Communism as a philosophical disease

[Neo Rome Republic]

The US doesn't have Corporatism.

You know he means corporatocracy.

Well when I told him the actual definition of Corporatism, he still seemed to agree with the idea of Corporatism.

[Vazdania]

The US doesn't have Corporatism.

You know he means corporatocracy.

Corporatocracy is corporate leadership of government

[Distruzio]

Yes indeed. But which subset of collectivism characterizes those ideologies?

Horizontal collectivism, which gives rise to both socialism and communism, enjoys a significant presence in the American consciousness - just as much as vertical collectivism (which gives rise to monarchism and bonapartism). Yet it is only vertical collectivism that characterizes American society while horizontal collectivism characterizes the philosophical underpinnings of several institutions Americans have accepted - such as emergency service providers, elections, and so on.

It is this reality that sparked the Founders argument for a Bill of Rights. Rights protecting American individualism against horizontal collectivism. Socialism, is merely the manner in which that collectivism has been administered to American society.

It ain't a bad thing. If anything, American society has flourished under this reality. While those with whom I used to affiliate myself would say that this prosperity comes despite the existence of horizontal collectivism and socialist administrations. I say it doesn't matter. Folks want a more socialized - a more egalitarian society.

Welll I don't.

That's because you, like I, are a dirty little reactionary. We tend to remove ourselves from the franchise which is, as I've pointed out before, a form of soft socialism in America. So we don't affect the franchise results which, inevitably, give rise to a more socialized State - a servile State.

It's what the American population wants.

[Vazdania]

You know he means corporatocracy.

Well when I told him the actual definition of Corporatism, he still seemed to agree with the idea of Corporatism.

There are a few definitions of corporatism....

[Master Shake]

Psst....The US doesn't have Corporatism.

Yes it does by Corporatisms other definition which is corporate ownership of the means of production

I don't care who the hell makes my pizza as long as it is cheap and fast...

In the USSR you have to wait all day in a bread line just to get something to eat...

[Distruzio]

You know he means corporatocracy.

Corporatocracy is corporate leadership of government

Yes.

[Cu Math]

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We have the exact same thing here. Go out west and ask about the mineral rights. You'll find that even if you buy land in Idaho or Montana, you don't own the mineral rights; a corporation does from when the territory was formed. Whole swaths of exclusive control.

That is a mercantilist leftover dating back to the colonial era.

Idaho didnt exist as a territory then.

[Distruzio]

Well when I told him the actual definition of Corporatism, he still seemed to agree with the idea of Corporatism.

There are a few definitions of corporatism....

None of which involve corporations.

[Master Shake]

Corporatocracy is corporate leadership of government

Yes.

huh...America is getting close to having that...Give it a few more years/decade...

[Vazdania]

Welll I don't.

That's because you, like I, are a dirty little reactionary. We tend to remove ourselves from the franchise which is, as I've pointed out before, a form of soft socialism in America. So we don't affect the franchise results which, inevitably, give rise to a more socialized State - a servile State.

It's what the American population wants.

Q~Q I don't like being dirty though......can I take a bath please?

[The New Sea Territory]

Cool, all ideologies have collectivist traits.

Besides Individualist anarchism.

[Distruzio]

You're mistakenly assuming that I'm sneering the word socialism. I'm not.

And I am quite aware of what you point out. Which is precisely why I chose the term socialism. It not only satisfies the requirements horizontal collectivism but, in its own way, and vertical collectivism. Those examples I use are the most appropriate uses of socialism in the individualized American society. You, and others, merely balk at my use of the term because you presume I sneer it. I don't.

I guess my main point is that it would probably be more accurate to use collectivism in the place of where you're your using socialism. The latter having fairly specific meanings both as a socioeconomic system, and as a political philosophy, of which your examples don't really meet.

And I'm not trying to be condescending, it's just this thread is already filled to the brim with the incorrect usage of terminology.

Oh I follow. Bare in mind, however, that I keep using this term after having already pointed out that the usage of the term "communism" was based in fearmongering. I rather believe socialism gets a bad rap. I may not agree with it. But it ain't... uh... unAmerican.

[Distruzio]

Cool, all ideologies have collectivist traits.

Besides Individualist anarchism.

It does.... just not enforced.

[Pandeeria]

Cool, all ideologies have collectivist traits.

Yes indeed. But which subset of collectivism characterizes those ideologies?

Horizontal collectivism, which gives rise to both socialism and communism, enjoys a significant presence in the American consciousness - just as much as vertical collectivism (which gives rise to monarchism and bonapartism). Yet it is only vertical collectivism that characterizes American society while horizontal collectivism characterizes the philosophical underpinnings of several institutions Americans have accepted - such as emergency service providers, elections, and so on.

It is this reality that sparked the Founders argument for a Bill of Rights. Rights protecting American individualism against horizontal collectivism. Socialism, is merely the manner in which that collectivism has been administered to American society.

It ain't a bad thing. If anything, American society has flourished under this reality. While those with whom I used to affiliate myself would say that this prosperity comes despite the existence of horizontal collectivism and socialist administrations. I say it doesn't matter. Folks want a more socialized - a more egalitarian society.

You're saying that Socialism and Communism has taken America as the main mindset?

What drugs are you on?

[Distruzio]

Yes indeed. But which subset of collectivism characterizes those ideologies?

Horizontal collectivism, which gives rise to both socialism and communism, enjoys a significant presence in the American consciousness - just as much as vertical collectivism (which gives rise to monarchism and bonapartism). Yet it is only vertical collectivism that characterizes American society while horizontal collectivism characterizes the philosophical underpinnings of several institutions Americans have accepted - such as emergency service providers, elections, and so on.

It is this reality that sparked the Founders argument for a Bill of Rights. Rights protecting American individualism against horizontal collectivism. Socialism, is merely the manner in which that collectivism has been administered to American society.

It ain't a bad thing. If anything, American society has flourished under this reality. While those with whom I used to affiliate myself would say that this prosperity comes despite the existence of horizontal collectivism and socialist administrations. I say it doesn't matter. Folks want a more socialized - a more egalitarian society.

You're saying that Socialism and Communism has taken America as the main mindset?

What drugs are you on?

How'd you get that from what I said?

[Norstal]

Is communism a terrible ideology? Yes. Is it a philosophical disease? Not at all.

How is it a bad ideology? It should never be implemented because people are assholes, but that doesn't mean it's a bad ideology.

[Vazdania]

Is communism a terrible ideology? Yes. Is it a philosophical disease? Not at all.

How is it a bad ideology? It should never be implemented because people are assholes, but that doesn't mean it's a bad ideology.

Its a bad ideology because it makes everyone equal....ew...

[Pandeeria]

Horizontal collectivism, which gives rise to both socialism and communism, enjoys a significant presence in the American consciousness

No, it isn't in the American Consciousness. America doesn't have any socialist trait besides from a couple democratic businesses.

US simply isn't socialist.

[The Serbian Empire]

That is a mercantilist leftover dating back to the colonial era.

Idaho didnt exist as a territory then.

It however did fall into the Spanish explored areas by the late 1700s although no permanent settlements were made in Idaho. Similar policies on mineral rights did exist in most colonial areas and that's a topic for a different thread.

[Edlichbury]

Have you read Das Kapital? How about the Conquest of Bread? Anything by Trotsky or Lenin?

You define all your views of communism off one book. Marxism is not all of communist ideals.

No, but I've read the Communist Manifest, Marx's magnum opus. All the other books that followed were based on it.

So you didn't read his actual seminal work in the field nor the work of Engels, Engels being equally as important to Communism as Marx, and yet claim knowledge of the ideology.

[Vazdania]

Idaho didnt exist as a territory then.

It however did fall into the Spanish explored areas by the late 1700s although no permanent settlements were made in Idaho.

IDAHO IS BEST STATE! PROLIFERATE POTATO! [O_O]/ DONT MAKE ME SUMMON DARK LORD RALKOVIA!

[Geilinor]

It however did fall into the Spanish explored areas by the late 1700s although no permanent settlements were made in Idaho.

IDAHO IS BEST STATE! PROLIFERATE POTATO! [O_O]/ DONT MAKE ME SUMMON DARK LORD RALKOVIA!

NO, LOOK WEST OF THAT FOR BEST STATE!

[Edlichbury]

Nonsense. Socialism perpetuates. Especially here in the United States. The education system? The emergency response system? Elections? All of it... socialism. Or, more accurately, collectivism.

Hahahahah, no.

Education, Elections, etc. are not socialism. There hardly is any work place democracy, the poor-rich divide is insane.

Socialism isn't here any more.IndustrializationPolice raids and attacks on towns with those sympathies wiped it out.

Socialism came after industrialisation in pretty much every Western nation.

[Cu Math]

Idaho didnt exist as a territory then.

It however did fall into the Spanish explored areas by the late 1700s although no permanent settlements were made in Idaho.

Idaho was sold to the mining and timber companies to raise money for the railroads. It was divided as a normal good, bet upon, and traded in shares.
Quintessentially capitalist.

[Distruzio]

Horizontal collectivism, which gives rise to both socialism and communism, enjoys a significant presence in the American consciousness

No, it isn't in the American Consciousness. America doesn't have any socialist trait besides from a couple democratic businesses.

US simply isn't socialist.

I'm not saying it is socialist. I'm saying that socialism perpetuates throughout the American political and economic system because the American public finds that a more socialized perspective is more gratifying and affords them certain degrees of corporate liberty. It's perversion of the terms collectivism and individualism that confuses so many Americans.

The GOP capitalizes on this. And it's unfortunate.