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What does the Confederate battle flag mean to you?

Poll ended at Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:59 am

Racisism
375
22%
Southern Heritage
289
17%
Southern Pride
298
17%
Remembrance
163
9%
HERITAGE NOT HATE
168
10%
Slavery
342
20%
Saint Andrew's cross
91
5%
 
Total votes : 1726

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Postby TheConfederate States of America » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:27 pm

Who is saying that one religion is better than another?

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Postby Spirit of Hope » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:28 pm

TheConfederate States of America wrote:Who is saying that one religion is better than another?

You, by saying that it is ok for one person to force another person to attend the religious ceremonies of the first persons choosing.
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Postby Aurinsula » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:29 pm

TheConfederate States of America wrote:Who is saying that one religion is better than another?

Let me ask you this. If a person dragooned your ass out of bed every Saturday at dawn to make you recite a prayer to the Amitabha Buddha, would you feel comfortable with that?

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Postby The Floating Island of the Sleeping God » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:31 pm

Aurinsula wrote:
TheConfederate States of America wrote:Who is saying that one religion is better than another?

Let me ask you this. If a person dragooned your ass out of bed every Saturday at dawn to make you recite a prayer to the Amitabha Buddha, would you feel comfortable with that?

Also, that person owns you and beats you and forces you to work for them for your entire life. But the religion thing, that's a feature too.
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Postby TheConfederate States of America » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:40 pm

Aurinsula wrote:
TheConfederate States of America wrote:Who is saying that one religion is better than another?

Let me ask you this. If a person dragooned your ass out of bed every Saturday at dawn to make you recite a prayer to the Amitabha Buddha, would you feel comfortable with that?


Hey i'm open to cultural diversity. :roll:

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Postby The Floating Island of the Sleeping God » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:43 pm

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
Aurinsula wrote:Let me ask you this. If a person dragooned your ass out of bed every Saturday at dawn to make you recite a prayer to the Amitabha Buddha, would you feel comfortable with that?


Hey i'm open to cultural diversity. :roll:

*whoosh*
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Postby TheConfederate States of America » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:47 pm

The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:
Aurinsula wrote:Let me ask you this. If a person dragooned your ass out of bed every Saturday at dawn to make you recite a prayer to the Amitabha Buddha, would you feel comfortable with that?

Also, that person owns you and beats you and forces you to work for them for your entire life. But the religion thing, that's a feature too.


How bad and what for?

As long as I get paid with a place to stay, get new clothes every month and and get three meals a day and I'm treated well with all my chores and i'm cared for while i'm sick or hurt I wouldn't mind it at all.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:48 pm

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:Also, that person owns you and beats you and forces you to work for them for your entire life. But the religion thing, that's a feature too.


How bad and what for?

As long as I get paid with a place to stay, get new clothes every month and and get three meals a day and I'm treated well with all my chores and i'm cared for while i'm sick or hurt I wouldn't mind it at all.


:rofl:
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:50 pm

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:Also, that person owns you and beats you and forces you to work for them for your entire life. But the religion thing, that's a feature too.


How bad and what for?

As long as I get paid with a place to stay, get new clothes every month and and get three meals a day and I'm treated well with all my chores and i'm cared for while i'm sick or hurt I wouldn't mind it at all.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking hell.
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Postby Our Governator » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:52 pm

I've always lived in the far north. But let me tell you, the racist hicks at my high school used to fly one from the top of their trucks. It's not their heritage. They just didn't like black people.
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Postby United States of The One Percent » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:52 pm

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:Also, that person owns you and beats you and forces you to work for them for your entire life. But the religion thing, that's a feature too.


How bad and what for?

As long as I get paid with a place to stay, get new clothes every month and and get three meals a day and I'm treated well with all my chores and i'm cared for while i'm sick or hurt I wouldn't mind it at all.


Someone needs to go see "12 Years a Slave." Or read a fucking book.
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Postby Our Governator » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:52 pm

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
TheConfederate States of America wrote:
How bad and what for?

As long as I get paid with a place to stay, get new clothes every month and and get three meals a day and I'm treated well with all my chores and i'm cared for while i'm sick or hurt I wouldn't mind it at all.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking hell.

Was that a joke? Please tell me that was a joke
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Postby The Floating Island of the Sleeping God » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:52 pm

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:Also, that person owns you and beats you and forces you to work for them for your entire life. But the religion thing, that's a feature too.


How bad and what for?

As long as I get paid with a place to stay, get new clothes every month and and get three meals a day and I'm treated well with all my chores and i'm cared for while i'm sick or hurt I wouldn't mind it at all.

I fucking can't. I swear to god, I just fucking can't right now. I just---I just---! DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT A SLAVE IS? HONEST FUCKING QUESTION, DO YOU?
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:52 pm

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:Also, that person owns you and beats you and forces you to work for them for your entire life. But the religion thing, that's a feature too.


How bad and what for?

As long as I get paid with a place to stay, get new clothes every month and and get three meals a day and I'm treated well with all my chores and i'm cared for while i'm sick or hurt I wouldn't mind it at all.

New clothes once a month? You would be lucky if you got new clothes once a year as a slave in the South.

Right ok, you also can't leave or get married and the person owning you can at any time sell you to anyone else.

Once again let us not forget that if for any reason you displease him he has the right to have you whipped.

Though I should say at this point I am not sure how serious you are.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:53 pm

Our Governator wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking hell.

Was that a joke? Please tell me that was a joke


At this point you'd hope it is, just so it is not as sad.
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Postby Our Governator » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:54 pm

The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:
TheConfederate States of America wrote:
How bad and what for?

As long as I get paid with a place to stay, get new clothes every month and and get three meals a day and I'm treated well with all my chores and i'm cared for while i'm sick or hurt I wouldn't mind it at all.

I fucking can't. I swear to god, I just fucking can't right now. I just---I just---! DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT A SLAVE IS? HONEST FUCKING QUESTION, DO YOU?

Clearly this person romanticized slavery. He needs to go outside. Let him go. Pray for him.
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Postby TheConfederate States of America » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:57 pm

I'm starting to wonder why you folks keep posting here.
I mean why is it you insist on arguing?

And why is it that when shown the other side of the story it is "revisionist?"

Isn't that what being biased is?

You guys should really try to consider the other side of the story two.

Do you think that St. Andrew's Cross should be banned from flying?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:57 pm

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
TheConfederate States of America wrote:
How bad and what for?

As long as I get paid with a place to stay, get new clothes every month and and get three meals a day and I'm treated well with all my chores and i'm cared for while i'm sick or hurt I wouldn't mind it at all.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking hell.


But they sang in the fields so they must have been happy.
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Postby Our Governator » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:58 pm

TheConfederate States of America wrote:I'm starting to wonder why you folks keep posting here.
I mean why is it you insist on arguing?

And why is it that when shown the other side of the story it is "revisionist?"

Isn't that what being biased is?

You guys should really try to consider the other side of the story two.

Do you think that St. Andrew's Cross should be banned from flying?

I don't think it should be banned, but I don't think the swastika should be banned either. Or the Canadian flag. Stupid leaves.
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Postby Our Governator » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:58 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking hell.


But they sang in the fields so they must have been happy.

like Kurt Cobain in a way
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:00 pm

TheConfederate States of America wrote:I'm starting to wonder why you folks keep posting here.
I mean why is it you insist on arguing?

And why is it that when shown the other side of the story it is "revisionist?"

Isn't that what being biased is?

You guys should really try to consider the other side of the story two.

Do you think that St. Andrew's Cross should be banned from flying?


The St. Andrew's cross shouldn't be really banned from flying, in private property.

In public property that's a whole other issue.
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Postby TheConfederate States of America » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:04 pm

Our Governator wrote:I've always lived in the far north. But let me tell you, the racist hicks at my high school used to fly one from the top of their trucks. It's not their heritage. They just didn't like black people.


How do you know they where racist?
Because they had confederate battle flags?

If not then they are dumbasses and they make the rest of the south look bad.

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Postby TheConfederate States of America » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:11 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
TheConfederate States of America wrote:I'm starting to wonder why you folks keep posting here.
I mean why is it you insist on arguing?

And why is it that when shown the other side of the story it is "revisionist?"

Isn't that what being biased is?

You guys should really try to consider the other side of the story two.

Do you think that St. Andrew's Cross should be banned from flying?


The St. Andrew's cross shouldn't be really banned from flying, in private property.

In public property that's a whole other issue.


Ok what about at a confederate monument or in Washinton and Lee university's Lee chapel where Robert E Lee is buried?

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Postby Our Governator » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:12 pm

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
Our Governator wrote:I've always lived in the far north. But let me tell you, the racist hicks at my high school used to fly one from the top of their trucks. It's not their heritage. They just didn't like black people.


How do you know they where racist?
Because they had confederate battle flags?

If not then they are dumbasses and they make the rest of the south look bad.

Hint: they called black people the N-word
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Postby United States of The One Percent » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:20 pm

TheConfederate States of America wrote:Ok what about at a confederate monument or in Washinton and Lee university's Lee chapel where Robert E Lee is buried?


Now that would be a decision for Washington and Lee University, wouldn't it? And they just made one if I'm not mistaken:

1. The question about the regimental battle flags in Lee Chapel requires us to clarify the purpose, meaning and history of the flags, as well as the purpose and meaning of the chapel and the museum below the chapel. In 1930, several original and historic battle flags - "colors" that had been captured or surrendered to the Union army - were placed near the statue of Lee. The University did not own them. They were the property of the Museum of the Confederacy, now part of the American Civil War Museum, which asked us to return them in the 1990s because the manner of display in the chapel was causing their deterioration. They were replaced with reproductions, which are not historic and are not genuine artifacts.

The purpose of historic flags in a university setting is to educate. They are not to be displayed for decoration, which would diminish their significance, or for glorification, or to make a statement about past conflicts. The reproductions are not genuinely historic; nor are they displayed with any information or background about what they are. The absence of such explanation allows those who either "oppose" or "support" them to assert their own subjective and frequently incorrect interpretations.

Consequently, we will remove these reproductions from their current location and will enter into an agreement with the American Civil War Museum, in Richmond, to receive on loan one or more of the original flags, now restored, for display on a rotating basis in the Lee Chapel Museum, the appropriate location for such a display. In this way, those who wish to view these artifacts may do so, and the stories behind them can be properly told. You may view a history of the flags in the chapel at http://go.wlu.edu/chapel-flags-history.


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