*points at atheists* It's not "literally" an evolutionary characteristic. if anything it's social evolution which can change on a whim.
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by Ucropi » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:34 am
by Aushanit » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:34 am
by The Alma Mater » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:36 am
by Ucropi » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:40 am
Cyyro wrote:Pretty sure all the Jews who were Zionists could just put their money together and buy the land from palestine.
by Diakhopol » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:43 am
by Ucropi » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:45 am
Diakhopol wrote:Why be against Zionism? Because the way they practice it nowadays is actually kinda crypto-fascist. With discrimination against black jews, palestinians, some free speech problems, compulsory military service, things like that.
The "This land is ours, God gave it to us!" attitude is sooo 2000 BC.
(In theory, I'm not against Israel, but how Israel works today upsets me.)
by Neo Rome Republic » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:48 am
by Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:54 am
by Neo Rome Republic » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:56 am
by Kilobugya » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:05 am
by Israel-Judah » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:16 am
Zapato wrote:Hertzlia wrote:For those who don't know, Zionism is a political movement that emerged in the second half of the 19th century, which calls for the creation of a jewish state. It is a branch of nationalism, but differs in the fact that instead of creating a state for a nationality (Italian, German, Chinese), it aims to create a state for members of a certain religion (Judaism). While Judaism is not exactly a nationality, all jews have many traits in common, including language (Hebrew), culture (Judaism), and a common history (the bible/ ancient Israel). Jews have been prosecuted for many years and they still are for various reasons. The State of Israel was founded after WWII (and the holocaust) for that precise reason. While Israel in it's many years of existence has generated many controversies, it doesn't represent the end goals of Zionism. Criticizing Zionism because of Israel's mistakes is like criticising Nazi Germany because of Nationalism (although it is impossible to compare Israel with Nazi Germany). I understand people who are against Israel, but why be against Zionism?
Please do not bring up the Palestinian-Israeli debate, there are other threads for that but limit the discussion to Zionism.
Probably because its real world consequence is that it aims to create a state for members of a certain religion (Judaism) in a place where many people who are not members of said religion already live.
by Neo Rome Republic » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:31 am
Sxvoryia wrote:Wrong
Zionism is the act in which someone of any religion takes their religion too far!
The Israelites are no better than the Nazis who tried to kill them.
An example of Non-Jew related Zionism ;Osama Bin Laden was an Islamic Zionist who took his religion too far by terrorism
The KKK were hypocritical Christian Zionists
by Sxvoryia » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:31 am
by Sxvoryia » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:32 am
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Sxvoryia wrote:Wrong
Zionism is the act in which someone of any religion takes their religion too far!
The Israelites are no better than the Nazis who tried to kill them.
An example of Non-Jew related Zionism ;Osama Bin Laden was an Islamic Zionist who took his religion too far by terrorism
The KKK were hypocritical Christian Zionists
Wrong. Learn the definition of a word, before you use it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
by Cetatsenia » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:33 am
Sxvoryia wrote:Wrong
Zionism is the act in which someone of any religion takes their religion too far!
The Israelites are no better than the Nazis who tried to kill them.
An example of Non-Jew related Zionism ;Osama Bin Laden was an Islamic Zionist who took his religion too far by terrorism
The KKK were hypocritical Christian Zionists
by Israel-Judah » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:34 am
by Ucropi » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:36 am
Israel-Judah wrote:NEO Rome Republic wrote:Fairytales don't make for a valid land lease.
Fairytales? Zionism has nothing to do with religion. Zionism is an atheist ideology defending Jewish ethnicity, not religion. There is concrete evidence of Jewish history on the land. The same cannot be said for the Arabs. Palestine is rich of Jewish archaeological history. This proves that Jews are native to this land. The Arabs did not arrive to Palestine until the Muslim Conquest which brought them through Palestine all the way through North Africa, ending in southern Europe. Arabs are from Arabia, not the Levant, which is where Palestine is located. The term "Palestine" is not even an Arab word. It is Greek, coined by the Romans to denote the region. Never was it used to denote a people. No one had ever referred to themselves as "Palestinian" until 1967 after the Six-Day-War. Before 1967, they were proudly Jordanian, proudly Syrian, proudly Lebanese, and proudly Saudi Arabian. Saudi Arabia refuses to acknowledge the Arabs in Palestine as a legitimate people. They reject the idea of there being a Palestinian people because they do not recognise them as their historical neighbour. Here you have a Hamas member saying that Palestinians are a modern made up people, that "they are just Saudis and Egyptians": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwBSWN4s9JU#t=18
And finally, Lebanese journalist, Joseph Farah, wrote: "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism."
We are dealing with history, not religion.
by Israel-Judah » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:37 am
by Ucropi » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:39 am
by Sxvoryia » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:40 am
Israel-Judah wrote:NEO Rome Republic wrote:Fairytales don't make for a valid land lease.
Fairytales? Zionism has nothing to do with religion. Zionism is a political ideology defending Jewish ethnicity, not religion. There is concrete evidence of Jewish history on the land. The same cannot be said for the Arabs. Palestine is rich of Jewish archaeological history. This proves that Jews are native to this land. The Arabs did not arrive to Palestine until the Muslim Conquest which brought them through Palestine all the way through North Africa, ending in southern Europe. Arabs are from Arabia, not the Levant, which is where Palestine is located. The term "Palestine" is not even an Arab word. It is Greek, coined by the Romans to denote the region. Never was it used to denote a people. No one had ever referred to themselves as "Palestinian" until 1967 after the Six-Day-War. Before 1967, they were proudly Jordanian, proudly Syrian, proudly Lebanese, and proudly Saudi Arabian. Saudi Arabia refuses to acknowledge the Arabs in Palestine as a legitimate people. They reject the idea of there being a Palestinian people because they do not recognise them as their historical neighbour. Here you have a Hamas member saying that Palestinians are a modern made up people, that "they are just Saudis and Egyptians": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwBSWN4s9JU#t=18
And finally, Lebanese journalist, Joseph Farah, wrote: "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism."
We are dealing with history, not religion.
by Neo Rome Republic » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:40 am
Israel-Judah wrote:NEO Rome Republic wrote:Fairytales don't make for a valid land lease.
Fairytales? Zionism has nothing to do with religion. Zionism is an atheist ideology defending Jewish ethnicity, not religion. There is concrete evidence of Jewish history on the land. The same cannot be said for the Arabs. Palestine is rich of Jewish archaeological history. This proves that Jews are native to this land. The Arabs did not arrive to Palestine until the Muslim Conquest which brought them through Palestine all the way through North Africa, ending in southern Europe. Arabs are from Arabia, not the Levant, which is where Palestine is located. The term "Palestine" is not even an Arab word. It is Greek, coined by the Romans to denote the region. Never was it used to denote a people. No one had ever referred to themselves as "Palestinian" until 1967 after the Six-Day-War. Before 1967, they were proudly Jordanian, proudly Syrian, proudly Lebanese, and proudly Saudi Arabian. Saudi Arabia refuses to acknowledge the Arabs in Palestine as a legitimate people. They reject the idea of there being a Palestinian people because they do not recognise them as their historical neighbour. Here you have a Hamas member saying that Palestinians are a modern made up people, that "they are just Saudis and Egyptians": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwBSWN4s9JU#t=18
And finally, Lebanese journalist, Joseph Farah, wrote: "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism."
We are dealing with history, not religion.
by Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:41 am
Israel-Judah wrote:NEO Rome Republic wrote:Fairytales don't make for a valid land lease.
Fairytales? Zionism has nothing to do with religion. Zionism is an atheist ideology defending Jewish ethnicity, not religion. There is concrete evidence of Jewish history on the land. The same cannot be said for the Arabs. Palestine is rich of Jewish archaeological history. This proves that Jews are native to this land. The Arabs did not arrive to Palestine until the Muslim Conquest which brought them through Palestine all the way through North Africa, ending in southern Europe. Arabs are from Arabia, not the Levant, which is where Palestine is located. The term "Palestine" is not even an Arab word. It is Greek, coined by the Romans to denote the region. Never was it used to denote a people. No one had ever referred to themselves as "Palestinian" until 1967 after the Six-Day-War. Before 1967, they were proudly Jordanian, proudly Syrian, proudly Lebanese, and proudly Saudi Arabian. Saudi Arabia refuses to acknowledge the Arabs in Palestine as a legitimate people. They reject the idea of there being a Palestinian people because they do not recognise them as their historical neighbour. Here you have a Hamas member saying that Palestinians are a modern made up people, that "they are just Saudis and Egyptians": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwBSWN4s9JU#t=18
And finally, Lebanese journalist, Joseph Farah, wrote: "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism."
We are dealing with history, not religion.
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