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Did.. did we not have a thread on this like a year ago? I remember yelling at Hippo over something like this... well then again i yelled at him over a lot of things and vice versa.

[Greed and Death]

I do not see the issue. The poor could not afford the doorman. This was necessary to keep their apartments affordable.

[Ethel mermania]

Did.. did we not have a thread on this like a year ago? I remember yelling at Hippo over something like this... well then again i yelled at him over a lot of things and vice versa.

yes, this is not a new story.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Did.. did we not have a thread on this like a year ago? I remember yelling at Hippo over something like this... well then again i yelled at him over a lot of things and vice versa.

yes, this is not a new story.

Well then i have the same opinion as i did then, i can not be assed to go look for it.

[Greed and Death]

I care and you should care as well. Why should a resident of a building, who pays rent mind you, be forced to enter through an entrance in a back alley? I don't know if you've ever been to New York or lived there, but alleys are where people mugged, raped, and/or murdered, but noooo, those snooty rich snobs would rather an actual person be put more at risk for a crime than have to use the same door as the plebs. Because you know they carry diseases and filth that isn't common amongst the rich. This is the beginning of a trend that should be stopped. This is discrimination and shouldn't be tolerated, it just shows how corrupt New York has become. Is their next mayor going to be Boss Tweed's ghost?

because this is a deal to get affordable housing, not lujxury housing for poor people.

if the developer built two seperate buildings. the building with market rate housing is going to be nicer from the lobby - the services and aminenities. housing for the poor does not usually include, doormen, conceierges, and health clubs. @ 6,000 per month, you expect it. with a plan like this you get financially integrated neighborhoods, because there is no other way to get more subsidized housing in neighborhoods like the upper west side. (back alley, did you even look @ the plans?) the poor enterance is on a side street, not an alley.

6,000 per month is the affordable housing price in Manhattan.

[The Grim Reaper]

Did.. did we not have a thread on this like a year ago? I remember yelling at Hippo over something like this... well then again i yelled at him over a lot of things and vice versa.

yes, this is not a new story.

From what I gather out of the OP, the plan was put forward last year, and approved this weekend - so the thread from last year would have been on the plan becoming public.

[Calimera II]

Doesn't matter. If you do not like it, do not buy it.

[Frazers]

The developers have produced something which benefits lower income groups without damaging their profits.

Win-win. There's nothing unfair about this.

[Baiynistan]

Gross. I wish Obama actually was the evil, godless Commie sum'bitch Republicans painted him up to be. The US needs a good old-fashioned injection of class erosion.

[Greed and Death]

I bet the elevators/stairs at the front entrance don't even connect to floors 2 through 6, where the affordable apartments are. And the elevators/stairs at the back entrance similarly only connect to floors 2 through 6.

I wonder what the Fire Department would think of such things.

The stairs connect them all. However you can not go onto a floor from the stair case, there is simply no reentrence.

[Ethel mermania]

yes, this is not a new story.

From what I gather out of the OP, the plan was put forward last year, and approved this weekend - so the thread from last year would have been on the plan becoming public.

probably another thread get one when they break ground, and a 4th when the rental office opens.

[New Acardia]

I have mixed emotions about it,.