Why be against Zionism?

[The Second Aryan Reich]

Zionism is just stupid anyway, it is a racist supremacist ideology... And it kills

[The Scientific States]

I think being against Zionism is closeted anti-Semitism at this point. It's siding with Hamas and Hezbollah who want to complete the job of the pogroms and those Germans we shall not speak of. The only place for the Jewish people that isn't occupied is a continent of ice and snow and to be fair, unfit for human population beyond the occasional scientific expedition.

What? I'm against Zionism, bit I do not side with Hamas or Hezebollah. I believe that a two state solution is best, and that Palestinian groups like Hamas have done terrible, terrible things.

[Alsheb]

I'm against zionism just like I'm against any other form of religious fudnamentalism or extremism, and against any form of extreme nationalism or any form of ethnic, religious or racial supremacism.

Claiming lands are for sopme reason inherently yours because "God gave it to us" is just nonsensical in my opinion, and doesn't give you any legitimate right to it whatsoever. Also, I don't see why any religious group should have the "right to an own state" in the first place. Last I checked,there is no Jain state or Baha'i state either, to name but a few. Yet those are also religions with millions of followers. Followers of religions should live together, not seclude themselves in their "own country". And if that country is already owned by another people which you forecefully evict or massacre to claim "your own state", well that really crosses quite some lines.

So yeah, even purely theoretically, I oppose the idea of a "Jewish state", and as such the principle of Zionism itself.

[MERIZoC]

I think being against Zionism is closeted anti-Semitism at this point. It's siding with Hamas and Hezbollah who want to complete the job of the pogroms and those Germans we shall not speak of. The only place for the Jewish people that isn't occupied is a continent of ice and snow and to be fair, unfit for human population beyond the occasional scientific expedition.

You think wrong.

[Sxvoryia]

I'd rather worship the dumbest thing ever and live in a box in North Korea than support this Jewish Version of Nazism.

Well I'd pick Israel over almost every nation in the Middle East, or North Korea.
I don't support Israel, I technically don't have a side I wholly favor in this.
But if I had to pick the Arab World or Israel, I'd pick Israel, because at least it doesn't treat it's people like crap or enforce Theocratic laws.

Israel has plenty theocratic laws

[Sxvoryia]

I think being against Zionism is closeted anti-Semitism at this point. It's siding with Hamas and Hezbollah who want to complete the job of the pogroms and those Germans we shall not speak of. The only place for the Jewish people that isn't occupied is a continent of ice and snow and to be fair, unfit for human population beyond the occasional scientific expedition.

You think wrong.

Jews are best of in nations like Poland

and technically the Jews are also being Anti-Semitic because the Palestinians are Semitic
Ironic huh?

[The Serbian Empire]

The problem is where do you put the Jews as to let them not be attacked by anti-Semites? Laws against hate crimes aren't enough of a carrot to slay the anti-Semite who is told the Jew is the reason they're poor (bankers have historically been Jewish) or that the Jew is what killed Jesus.

Fun fact: Jesus was a practising Jew all his life. Christianity is/was a Jewish cult. The solution is not to hide the Jews away the solution is education.

Educating the anti-Semite is a lost cause. Look at the radical Muslims who believe firing missiles at Israel will remove the Jewish "menace". It hasn't worked and if anything, it's hurting the Muslims as the Israelis clamp down on places like Gaza.

[Indira]

Because it involves taking land from other people. Forcefully. That's all you really need to know

[The Serbian Empire]

You think wrong.

Jews are best of in nations like Poland

and technically the Jews are also being Anti-Semitic because the Palestinians are Semitic
Ironic huh?

The problem is the Jews also are Semitic although there's been plenty of intermixing with Poles to create the Ashkenazi Jews that are far more European looking than your usual Semitic people.

[Sxvoryia]

Fun fact: Jesus was a practising Jew all his life. Christianity is/was a Jewish cult. The solution is not to hide the Jews away the solution is education.

Educating the anti-Semite is a lost cause. Look at the radical Muslims who believe firing missiles at Israel will remove the Jewish "menace". It hasn't worked and if anything, it's hurting the Muslims as the Israelis clamp down on places like Gaza.

Well missiles are never a good solution but, the Jews are slowly eroding all of the Muslims options

[Free Tristania]

Zionism doesn't encourage taking anyone's land. It realises that it is vital that there be a jewish state, for the jewish people. Judaism is not just a religion but also a culture, and history has proved that the Jews will never be safe in another people's country.

Exactly. And "Anti-Zionists" have proven time and time again to be just another front for Anti-Semites.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Well I'd pick Israel over almost every nation in the Middle East, or North Korea.
I don't support Israel, I technically don't have a side I wholly favor in this.
But if I had to pick the Arab World or Israel, I'd pick Israel, because at least it doesn't treat it's people like crap or enforce Theocratic laws.

Israel has plenty theocratic laws

Name one.

[Sxvoryia]

Jews are best of in nations like Poland

and technically the Jews are also being Anti-Semitic because the Palestinians are Semitic
Ironic huh?

The problem is the Jews also are Semitic although there's been plenty of intermixing with Poles to create the Ashkenazi Jews that are far more European looking than your usual Semitic people.

I know Jews are Semitic and that is what makes it so Ironic

[Disgusting Ones]

For those who don't know, Zionism is a political movement that emerged in the second half of the 19th century, which calls for the creation of a jewish state. It is a branch of nationalism, but differs in the fact that instead of creating a state for a nationality (Italian, German, Chinese), it aims to create a state for members of a certain religion (Judaism). While Judaism is not exactly a nationality, all jews have many traits in common, including language (Hebrew), culture (Judaism), and a common history (the bible/ ancient Israel). Jews have been prosecuted for many years and they still are for various reasons. The State of Israel was founded after WWII (and the holocaust) for that precise reason. While Israel in it's many years of existence has generated many controversies, it doesn't represent the end goals of Zionism. Criticizing Zionism because of Israel's mistakes is like criticising Nazi Germany because of Nationalism (although it is impossible to compare Israel with Nazi Germany). I understand people who are against Israel, but why be against Zionism?

Please do not bring up the Palestinian-Israeli debate, there are other threads for that but limit the discussion to Zionism.

They are stealing land. Chase those bad people away and don`t let them near Palestine.

[Nansurium]

Fun fact: Jesus was a practising Jew all his life. Christianity is/was a Jewish cult. The solution is not to hide the Jews away the solution is education.

Educating the anti-Semite is a lost cause. Look at the radical Muslims who believe firing missiles at Israel will remove the Jewish "menace". It hasn't worked and if anything, it's hurting the Muslims as the Israelis clamp down on places like Gaza.

Israel was clamped down before Hamas even came to power. They were clamped down on Palestinians the day their state came into existence. When Hamas was elected, one Israeli cabinet member was quoted as saying, "It's time to put Palestine on a diet."

[The Serbian Empire]

Zionism doesn't encourage taking anyone's land. It realises that it is vital that there be a jewish state, for the jewish people. Judaism is not just a religion but also a culture, and history has proved that the Jews will never be safe in another people's country.

Exactly. And "Anti-Zionists" have proven time and time again to be just another front for Anti-Semites.

Especially amongst the Muslims and Russians.

[Sxvoryia]

If zionists had found a place in the world that was not already inhabited by other people, then perhaps it could have worked without the negative consequences.

Antarctica, anybody? I'm sure the penguins won't mind.

The UN prohibits any single nation or people claiming any part of Antarctica, sorry.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Zionism doesn't encourage taking anyone's land. It realises that it is vital that there be a jewish state, for the jewish people. Judaism is not just a religion but also a culture, and history has proved that the Jews will never be safe in another people's country.

They're pretty safe in the USA.

[The Serbian Empire]

Educating the anti-Semite is a lost cause. Look at the radical Muslims who believe firing missiles at Israel will remove the Jewish "menace". It hasn't worked and if anything, it's hurting the Muslims as the Israelis clamp down on places like Gaza.

Israel was clamped down before Hamas even came to power. They were clamped down on Palestinians the day their state came into existence. When Hamas was elected, one Israeli cabinet member was quoted as saying, "It's time to put Palestine on a diet."

The question is would Israel have existed if it wasn't for anti-Semites in Europe who got political power having ran a mass genocide program? I think not. I think the Palestinians should try to move to the Czech Republic and fire missiles on Germany if they want to get at the real culprit of why Israel exists.

[The Scientific States]

Exactly. And "Anti-Zionists" have proven time and time again to be just another front for Anti-Semites.

Especially amongst the Muslims and Russians.

Sometimes self described "anti-zionists" are anti Semites, and they're "anti Zionist" for the wrong reason. I have no problem with allowing Israel to be a country, in fact I believe it's a good thing. But, when Israel takes over land, causing civilian casualties and increasing tensions in the region, is it anti-Semitic to be opposed to that?

[Sxvoryia]

Exactly. And "Anti-Zionists" have proven time and time again to be just another front for Anti-Semites.

Especially amongst the Muslims and Russians.

I am anti-Zionist, but I am not an Anti-Semite

[The Serbian Empire]

Especially amongst the Muslims and Russians.

Sometimes self described "anti-zionists" are anti Semites, and they're "anti Zionist" for the wrong reason. I have no problem with allowing Israel to be a country, in fact I believe it's a good thing. But, when Israel takes over land, causing civilian casualties and increasing tensions in the region, is it anti-Semitic to be opposed to that?

I guess it's reasonable to be anti-Zionist seeing how it destabilized the region in general. Of course, the Palestinians have been attacking the wrong people for the presence of Israel in the first place, but I've already gotten at that in an earlier post.

[The Greater Hyperborean Realm]

Antarctica, anybody? I'm sure the penguins won't mind.

The UN prohibits any single nation or people claiming any part of Antarctica, sorry.

Hasn't stopped the UK, France, Argentina, Norway, Chile, Australia or New Zealand.

[The Scientific States]

Sometimes self described "anti-zionists" are anti Semites, and they're "anti Zionist" for the wrong reason. I have no problem with allowing Israel to be a country, in fact I believe it's a good thing. But, when Israel takes over land, causing civilian casualties and increasing tensions in the region, is it anti-Semitic to be opposed to that?

I guess it's reasonable to be anti-Zionist seeing how it destabilized the region in general. Of course, the Palestinians have been attacking the wrong people for the presence of Israel in the first place, but I've already gotten at that in an earlier post.

Well, because of the destabilization in the region, is it also reasonable to say that a two state solution, a state of Palestine, and a state of Israel, would help the region?

[The Serbian Empire]

The UN prohibits any single nation or people claiming any part of Antarctica, sorry.

Hasn't stopped the UK, France, Argentina, Norway, Chile, Australia or New Zealand.

The claims in several of those cases were done before the UN came into play. Still does absolve Argentina or Chile though who entered a bit later.