Why be against Zionism?

[Sxvoryia]

Fairytales? Zionism has nothing to do with religion. Zionism is an atheist ideology defending Jewish ethnicity, not religion. There is concrete evidence of Jewish history on the land. The same cannot be said for the Arabs. Palestine is rich of Jewish archaeological history. This proves that Jews are native to this land. The Arabs did not arrive to Palestine until the Muslim Conquest which brought them through Palestine all the way through North Africa, ending in southern Europe. Arabs are from Arabia, not the Levant, which is where Palestine is located. The term "Palestine" is not even an Arab word. It is Greek, coined by the Romans to denote the region. Never was it used to denote a people. No one had ever referred to themselves as "Palestinian" until 1967 after the Six-Day-War. Before 1967, they were proudly Jordanian, proudly Syrian, proudly Lebanese, and proudly Saudi Arabian. Saudi Arabia refuses to acknowledge the Arabs in Palestine as a legitimate people. They reject the idea of there being a Palestinian people because they do not recognise them as their historical neighbour. Here you have a Hamas member saying that Palestinians are a modern made up people, that "they are just Saudis and Egyptians": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwBSWN4s9JU#t=18

And finally, Lebanese journalist, Joseph Farah, wrote: "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism."

We are dealing with history, not religion.

I was telling that to the guy above me. Because he was using "Gawd" as an excuse. Well I don't like the idea of Ethnic Nationalism, so I don't support the idea of Zionism. However, I prefer Israel existence to Palestine, because I see the Israelis as the lesser of the evils. Seeing as Israel has a better standard of living than than it's Muslim neighbors, and is less barbaric to it's own people and less Religiously extreme than them. I'm more inclined to support it's existence due to the results of it's governing.

Wrong, Jews their are just as bad

for every Palestinian Crime There are at least on Jewish Crimes
Can't you just split the country officially you racist

[Neo Rome Republic]

I was telling that to the guy above me. Because he was using "Gawd" as an excuse. Well I don't like the idea of Ethnic Nationalism, so I don't support the idea of Zionism. However, I prefer Israel existence to Palestine, because I see the Israelis as the lesser of the evils. Seeing as Israel has a better standard of living than than it's Muslim neighbors, and is less barbaric to it's own people and less Religiously extreme than them. I'm more inclined to support it's existence due to the results of it's governing.

Wrong, Jews their are just as bad

for every Palestinian Crime There are at least on Jewish Crimes
Can't you just split the country officially you racist

Just as bad? Israel has the highest standard of living in the Middle East, that's not "just as bad". Racist? Really? The guy who opposes Ethnic Nationalism, is racist apparently. What I meant was, given the choice between Israel and Palestine, I would pick Israel. However, I personally don't like the idea of Ethnic Nationalism, and would prefer if a sort of co-existence, if gradual development of a one state solution between the two sides could be found.

[Sxvoryia]

Wrong, Jews their are just as bad

for every Palestinian Crime There are at least on Jewish Crimes
Can't you just split the country officially you racist

Just as bad? Israel has the highest standard of living in the Middle East, that's not "just as bad". Racist? Really? The guy who opposes Ethnic Nationalism, is racist apparently. What I meant was, given the choice between Israel and Palestine, I would pick Israel. However, I personally don't like the idea of Ethnic Nationalism, and would prefer if a sort of co-existence, if gradual development of a one state solution between the two sides could be found.

The Palestinian standard of life is so low because they are trapped in their homes and bombed all day. Some women can go outside without being assaulted by either Isrealite Soldiers or Jewish kids throwing rocks!

[The Alma Mater]

God, who else?

God also promised me that I would rule all of Eurasia by myself, so should I be crowned God-Emperor of Eurasia because an invisible man in the sky no one can prove exists said so?

Thor promised me your home. Please leave it in an orderly fashion while I move in. You are allowed to leave attractive daughters behind.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Just as bad? Israel has the highest standard of living in the Middle East, that's not "just as bad". Racist? Really? The guy who opposes Ethnic Nationalism, is racist apparently. What I meant was, given the choice between Israel and Palestine, I would pick Israel. However, I personally don't like the idea of Ethnic Nationalism, and would prefer if a sort of co-existence, if gradual development of a one state solution between the two sides could be found.

The Palestinian standard of life is so low because they are trapped in their homes and bombed all day. Some women can go outside without being assaulted by either Isrealite Soldiers or Jewish kids throwing rocks!

I never said Israel was perfect. But it's a lot better compared to the rest of the Middle East.

[Sxvoryia]

The Palestinian standard of life is so low because they are trapped in their homes and bombed all day. Some women can go outside without being assaulted by either Isrealite Soldiers or Jewish kids throwing rocks!

I never said Israel was perfect. But it's a lot better compared to the rest of the Middle East.

I'd rather worship the dumbest thing ever and live in a box in North Korea than support this Jewish Version of Nazism.

[Neo Rome Republic]

I never said Israel was perfect. But it's a lot better compared to the rest of the Middle East.

I'd rather worship the dumbest thing ever and live in a box in North Korea than support this Jewish Version of Nazism.

Well I'd pick Israel over almost every nation in the Middle East, or North Korea.
I don't support Israel, I technically don't have a side I wholly favor in this.
But if I had to pick the Arab World or Israel, I'd pick Israel, because at least it doesn't treat it's people like crap or enforce Theocratic laws.

[Sxvoryia]

God also promised me that I would rule all of Eurasia by myself, so should I be crowned God-Emperor of Eurasia because an invisible man in the sky no one can prove exists said so?

Thor promised me your home. Please leave it in an orderly fashion while I move in. You are allowed to leave attractive daughters behind.

Thanks for understanding!

[Washington Resistance Army]

God also promised me that I would rule all of Eurasia by myself, so should I be crowned God-Emperor of Eurasia because an invisible man in the sky no one can prove exists said so?

Thor promised me your home. Please leave it in an orderly fashion while I move in. You are allowed to leave attractive daughters behind.

Only after I attain God-Emperor status sir.

[The Alma Mater]

Thor promised me your home. Please leave it in an orderly fashion while I move in. You are allowed to leave attractive daughters behind.

Only after I attain God-Emperor status sir.

Well.. as the meme goes.. my god has a hammer. Your god was nailed to a cross.
I am sorry, my gods overrules yours. Thanks for the home

[United States Kingdom]

Wrong, Jews their are just as bad

for every Palestinian Crime There are at least on Jewish Crimes
Can't you just split the country officially you racist

Just as bad? Israel has the highest standard of living in the Middle East, that's not "just as bad". Racist? Really? The guy who opposes Ethnic Nationalism, is racist apparently. What I meant was, given the choice between Israel and Palestine, I would pick Israel. However, I personally don't like the idea of Ethnic Nationalism, and would prefer if a sort of co-existence, if gradual development of a one state solution between the two sides could be found.

Israel has gone through many wars and it has its own side of the story. That I reocgnize although despite being a little bit of an Israeli supporter, they have committed war crimes against the Palestine and they block of roads going into Palestine and they have hurt the fragile Palestinian economy.

' The following war in 2008-2009 destroyed all economic infrastructure, leaving the Palestinian economy without any remaining activity and owing $1.4 billion.[72]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of ... _relations

"By 2008, 71% of the Gaza Strip's population was unemployed.[72] The import and export prosperity in Palestine was impacted by the border restrictions and constant Israeli control in the West Bank and Gaza, which also weakened the industrial and agricultural sectors.[73]"

"In order for the Palestinian economy to be prosperous, the restrictions on Palestinian land must be removed.[15] In the West Bank, the Israeli restrictions caused the Palestinian economy to lose $3.4bn (%35 of the annual GDP), according to The Guardian and a report for World Bank.[74]"

[Washington Resistance Army]

Only after I attain God-Emperor status sir.

Well.. as the meme goes.. my god has a hammer. Your god was nailed to a cross.
I am sorry, my gods overrules yours. Thanks for the home

:c meanie head. Just wait, he'll come back eventually *grumbles*

But for reals, ethnic nationalism is bad m'kay? We kinda established that after the whole Greater Germany thing.

[United States Kingdom]

Zionsim is a form of Jewish extremism

Just stating that Palestinians have supported extremists as well and I am referring to Hamas which has committed terrorist acts.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Just as bad? Israel has the highest standard of living in the Middle East, that's not "just as bad". Racist? Really? The guy who opposes Ethnic Nationalism, is racist apparently. What I meant was, given the choice between Israel and Palestine, I would pick Israel. However, I personally don't like the idea of Ethnic Nationalism, and would prefer if a sort of co-existence, if gradual development of a one state solution between the two sides could be found.

Israel has gone through many wars and it has its own side of the story. That I reocgnize although despite being a little bit of an Israeli supporter, they have committed war crimes against the Palestine and they block of roads going into Palestine and they have hurt the fragile Palestinian economy.

' The following war in 2008-2009 destroyed all economic infrastructure, leaving the Palestinian economy without any remaining activity and owing $1.4 billion.[72]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of ... _relations

"By 2008, 71% of the Gaza Strip's population was unemployed.[72] The import and export prosperity in Palestine was impacted by the border restrictions and constant Israeli control in the West Bank and Gaza, which also weakened the industrial and agricultural sectors.[73]"

"In order for the Palestinian economy to be prosperous, the restrictions on Palestinian land must be removed.[15] In the West Bank, the Israeli restrictions caused the Palestinian economy to lose $3.4bn (%35 of the annual GDP), according to The Guardian and a report for World Bank.[74]"

I realize Israel isn't itself innocent in this, hence I have no side I wholly favor. But if one were to make me pick between the Arab World or Israel, I would choose Israel.

[Geilinor]

It is irrational to believe that the appropriate recompense and reparation for the persecution of Jews during and before the Holocaust should be the establishment of a state that is exclusively Jewish in nature. The human rights of Jews should be protected wherever they are. But no other religious group in our history has demanded or received such treatment. In order for Zionism to work, it requires the taking of someone else's land, which simply visits yet another injustice by one group of humans against another. The zionist philosophy has led to a state that is fundamentally exclusionary and discriminatory in nature and has been since its inception. Personally, I don't think any state should endorse a particular ethnic group or religion over another, which is exactly what zionism demands of a jewish state.

If zionists had found a place in the world that was not already inhabited by other people, then perhaps it could have worked without the negative consequences.

Zionism doesn't say the Jewish state has to be in an already inhabited place, but the only uninhabited place is Antarctica.

[The Alma Mater]

It is irrational to believe that the appropriate recompense and reparation for the persecution of Jews during and before the Holocaust should be the establishment of a state that is exclusively Jewish in nature. The human rights of Jews should be protected wherever they are. But no other religious group in our history has demanded or received such treatment. In order for Zionism to work, it requires the taking of someone else's land, which simply visits yet another injustice by one group of humans against another. The zionist philosophy has led to a state that is fundamentally exclusionary and discriminatory in nature and has been since its inception. Personally, I don't think any state should endorse a particular ethnic group or religion over another, which is exactly what zionism demands of a jewish state.

If zionists had found a place in the world that was not already inhabited by other people, then perhaps it could have worked without the negative consequences.

Zionism doesn't say the Jewish state has to be in an already inhabited place, but the only uninhabited place is Antarctica.

Plenty of unihabited deserts. The oceans and even the other celestial bodies in our solar system also have lots of room.
All however would be hideously expensive to make suitable for people to live. But perhaps humanity should start doing that anyway.

[The Serbian Empire]

I think being against Zionism is closeted anti-Semitism at this point. It's siding with Hamas and Hezbollah who want to complete the job of the pogroms and those Germans we shall not speak of. The only place for the Jewish people that isn't occupied is a continent of ice and snow and to be fair, unfit for human population beyond the occasional scientific expedition.

[Ucropi]

I think being against Zionism is closeted anti-Semitism at this point. It's siding with Hamas and Hezbollah who want to complete the job of the pogroms and those Germans we shall not speak of. The only place for the Jewish people that isn't occupied is a continent of ice and snow and to be fair, unfit for human population beyond the occasional scientific expedition.

And allowing muslims to pray in America clearly mean you support Al-Qaeda right?

I'm against Zionism because I don't think we should segregate people based on their religion skin colour etc.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I think being against Zionism is closeted anti-Semitism at this point. It's siding with Hamas and Hezbollah who want to complete the job of the pogroms and those Germans we shall not speak of. The only place for the Jewish people that isn't occupied is a continent of ice and snow and to be fair, unfit for human population beyond the occasional scientific expedition.

I don't support Greater Israel and ethnic nationalism therefore I'm an anti Semite. Kay.

[Nansurium]

I think being against Zionism is closeted anti-Semitism at this point. It's siding with Hamas and Hezbollah who want to complete the job of the pogroms and those Germans we shall not speak of. The only place for the Jewish people that isn't occupied is a continent of ice and snow and to be fair, unfit for human population beyond the occasional scientific expedition.

Oh, darn. They caught us. The fact that I don't think that Jews should be able to steal peoples land and oppress them must mean that I'm a holocaust denying anti-semite.

[Cetatsenia]

Fairytales? Zionism has nothing to do with religion. Zionism is a political ideology defending Jewish ethnicity, not religion. There is concrete evidence of Jewish history on the land. The same cannot be said for the Arabs. Palestine is rich of Jewish archaeological history. This proves that Jews are native to this land. The Arabs did not arrive to Palestine until the Muslim Conquest which brought them through Palestine all the way through North Africa, ending in southern Europe. Arabs are from Arabia, not the Levant, which is where Palestine is located. The term "Palestine" is not even an Arab word. It is Greek, coined by the Romans to denote the region. Never was it used to denote a people. No one had ever referred to themselves as "Palestinian" until 1967 after the Six-Day-War. Before 1967, they were proudly Jordanian, proudly Syrian, proudly Lebanese, and proudly Saudi Arabian. Saudi Arabia refuses to acknowledge the Arabs in Palestine as a legitimate people. They reject the idea of there being a Palestinian people because they do not recognise them as their historical neighbour. Here you have a Hamas member saying that Palestinians are a modern made up people, that "they are just Saudis and Egyptians": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwBSWN4s9JU#t=18

And finally, Lebanese journalist, Joseph Farah, wrote: "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism."

We are dealing with history, not religion.

So because the Jewish people were there before the Arab conquest the land belongs to them? No, that's not how it works. By that logic we should kick the English out of Great Britain because it belonged to the Celts first until the Anlo-Saxons sailed over and conquered it. And there are numerous examples of this taking place throughout history. You can't just say 'these people lived here centuries ago before being conquered and forced out by another people, therefore we should give them the land despite the fact that there are people living there now'.

[The Serbian Empire]

I think being against Zionism is closeted anti-Semitism at this point. It's siding with Hamas and Hezbollah who want to complete the job of the pogroms and those Germans we shall not speak of. The only place for the Jewish people that isn't occupied is a continent of ice and snow and to be fair, unfit for human population beyond the occasional scientific expedition.

And allowing muslims to pray in America clearly mean you support Al-Qaeda right?

I'm against Zionism because I don't think we should segregate people based on their religion skin colour etc.

The problem is where do you put the Jews as to let them not be attacked by anti-Semites? Laws against hate crimes aren't enough of a carrot to slay the anti-Semite who is told the Jew is the reason they're poor (bankers have historically been Jewish) or that the Jew is what killed Jesus.

[The Second Aryan Reich]

Because imagine what would happen if we let every religion have its own state..... Letting the Jews do it just opens up a huge can of worms. #FreePalestine

[The Scientific States]

Because it's a nationalistic movement that allows Israel to take over land where people don't identify themselves as Jewish or Israelite, which can cause serious tensions.

[Ucropi]

And allowing muslims to pray in America clearly mean you support Al-Qaeda right?

I'm against Zionism because I don't think we should segregate people based on their religion skin colour etc.

The problem is where do you put the Jews as to let them not be attacked by anti-Semites? Laws against hate crimes aren't enough of a carrot to slay the anti-Semite who is told the Jew is the reason they're poor (bankers have historically been Jewish) or that the Jew is what killed Jesus.

Fun fact: Jesus was a practising Jew all his life. Christianity is/was a Jewish cult. The solution is not to hide the Jews away the solution is education.