Why be against Zionism?

[Hollorous]

Why be against Greater Germany?

Greater Germany? Pfft...so passe. When I was young man, Greater Serbia was the thing.

[Nansurium]

Promised by whom?

God, who else?

Because making geopolitical decisions based on what the invisible spirit-king in the sky supposedly said is always a good idea.

[Sklavinia]

No, they still lived there until the Roman Empire came, so it was still their land.

So I'm assuming you must have missed the Jewish diaspora...

No, I'm well aware of it. Doesn't change anything, many still remained behind, and many paid the price for doing so. To said it's not Jewish land puts their deaths in vein.

[The New Lowlands]

*researches*

Oh

Then...

Turkey/Greece (nature), Bulgaria/Greece or B./Macedonia (nature), Macedonia/Serbia, Kosovo/Serbia, Montenegro/Serbia, Bosnia/Serbia, Croatia/Serbia, Hungary/Serbia (nature), Hungary/Romania, Hungary/Ukraine, Hungary/Slovakia, Slovakia/Austria (nature), Slovakia/Czech Republic, Slovakia/Poland, Poland/Ukraine, Ukraine/Belarus, Belarus/Russia, Latvia/Belarus, Lithuania/Belarus, Lithuania/Poland, Lithuania/Russia.

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. Why destroy centuries of history and culture by turning these great nations into a forest preserve??!!?

Shit I'd rather have Hungary ruled over by the soviets then see it turned into a EU national park...

Not the nations, the former Iron Curtain, which is largely empty. Read.

[Sklavinia]

God, who else?

Which God? And how do you know it was promised?

Are you serious?

God, who else?

Because making geopolitical decisions based on what the invisible spirit-king in the sky supposedly said is always a good idea.

Nice flamebait.

[The Alma Mater]

Promised by whom?

God, who else?

IIRC, God added a date to that promise. Something like "you'll get it just before the world ends".

Which btw would be a reason to be against them having it on several levels.

[Nansurium]

So I'm assuming you must have missed the Jewish diaspora...

No, I'm well aware of it. Doesn't change anything, many still remained behind, and many paid the price for doing so. To said it's not Jewish land puts their deaths in vein.

The native Jews and Muslims were living in relative peace until the European Zionists arrived. And what makes you think that the 10% Jewish population had more right to the land then the 85% Palestinian population? Because god told you so? Please...

[Sklavinia]

No, I'm well aware of it. Doesn't change anything, many still remained behind, and many paid the price for doing so. To said it's not Jewish land puts their deaths in vein.

The native Jews and Muslims were living in relative peace until the European Zionists arrived. And what makes you think that the 10% Jewish population had more right to the land then the 85% Palestinian population? Because god told you so? Please...

No, because the "Palestinians" were descendants of the Muslim invaders.

God, who else?

IIRC, God added a date to that promise. Something like "you'll get it just before the world ends".

What?

[The New Lowlands]

The native Jews and Muslims were living in relative peace until the European Zionists arrived. And what makes you think that the 10% Jewish population had more right to the land then the 85% Palestinian population? Because god told you so? Please...

No, because the "Palestinians" were descendants of the Muslim invaders.

Literally everyone, ever is some descendant of some description of invader, except maybe people living where the human race originated, which we're not even sure of where it is.

[Nansurium]

Because making geopolitical decisions based on what the invisible spirit-king in the sky supposedly said is always a good idea.

Nice flamebait.

I hoped it demonstrated the absurdity of your suggestion.

[Nansurium]

The native Jews and Muslims were living in relative peace until the European Zionists arrived. And what makes you think that the 10% Jewish population had more right to the land then the 85% Palestinian population? Because god told you so? Please...

No, because the "Palestinians" were descendants of the Muslim invaders.

And Jews were the descendants of Mesopotamian invaders and invaded and genocided the Canaan again upon returning from Egypt, if the biblical account, which is dubious at best, is taken to be accurate.

[Saint Jade IV]

Which God? And how do you know it was promised?

Are you serious?

Yes I am. I'd like some kind of legal documentation, internationally recognised by an independent court of law, that God promised the Jews this land, and that God had prior ownership of said land.

In short, I'd like to see God's bond for the state of Israel. Otherwise, I'm just going to suggest that like every other piece of land claimed by some religion or another, it really should be considered as belonging to the people existing there now. Not people who may or may not have existed there at some point in the distant past, and who think that their special interpretation of their special book is somehow legally binding.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

No, because the "Palestinians" were descendants of the Muslim invaders.

Nope, they are genetically pretty much native to the Levant.

[The Alma Mater]

IIRC, God added a date to that promise. Something like "you'll get it just before the world ends".

What?

Let me rephrase that.
In the Jewish faith, the Jews returning to Israel is a sign of the impending "end of days". It is not something that can just happen at a random time.

[Memell]

No, because the "Palestinians" were descendants of the Muslim invaders.

It's like saying "Western Europe to the Romans...because 1500 years ago the Roman Empire was destroyed by the barbarian invaders; therefore, we must expel anyone of non-roman heritage."

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[Gaelic Celtia]

Promised by whom?

God, who else?

Yes, well, getting political recognition for a Greater Israel and redrawing the Middle East "because God promised" is not going to work anytime soon.

And if we gave every culture back land that was stolen from them....well it would be impossible.

[Rabopari]

Promised by whom?

God, who else?

i do hope this is sarcasm

[Kilobugya]

States should not exist, but a Universal Socialist Republic of Humanity. While they do exist (which they will for a while), they shouldn't be based on religions or ethnicity, but on people making their lives in a place. The whole concept of having a state for a certain religion, or for a certain ethnicity, is utterly sick, and doomed to degenerate into tragedy.

[MERIZoC]

Because it's a racist and nationalistic ideology. When you promote the Jews as the "chosen people", trouble will come. What's more, there's really no need for it. Judaism is a tiny religious group. If the Jews get their own homeland, then why shouldn't the atheists? Or the Sikhs?

[Ucropi]

Why be against Zionism? Because religion breeds hate. All religion should be abolished.

[MERIZoC]

Why be against Zionism? Because religion breeds hate. All religion should be abolished.

….You can't abolish religion anymore than you can abolish certain emotions.

[Aushanit]

Don't give a shit about Zionism is probably the best way I could be my view of Zionism. While I sympathize with the Jews in an effort to form a Jewish state I disagree with many if the methods they use to do so. Not even the methods but just the Arrogance of them going "yeah go fuck yourself" kinda gets me. If course that not in every case.

[Ucropi]

Why be against Zionism? Because religion breeds hate. All religion should be abolished.

….You can't abolish religion anymore than you can abolish certain emotions.

Emotions are ingrained in humans if you don't teach a kid about religion they won't believe in it.

[Nansurium]

Why be against Zionism? Because religion breeds hate. All religion should be abolished.

Even if organized religion eventually collapses, human beings will always turn to some form of ritualistic devotion. Such behavior is literally an evolutionary characteristic.

[Blekksprutia]

Please do not bring up the Palestinian-Israeli debate, there are other threads for that but limit the discussion to Zionism.

I think most of us will find it difficult to discuss what's wrong with Zionism without bringing up the Palestinian-Israeli debate.