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Postby Blazedtown » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:16 pm

Hertzlia wrote:For those who don't know, Zionism is a political movement that emerged in the second half of the 19th century, which calls for the creation of a jewish state. It is a branch of nationalism, but differs in the fact that instead of creating a state for a nationality (Italian, German, Chinese), it aims to create a state for members of a certain religion (Judaism). While Judaism is not exactly a nationality, all jews have many traits in common, including language (Hebrew), culture (Judaism), and a common history (the bible/ ancient Israel). Jews have been prosecuted for many years and they still are for various reasons. The State of Israel was founded after WWII (and the holocaust) for that precise reason. While Israel in it's many years of existence has generated many controversies, it doesn't represent the end goals of Zionism. Criticizing Zionism because of Israel's mistakes is like criticising Nazi Germany because of Nationalism (although it is impossible to compare Israel with Nazi Germany). I understand people who are against Israel, but why be against Zionism?

Please do not bring up the Palestinian-Israeli debate, there are other threads for that but limit the discussion to Zionism.


Not to compare Israel to the Soviet Union, but this is the exact same argument that communists use to separate communism from the USSR.
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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:20 am

People tend to believe Zionists are allied with the Illuminati to take over the world. My best friend seems to believe that.
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Postby Seleucas » Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:17 am

I oppose Zionism because there is no right to displace the Arabs already living in that region, especially not on the flimsy pretexts offered by the Zionist movement.
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Postby Iuronia » Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:57 am

Seleucas wrote:I oppose Zionism because there is no right to displace the Arabs already living in that region, especially not on the flimsy pretexts offered by the Zionist movement.

What flimsy pretexts?
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Postby Seleucas » Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:05 am

Iuronia wrote:
Seleucas wrote:I oppose Zionism because there is no right to displace the Arabs already living in that region, especially not on the flimsy pretexts offered by the Zionist movement.

What flimsy pretexts?


I don't hold Biblical claims, or the notion that they need a separate state to avoid persecution, as particularly strong arguments. (Among others.)
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The Union will instead, fall.
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Postby Sxvoryia » Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:07 pm

CONCLUSION;
Jews are racist and vain and do not deserve a state
Palestinians are vengeful and rash, and not a real ethnicity, so they should not have it either... In the end aren't they all just Semites who should really unite together in peace? A Semite is a Semite no matter how holy, or unholy, or non-Jewish.
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Postby Alcase » Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:10 pm

New Aerios wrote:I'm against Zionism both because I oppose the state, and because I oppose ethnic nationalism even more. Ethnic nationalism is nothing but racism. Israel is an apartheid state attempting to mimic the policies of the people that persecuted them 70 years ago.
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Postby Darussalam » Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:20 pm

I'm not fully against zionism, but it has something to do with Israel being civilian-massacring jerks and the ideology's enforcement involving land confiscation from the Palestinians.
Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:People tend to believe Zionists are allied with the Illuminati to take over the world. My best friend seems to believe that.

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Postby Wind in the Willows » Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:22 pm

Rabopari wrote:because it's colonialist, in the fact that it encourages zionists to take peoples land

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