Communism as a philosophical disease

[The New Sea Territory]

The ideology of communism is a idea for the future, it appeals to nations in poverty but it is ultimately bad for them. Socialism however has a foothold in many nations worldwide and an elected socialist government is the precursor to socialist revolution and then communism

So what you're saying is, Socialists party are in it to overthrow the existing government? Very hostile sounding.

There are plenty of nonviolent ways to bring about communism, almost proportional to the ways not to sound sarcastic on NSG.

[Distruzio]

I disagree socialism is alive and well worldwide, we surely won't see a revolution in our time, but the far left is still kicking

No, it's not. The far left and far right are dead. Right now it's the time for centre-left and moderate right.

Socialism doesn't exist anymore, except if you count North Korea, but they're State-Socialists on spoiled steroids and meth.

Nonsense. Socialism perpetuates. Especially here in the United States. The education system? The emergency response system? Elections? All of it... socialism. Or, more accurately, collectivism.

[Rio de Fuego]

I disagree socialism is alive and well worldwide, we surely won't see a revolution in our time, but the far left is still kicking

No, it's not. The far left and far right are dead. Right now it's the time for centre-left and moderate right.

Socialism doesn't exist anymore, except if you count North Korea, but they're State-Socialists on spoiled steroids and meth.

Perhaps I'm misusing the term far left, however as much I would love to continue this discussion I require some rest

[The Serbian Empire]

Except that these elected "socialists" are little more than economic centrists who practice mixed economies are best economies and will never be fully socialist or capitalist.

I disagree socialism is alive and well worldwide, we surely won't see a revolution in our time, but the far left is still kicking

It's clearly dead if it has no Prime Ministerships or Presidencies in developed countries. It's an ideology for the agrarian economy in an age that is far from agrarian in most of the world.

[The New Sea Territory]

No, it's not. The far left and far right are dead. Right now it's the time for centre-left and moderate right.

Socialism doesn't exist anymore, except if you count North Korea, but they're State-Socialists on spoiled steroids and meth.

Nonsense. Socialism perpetuates. Especially here in the United States. The education system? The emergency response system? Elections? All of it... socialism. Or, more accurately, collectivism.

The United States is not socialist in any legitimate way. Collectivist, yes. State Collectivism, I agree, is dumb.

[Pandeeria]

No, it's not. The far left and far right are dead. Right now it's the time for centre-left and moderate right.

Socialism doesn't exist anymore, except if you count North Korea, but they're State-Socialists on spoiled steroids and meth.

Nonsense. Socialism perpetuates. Especially here in the United States. The education system? The emergency response system? Elections? All of it... socialism. Or, more accurately, collectivism.

Hahahahah, no.

Education, Elections, etc. are not socialism. There hardly is any work place democracy, the poor-rich divide is insane.

Socialism isn't here any more. Industrialization wiped it out.

[Korouse]

I disagree socialism is alive and well worldwide, we surely won't see a revolution in our time, but the far left is still kicking

No, it's not. The far left and far right are dead. Right now it's the time for centre-left and moderate right.

Socialism doesn't exist anymore, except if you count North Korea, but they're State-Socialists on spoiled steroids and meth.

At least the centre left isn't as revolting as the full on left.

[Pandeeria]

No, it's not. The far left and far right are dead. Right now it's the time for centre-left and moderate right.

Socialism doesn't exist anymore, except if you count North Korea, but they're State-Socialists on spoiled steroids and meth.

At least the centre left isn't as revolting as the full on left.

I think it would be better worded as the "far left" as you could consider me a "full-leftist" person. I'm a Liberal Socialist, though I hate socialism.

[The New Sea Territory]

I disagree socialism is alive and well worldwide, we surely won't see a revolution in our time, but the far left is still kicking

It's clearly dead if it has no Prime Ministerships or Presidencies in developed countries. It's an ideology for the agrarian economy in an age that is far from agrarian in most of the world.

Except you were just saying communism has to industrialize...so obviously the far left isn't that agrarian.

Even so, I'm going to refer to MONDRAGON as an example of leftist principles of worker self management alive in the modern society.

[Distruzio]

Nonsense. Socialism perpetuates. Especially here in the United States. The education system? The emergency response system? Elections? All of it... socialism. Or, more accurately, collectivism.

The United States is not socialist in any legitimate way. Collectivist, yes. State Collectivism, I agree, is dumb.

Of course not. The United States is not socialist. It's economy is, however, rife with collectivist (socialist) programs. That means that socialism, of course, perpetuates.

[The New Sea Territory]

No, it's not. The far left and far right are dead. Right now it's the time for centre-left and moderate right.

Socialism doesn't exist anymore, except if you count North Korea, but they're State-Socialists on spoiled steroids and meth.

At least the centre left isn't as revolting as the full on left.

Quite the opposite. The Center-left supports statism, Mixed economy and authoritarianism. You as a libertarian would be more supportive of far-left libertarian thought than center-left politics.

Unless, of course, you're a Tea Partier who is ignorant on all fronts.

[Korouse]

At least the centre left isn't as revolting as the full on left.

I think it would be better worded as the "far left" as you could consider me a "full-leftist" person. I'm a Liberal Socialist, though I hate socialism.

As in, no revolution?

[The Serbian Empire]

It's clearly dead if it has no Prime Ministerships or Presidencies in developed countries. It's an ideology for the agrarian economy in an age that is far from agrarian in most of the world.

Except you were just saying communism has to industrialize...so obviously the far left isn't that agrarian.

Even so, I'm going to refer to MONDRAGON as an example of leftist principles of worker self management alive in the modern society.

It's a good thing we don't see it in active government as the leftist principles aren't well suited for people who aren't entering into it willingly and fortunately, it requires an agrarian economy for it to take power as a government or so it seems like.

[Master Shake]

Of course its a disease. Communism is a parasite, a bulging tumor. It has killed in excess of millions, be it Stalinism, Leninism, Maoism, etc. It should be eradicated.

Communism never killed anybody. The systems you describe are means of achieving communism.

Then technically the path to communism is littered with corpses...much like taking a walk through a graveyard...

[The New Sea Territory]

The United States is not socialist in any legitimate way. Collectivist, yes. State Collectivism, I agree, is dumb.

Of course not. The United States is not socialist. It's economy is, however, rife with collectivist (socialist) programs. That means that socialism, of course, perpetuates.

They are not socialist programs. If anything, they are very Corporatist. Collectivist, all the same, but calling it socialism is very, very wrong.

[Korouse]

At least the centre left isn't as revolting as the full on left.

Quite the opposite. The Center-left supports statism, Mixed economy and authoritarianism. You as a libertarian would be more supportive of far-left libertarian thought than center-left politics.

Unless, of course, you're a Tea Partier who is ignorant on all fronts.

How does the centre-left promote authoritarianism?

[Pandeeria]

I think it would be better worded as the "far left" as you could consider me a "full-leftist" person. I'm a Liberal Socialist, though I hate socialism.

As in, no revolution?

Nope, I hate socialism, like workplace democracy.

Read this to learn exactly what Liberal Socialism is.

[Distruzio]

Nonsense. Socialism perpetuates. Especially here in the United States. The education system? The emergency response system? Elections? All of it... socialism. Or, more accurately, collectivism.

Hahahahah, no.

Education, Elections, etc. are not socialism. There hardly is any work place democracy, the poor-rich divide is insane.

Socialism isn't here any more. Industrialization wiped it out.

Pandeeria... you're confusing terms again. Socialism isn't just an economic paradigm. It's also a social one. It's social observations are collectivist in nature. Any and every democratic institution is collectivist. As such, socialism very much exists here in the United States.

[The New Sea Territory]

Except you were just saying communism has to industrialize...so obviously the far left isn't that agrarian.

Even so, I'm going to refer to MONDRAGON as an example of leftist principles of worker self management alive in the modern society.

It's a good thing we don't see it in active government as the leftist principles aren't well suited for people who aren't entering into it willingly.

Far-Leftism is anti-government. So, of course now left-libertarians are in government.

Communism never killed anybody. The systems you describe are means of achieving communism.

Then technically the path to communism is littered with corpses...much like taking a walk through a graveyard...

You take third exit called "Libertarianism", and get onto the Anarchist Highway. Very few corpses.

And to discredit an ideology because it killed people is nonsense. The Founding Fathers fought a war. FDR, Truman and Reagan and many other presidents killed people. So? It doesn't discredit the philosophy.

[Pandeeria]

Hahahahah, no.

Education, Elections, etc. are not socialism. There hardly is any work place democracy, the poor-rich divide is insane.

Socialism isn't here any more. Industrialization wiped it out.

Pandeeria... you're confusing terms again. Socialism isn't just an economic paradigm. It's also a social one. It's social observations are collectivist in nature. Any and every democratic institution is collectivist. As such, socialism very much exists here in the United States.

Socialism is mainly an economic system.

Does socialism contain collectivist traits? Yes, but do so many other ideologies.

Collectivism (even though the US doesn't have it) =/= Socialism.

[The New Sea Territory]

Hahahahah, no.

Education, Elections, etc. are not socialism. There hardly is any work place democracy, the poor-rich divide is insane.

Socialism isn't here any more. Industrialization wiped it out.

Pandeeria... you're confusing terms again. Socialism isn't just an economic paradigm. It's also a social one. It's social observations are collectivist in nature. Any and every democratic institution is collectivist. As such, socialism very much exists here in the United States.

No, collectivism exists in the United States. Socialism doesn't.

[Korouse]

As in, no revolution?

Nope, I hate socialism, like workplace democracy.

Read this to learn exactly what Liberal Socialism is.

Alright.

[Master Shake]

Of course not. The United States is not socialist. It's economy is, however, rife with collectivist (socialist) programs. That means that socialism, of course, perpetuates.

They are not socialist programs. If anything, they are very Corporatist. Collectivist, all the same, but calling it socialism is very, very wrong.

How the hell is it not socialist?

Social Welfare?

Anyway I do agree that corporations do promote welfare so they can keep wages low and have the government pay the workers what they(Corporations) don't want to pay. Which is why so many people working at McDonald's collect Welfare instead of getting a $10 an hour wage...

Still though welfare was brought about by people who were worried about their fellow man and wanted the common people to learn and be able to put a roof over their heads. If corporations had it their way the education system would be used to teach kids how to flip burgers and customer service skills...

Basically educational systems and welfare ARE socialists based programs....

[Distruzio]

Of course not. The United States is not socialist. It's economy is, however, rife with collectivist (socialist) programs. That means that socialism, of course, perpetuates.

They are not socialist programs. If anything, they are very Corporatist. Collectivist, all the same, but calling it socialism is very, very wrong.

Is it? All individuals (except in rare cases) are expected to pay taxes to these organizations and their will has been overridden in making them do so under law, thus they are collectivist institutions. We also see, that in regards to a police department, an individual can be detained whether he or she wishes to or not, overriding his or her will as an example of collectivism. The manner in which these organizations perpetuate is socialist in nature as the means of production for these organizations is collectively appropriated on all of society.

[The New Sea Territory]

Quite the opposite. The Center-left supports statism, Mixed economy and authoritarianism. You as a libertarian would be more supportive of far-left libertarian thought than center-left politics.

Unless, of course, you're a Tea Partier who is ignorant on all fronts.

How does the centre-left promote authoritarianism?

Just how the center-right promotes social authoritarianism , as the state regulates social life, the center left supports economic authoritarianism.

Far-leftism promotes statelessness. At least left-libertarianism, which means all the economics, as everything else is, are voluntary.