The Confederate battle flag

[Ifreann]

The flag is not racist, if it had a group of white people lynching a black guy sure, pretty racist. The people who support this flag more often than not are racist.

Strange how you've abandoned your old argument in favour of this new semantic angle...

[TheConfederate States of America]

The flag is not racist, if it had a group of white people lynching a black guy sure, pretty racist. The people who support this flag more often than not are racist.

Oh wow, semantics! That's never been brought up before! Thank you for this new insight. Silly us, thinking that symbols had meaning. /sarcasm. No shit it's not racist, it's a piece of cloth. Doesn't mean it can't stand for racism, though.

That's the same as saying "it's racist"

[Dakini]

The flag is not racist, if it had a group of white people lynching a black guy sure, pretty racist. The people who support this flag more often than not are racist.

Strange how you've abandoned your old argument in favour of this new semantic angle...

Nah, you know as well as I do that he's only temporarily abandoned it. Give it a few pages and he'll bring it back as though it's some new, clever thing.

[Ucropi]

The flag is not racist, if it had a group of white people lynching a black guy sure, pretty racist. The people who support this flag more often than not are racist.

Strange how you've abandoned your old argument in favour of this new semantic angle...

Strange how you think that people who have nothing to do with the issue cannot see both angles. I said early on that I believed it was associated with racism due to the people who constantly wave it and I was interested in WHY it was perceived this way. If you have nothing to add to the topic please don't spam the thread.

[Moon Cows]

I see nothing wrong with remembering the people who died in the South during the Civil War. It is a symbol of remembrance and heritage, nothing more.

[Ifreann]

Strange how you've abandoned your old argument in favour of this new semantic angle...

Nah, you know as well as I do that he's only temporarily abandoned it. Give it a few pages and he'll bring it back as though it's some new, clever thing.

Hey Dakini, did you know that Lincoln only freed the slaves to cripple the South's agriculture based economy?

[Dakini]

Oh wow, semantics! That's never been brought up before! Thank you for this new insight. Silly us, thinking that symbols had meaning. /sarcasm. No shit it's not racist, it's a piece of cloth. Doesn't mean it can't stand for racism, though.

That's the same as saying "it's racist"

That's what the symbol means, yes. The flag itself is technically incapable of feelings on race since it is not sentient... which is the "argument" you were seeming to agree with at the end of the last page.

[Ucropi]

Nah, you know as well as I do that he's only temporarily abandoned it. Give it a few pages and he'll bring it back as though it's some new, clever thing.

Hey Dakini, did you know that Lincoln only freed the slaves to cripple the South's agriculture based economy?

So you're saying Lincoln isn't the hero that most americans make him out to? He saw a way to hurt the south and took it?

[Dakini]

Nah, you know as well as I do that he's only temporarily abandoned it. Give it a few pages and he'll bring it back as though it's some new, clever thing.

Hey Dakini, did you know that Lincoln only freed the slaves to cripple the South's agriculture based economy?

Holy shit, I did not! Did you know that the US revolution only happened because the slaveholders in the colonies wanted to keep slavery, therefore the US revolution is exactly the same as the US civil war in every possible way.

[Dakini]

Hey Dakini, did you know that Lincoln only freed the slaves to cripple the South's agriculture based economy?

So you're saying Lincoln isn't the hero that most americans make him out to? He saw a way to hurt the south and took it?

Your sarcasm detector is broken. Nobody could possibly believe such a stupid claim.

[Ucropi]

So you're saying Lincoln isn't the hero that most americans make him out to? He saw a way to hurt the south and took it?

Your sarcasm detector is broken.

The thread is about the Confederate flag not sarcasm please keep on topic.

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

Hey Dakini, did you know that Lincoln only freed the slaves to cripple the South's agriculture based economy?

So you're saying Lincoln isn't the hero that most americans make him out to? He saw a way to hurt the south and took it?

Pssssst. He was making fun of you and the other guys who make a point, abandon it, wait a few pages, and then say it again and act like it's something new. Somebody literally made that point one or two pages ago.

[Dakini]

Your sarcasm detector is broken.

The thread is about the Confederate flag not sarcasm please keep on topic.

So far I've been doing a much better job at this than you so maybe take the log out of your own eye.

So you're saying Lincoln isn't the hero that most americans make him out to? He saw a way to hurt the south and took it?

Pssssst. He was making fun of you and the other guys who make a point, abandon it, wait a few pages, and then say it again and act like it's something new. Somebody literally made that point one or two pages ago.

Yeah, Ucropi made that "point" one or two pages ago.

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

Strange how you've abandoned your old argument in favour of this new semantic angle...

Strange how you think that people who have nothing to do with the issue cannot see both angles. I said early on that I believed it was associated with racism due to the people who constantly wave it and I was interested in WHY it was perceived this way. If you have nothing to add to the topic please don't spam the thread.

It's perceived that way because it only ever existed to represent the CSA. The point has been argued to the moon and back whether the CSA was inherently racist, and those who think it was feel that anything created to directly represent it is, by association, representing racism.

[Cannot think of a name]

I see nothing wrong with remembering the people who died in the South during the Civil War. It is a symbol of remembrance and heritage, nothing more.

Who says we're not? We're just also remembering what they fought and died for. The right to keep human beings as property.

[Ifreann]

Hey Dakini, did you know that Lincoln only freed the slaves to cripple the South's agriculture based economy?

So you're saying Lincoln isn't the hero that most americans make him out to? He saw a way to hurt the south and took it?

No, I'm mocking you.

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Hey Dakini, did you know that Lincoln only freed the slaves to cripple the South's agriculture based economy?

Holy shit, I did not! Did you know that the US revolution only happened because the slaveholders in the colonies wanted to keep slavery, therefore the US revolution is exactly the same as the US civil war in every possible way.

This thread is so educational.

[Dakini]

So you're saying Lincoln isn't the hero that most americans make him out to? He saw a way to hurt the south and took it?

No, I'm mocking you.

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Holy shit, I did not! Did you know that the US revolution only happened because the slaveholders in the colonies wanted to keep slavery, therefore the US revolution is exactly the same as the US civil war in every possible way.

This thread is so educational.

I know. Also, didn't you know that Southern California was totally part of the South? It's right there in the name.

[Ucropi]

So you're saying Lincoln isn't the hero that most americans make him out to? He saw a way to hurt the south and took it?

Pssssst. He was making fun of you and the other guys who make a point, abandon it, wait a few pages, and then say it again and act like it's something new. Somebody literally made that point one or two pages ago.

Ifreann is making fun of me? Oh no a BRONY doesn't like me.

In all seriousness I studied history in University. I LOVE history. If the South hadn't secede the North wouldn't have freed the slaves. I know it's taught differently in America (you know the country where the North won the civil war and Lincoln is a hero), but countries always teach propaganda and if you can't see that there is no help.

[Avenio]

I see nothing wrong with remembering the people who died in the South during the Civil War. It is a symbol of remembrance and heritage, nothing more.

Who says we're not? We're just also remembering what they fought and died for. The right to keep human beings as property.

Not to mention that there's a bit of a difference between having a flag present in a historic military cemetery or museum or something and wearing it on t-shirts or flying it from buildings today in the 21st century. One is being respectful of history and the dead, the other is politically-charged - namely it signifies identification with a state which only existed to preserve the existence of slavery in America.

[Cannot think of a name]

Pssssst. He was making fun of you and the other guys who make a point, abandon it, wait a few pages, and then say it again and act like it's something new. Somebody literally made that point one or two pages ago.

Ifreann is making fun of me? Oh no a BRONY doesn't like me.

In all seriousness I studied history in University. I LOVE history. If the South hadn't secede the North wouldn't have freed the slaves. I know it's taught differently in America

No its not.

[Ucropi]

So you're saying Lincoln isn't the hero that most americans make him out to? He saw a way to hurt the south and took it?

No, I'm mocking you.

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Holy shit, I did not! Did you know that the US revolution only happened because the slaveholders in the colonies wanted to keep slavery, therefore the US revolution is exactly the same as the US civil war in every possible way.

This thread is so educational.

Was hoping you'd say that.

[TheConfederate States of America]

I see nothing wrong with remembering the people who died in the South during the Civil War. It is a symbol of remembrance and heritage, nothing more.

Exactly my point.

Just remember that this flag never historically represented the Confederate States of America as a nation.
And also the flag you would normally see today was the battle flag of the army of Teneessee.
Not "the confederate flag" or the confederate national flag.

If you would like to read more go to http://www.ConfederateFlags.org 

[Ucropi]

Ifreann is making fun of me? Oh no a BRONY doesn't like me.

In all seriousness I studied history in University. I LOVE history. If the South hadn't secede the North wouldn't have freed the slaves. I know it's taught differently in America

No its not.

Your schools teach that lincoln wouldn't have freed the slaves?

[Nazi Flower Power]

Plus, the North wasn't about to let a big chunk of its territory go independent.

This is the part the South didn't understand. They thought the North would be too wussy to fight.

[Dakini]

Pssssst. He was making fun of you and the other guys who make a point, abandon it, wait a few pages, and then say it again and act like it's something new. Somebody literally made that point one or two pages ago.

Ifreann is making fun of me? Oh no a BRONY doesn't like me.

In all seriousness I studied history in University. I LOVE history. If the South hadn't secede the North wouldn't have freed the slaves. I know it's taught differently in America (you know the country where the North won the civil war and Lincoln is a hero), but countries always teach propaganda and if you can't see that there is no help.

You've made it pretty obvious throughout this thread that you have not done much in the way of studying history at all.

I'm not from the USA, I did not learn US history in school, but I've actually bothered to read a book on the US civil war (Battle Cry of Freedom by James McPherson). You've made a number of factually incorrect and totally asinine statements in this thread which indicate that you're entirely ignorant of US history.

The Northern states of the USA had mostly gotten rid of slavery before the US civil war. By the end of it, even more states had gotten rid of it on their own. The USA would have eventually gotten rid of slavery. It might have taken longer, but Lincoln was actually an abolitionist (albeit a moderate one) and he did want to eradicate the "peculiar institution". He wasn't willing to do it at the expense of the unity of the country, but that doesn't really change matters.