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Postby Vazdania » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:56 pm

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The Serbian Empire wrote:It however did fall into the Spanish explored areas by the late 1700s although no permanent settlements were made in Idaho.

Idaho was sold to the mining and timber companies to raise money for the railroads. It was divided as a normal good, bet upon, and traded in shares.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:56 pm

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No, it isn't in the American Consciousness. America doesn't have any socialist trait besides from a couple democratic businesses.

US simply isn't socialist.


I'm not saying it is socialist. I'm saying that socialism perpetuates throughout the American political and economic system because the American public finds that a more socialized perspective is more gratifying and affords them certain degrees of corporate liberty. It's perversion of the terms collectivism and individualism that confuses so many Americans.

The GOP capitalizes on this. And it's unfortunate.

It's individualism up to a point, but I don't think socialism ever truly comes into the picture.
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Postby Distruzio » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:57 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
I'm not saying it is socialist. I'm saying that socialism perpetuates throughout the American political and economic system because the American public finds that a more socialized perspective is more gratifying and affords them certain degrees of corporate liberty. It's perversion of the terms collectivism and individualism that confuses so many Americans.

The GOP capitalizes on this. And it's unfortunate.

It's individualism up to a point, but I don't think socialism ever truly comes into the picture.


Why not?
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Postby Cu Math » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:58 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Cu Math wrote:Idaho was sold to the mining and timber companies to raise money for the railroads. It was divided as a normal good, bet upon, and traded in shares.
Quintessentially capitalist.

Quintessentially corporatist* Thank goodness too, because its my state! :)

Thank you.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:59 pm

Cu Math wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:It however did fall into the Spanish explored areas by the late 1700s although no permanent settlements were made in Idaho.

Idaho was sold to the mining and timber companies to raise money for the railroads. It was divided as a normal good, bet upon, and traded in shares.
Quintessentially capitalist.

It is an exception of the new world (the Americas) in having never been a colony. Most of the policies used in Idaho in those shares hold themselves on pre-capitalist Mercantilism in the form of land holding companies selling shares of the land in hopes of distributing profits to investors back east.
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Postby Distruzio » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:59 pm

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No, but I've read the Communist Manifest, Marx's magnum opus. All the other books that followed were based on it.

So you didn't read his actual seminal work in the field nor the work of Engels, Engels being equally as important to Communism as Marx, and yet claim knowledge of the ideology.


To be fair and add a bit of brevity.... have you ever read any of Marx's works? The man was a genius but Jesus I needed a nap.
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Postby Pandeeria » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:59 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
No, it isn't in the American Consciousness. America doesn't have any socialist trait besides from a couple democratic businesses.

US simply isn't socialist.


I'm not saying it is socialist. I'm saying that socialism perpetuates throughout the American political and economic system because the American public finds that a more socialized perspective is more gratifying and affords them certain degrees of corporate liberty. It's perversion of the terms collectivism and individualism that confuses so many Americans.

The GOP capitalizes on this. And it's unfortunate.


How does the the American public finds a more socialized perspective as gratifying?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Vazdania » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:59 pm

Cu Math wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Quintessentially corporatist* Thank goodness too, because its my state! :)

Thank you.
Autocorrect on my phone didn't recognize the word. Also, my state too

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Postby Distruzio » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:01 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
I'm not saying it is socialist. I'm saying that socialism perpetuates throughout the American political and economic system because the American public finds that a more socialized perspective is more gratifying and affords them certain degrees of corporate liberty. It's perversion of the terms collectivism and individualism that confuses so many Americans.

The GOP capitalizes on this. And it's unfortunate.


How does the the American public finds a more socialized perspective as gratifying?


Looking to the federal government to address state concerns comes to mind.
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Postby Cu Math » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:01 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Cu Math wrote:Thank you.
Autocorrect on my phone didn't recognize the word. Also, my state too

:eyebrow: Vazdania is only Idahoan on NSG. YOU LIE!!!


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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:01 pm

Yes, communism is a "philosophical disease," as you call it. It is simplistic; it attempts to explain reductively all human relations and internal psychological attitudes in terms of socioeconomic status, thus missing most of the "big picture." Furthermore, it is a "philosophical disease" because it attempts to achieve by violence what cannot be attained by reason. It is the ultimate perversion of Hegalianism.
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Postby Pandeeria » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:02 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
How does the the American public finds a more socialized perspective as gratifying?


Looking to the federal government to address state concerns comes to mind.

Thats not socialist.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Vazdania » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:03 pm

Cu Math wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :eyebrow: Vazdania is only Idahoan on NSG. YOU LIE!!!


Sandpointian, grew up on Gold Hill and Lake Pend Oreille

Oh! :) both cities are beautiful.
Isn't Gold Hill near Placerville?
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Postby New Acardia » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:04 pm

[quote="Christian Democrats";p="20961198"]Yes, communism is a "philosophical disease," as you call it. It is simplistic; it attempts to explain reductively all human relations and internal psychological attitudes in terms of socioeconomic status, thus missing most of the "big picture." Furthermore, it is a "philosophical disease" because it attempts to achieve by violence what cannot be attained by reason. It is the ultimate perversion of Hegalianism.[/quo
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Postby Distruzio » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:05 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
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Looking to the federal government to address state concerns comes to mind.

Thats not socialist.


It is when it involves "mainly" (to quote you) economic interests.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:06 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Thats not socialist.


It is when it involves "mainly" (to quote you) economic interests.

Only when the government is actively socializing businesses.
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Postby Distruzio » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:10 pm

Geilinor wrote:
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It is when it involves "mainly" (to quote you) economic interests.

Only when the government is actively socializing businesses.


.... and what am I to interpret the utility providers as? Are those not examples of local socialism?
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:11 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Only when the government is actively socializing businesses.


.... and what am I to interpret the utility providers as? Are those not examples of local socialism?

Are there many active utility nationalizations right now? I thought the recent trend was privatization.
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Postby Pandeeria » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:14 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Thats not socialist.


It is when it involves "mainly" (to quote you) economic interests.


I said Socialism is a mainly economic system. That act isn't socialist.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Distruzio » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:14 pm

Geilinor wrote:
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.... and what am I to interpret the utility providers as? Are those not examples of local socialism?

Are there many active utility nationalizations right now? I thought the recent trend was privatization.


They're all run by a single company (if not the local government itself) appointed by the local government.

I've heard nothing about privatization.
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Postby Distruzio » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:15 pm

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Distruzio wrote:
It is when it involves "mainly" (to quote you) economic interests.


I said Socialism is a mainly economic system. That act isn't socialist.


That doesn't change my question.
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Postby Pandeeria » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:16 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
I said Socialism is a mainly economic system. That act isn't socialist.


That doesn't change my question.


What is your question?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Distruzio » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:18 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
That doesn't change my question.


What is your question?


Forgive me. I thought I'd asked it: If looking to government to solve "mainly" economic issues is not socialism, then what is it?
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Postby Pandeeria » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:21 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
What is your question?


Forgive me. I thought I'd asked it: If looking to government to solve "mainly" economic issues is not socialism, then what is it?


It's economic interventionism.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Distruzio » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:22 pm

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Forgive me. I thought I'd asked it: If looking to government to solve "mainly" economic issues is not socialism, then what is it?


It's economic interventionism.


Which is... not socialism?

How?
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