Should the UK loosen handgun restrictions?

[Gun Manufacturers]

No, those are all weapons for killing people. We use them in sport now because they make for good competition.

The ones used in the sports are not meant to be used for killing.

They are just as lethal as those used for hunting/war.

[Ardoki]

Examples?

Every less then lethal firearm currently employed worldwide by various armed forces, would be a great starter.

Every less then lethal hippopotamus currently employed worldwide by various armed forces, would be a great starter.

[Ardoki]

The ones used in the sports are not meant to be used for killing.

So then you'd be fine with civilian ownership of sport shooting firearms?

As long as they are not capable of easily killing a human.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Every less then lethal firearm currently employed worldwide by various armed forces, would be a great starter.

Every less then lethal hippopotamus currently employed worldwide by various armed forces, would be a great starter.

That doesn't even make logical sense. Even more so, then the rest of you're asinine argument so far.

[Ardoki]

The ones used in the sports are not meant to be used for killing.

They are just as lethal as those used for hunting/war.

Really?

A discus is nowhere near as lethal as a gun.

[Imperializt Russia]

What a Ignorant view you have.

Hate to break it to you, but a competition .22 isn't designed to kill.

It can kill however.

An epee, cannot kill, easily.

I could do some serious damage with my piddly 30# recurve bow.
Competition-legal compound bows launch hundred-grain arrowheads at 315fps. That's rifle projectile sort of power.

[Paddy O Fernature]

They are just as lethal as those used for hunting/war.

Really?

A discus is nowhere near as lethal as a gun.

Those goalposts must be really light, in order to move them around such as you are.

*Edit*

Nice edit kid.

[Ifreann]

Every less then lethal firearm currently employed worldwide by various armed forces, would be a great starter.

Every less then lethal hippopotamus currently employed worldwide by various armed forces, would be a great starter.

Hippos are actually incredibly deadly, ranking among the most dangerous animals in Africa.

[Imperializt Russia]

Firearms sold to the UK civilian market by RusMilitary are, well, UK civilian market spec.
Where (GB) "self defence" is not an acceptable use for your firearm.
The 27 inch barrel is meant to sort of reinforce that point. It's for hunting, target shooting and generally being awesome.

So you admit it is designed for killing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting

Oh pedantry, how fun, I thought you were just referring to the killing of humans.
I believe I also said target shooting.

[Gun Manufacturers]

They have the word military everywhere. Do you mean to say military guns are not designed for killing?

Firearms sold to the UK civilian market by RusMilitary are, well, UK civilian market spec.
Where (GB) "self defence" is not an acceptable use for your firearm.
The 27 inch barrel is meant to sort of reinforce that point. It's for hunting, target shooting and generally being awesome.

One of the barrels that I have for my 870 is 30". That way, if I miss the clay target with the shot, I can still hit it with the end of the barrel.

[Ardoki]

Every less then lethal hippopotamus currently employed worldwide by various armed forces, would be a great starter.

That doesn't even make logical sense. Even more so, then the rest of you're asinine argument so far.

You didn't provide any evidence. All you did was say there are examples, without providing any.

I merely showed you how your statement did not answer my question.

[Ardoki]

Really?

A discus is nowhere near as lethal as a gun.

Those goalposts must be really light, in order to move them around such as you are.

*Edit*

Nice edit kid.

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[Paddy O Fernature]

That doesn't even make logical sense. Even more so, then the rest of you're asinine argument so far.

You didn't provide any evidence. All you did was say there are examples, without providing any.

I merely showed you how your statement did not answer my question.

Suuuure you did. My examples were more then sufficient, regardless of the fact that you refuse to recognize them to be or not.

You: All military weapons are designed to kill!
Me: No, not all are.
You: Oh yeah, prove it!
Me: Less then lethal weapons are a great example of this.
You: That doesn't prove a god damned thing.
Everyone else: Facepalm.

[Ardoki]

Target shooting would be allowed.

However the firearms used, would have to be owned by the shooting range, and kept there at all times.

[Ifreann]

So then you'd be fine with civilian ownership of sport shooting firearms?

As long as they are not capable of easily killing a human.

I don't think you understand just how easily humans can be killed. People have died from a single punch. So if a fist can easily kill a human, then you're going to have to ban literally everything if that's the standard you want in place.

[Ardoki]

As long as they are not capable of easily killing a human.

I don't think you understand just how easily humans can be killed. People have died from a single punch. So if a fist can easily kill a human, then you're going to have to ban literally everything if that's the standard you want in place.

A bullet shot to the head, is more lethal than a punch to the head.

[Paddy O Fernature]

I don't think you understand just how easily humans can be killed. People have died from a single punch. So if a fist can easily kill a human, then you're going to have to ban literally everything if that's the standard you want in place.

A bullet shot to the head, is more lethal than a punch to the head.

Not really. They both can be just as effecting (or not) at killing someone based upon any number of factors.

[Imperializt Russia]

Target shooting would be allowed.

However the firearms used, would have to be owned by the shooting range, and kept there at all times.

Then what's the point?

I don't think you understand just how easily humans can be killed. People have died from a single punch. So if a fist can easily kill a human, then you're going to have to ban literally everything if that's the standard you want in place.

A bullet shot to the head, is more lethal than a punch to the head.

gooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalposts.

[Ardoki]

A bullet shot to the head, is more lethal than a punch to the head.

Not really. They both can be just as effecting (or not) at killing someone based upon any number of factors.

The vast majority of people who died as the result of punches, usually died from the injuries they suffered when their head rebounded off the ground. The died as a result of the punch, not by it.

However the injuries from a bullet, cause almost all gun related deaths.

[Gun Manufacturers]

They are just as lethal as those used for hunting/war.

Really?

A discus is nowhere near as lethal as a gun.

I'm more referring to the bow and the javelin. A bow or javelin made for sport is no less deadly than one made for hunting or war.

[Ardoki]

Target shooting would be allowed.

However the firearms used, would have to be owned by the shooting range, and kept there at all times.

Then what's the point?

If they want to shoot, they have to hire a gun at a shooting range.

Simple.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Then what's the point?

If they want to shoot, they have to hire a gun at a shooting range.

Simple.

They what now?

[Ardoki]

Really?

A discus is nowhere near as lethal as a gun.

I'm more referring to the bow and the javelin. A bow or javelin made for sport is no less deadly than one made for hunting or war.

Can one javelin kill several people? No. However a gun can.

It is clear which one is more deadly.

[Ardoki]

If they want to shoot, they have to hire a gun at a shooting range.

Simple.

They what now?

Target shooting would be allowed.

However the firearms used, would have to be owned by the shooting range, and kept there at all times.

[Ifreann]

I don't think you understand just how easily humans can be killed. People have died from a single punch. So if a fist can easily kill a human, then you're going to have to ban literally everything if that's the standard you want in place.

A bullet shot to the head, is more lethal than a punch to the head.

You said "easily" and punching someone in the head is not difficult.