The Confederate battle flag

[Gaelic Celtia]

i was reading though this and i saw something about the South being a traiter to the USA, but u have to remeber that the USA is also a traiter to British Crown.

Yes, but their rebellion was somewhat justified, at least more so than rebelling so 6% could continue to own slaves.

[Dracoria]

i was reading though this and i saw something about the South being a traiter to the USA, but u have to remeber that the USA is also a traiter to British Crown.

The British signed a treaty giving up their claims, thus giving legitemacy to the ex-colonists.

[Gaelic Celtia]

He held the same beliefs regarding black people as pretty much every other white person of the time.

And Alexander H Steavens a friend of dishonest abe.

And I am friends with many people who do not support LGBT rights, this does not mean I now have the same belief. What is your point?

[TheConfederate States of America]

Now to that I agree Chamberlin was a great man.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=cha ... 52189019EC

I love that movie. It's what really ignited my interest in the ACW.

Then you should read this.

[Dracoria]

My point is that Lincoln supported white supremacism. That is my point.

Uh, yeah no. Maybe he wasn't John Brown, but he was not a supremacist, and especially not just because his wife's family owned slaves.

Are the Rebel Sympathizers going to do anything besides just attack Lincoln here to try and detract the negative connotations of the flag? Because, I fail to see how pointing things out about Lincoln makes your beloved banner less negative.

USK isn't really pro-Confederacy, he just has immense distaste for the melanin-impaired.

[White Bluff]

i was reading though this and i saw something about the South being a traiter to the USA, but u have to remeber that the USA is also a traiter to British Crown.

Yes, but their rebellion was somewhat justified, at least more so than rebelling so 6% could continue to own slaves.

yes but theres no differance, only the northern colonies rebelled at first most of the south was loyalist area in the Revolution

[Nazi Flower Power]

He had an amazing mind. How many people can teach three or four philosophy styles?

He was an amazing mind and an amazing body. Seriously, his last wound during the war had people thinking he was dead. Had to be catheterized because the shot wrecked his groin after a rather badass moment of staying upright through will alone, went back to command as soon as he could and then took another miracle shot that, to all appearances, looked to go right through his chest - and kept giving orders. After all that pain, he still showed respect to those on the other side. Then he went on to be elected as governor, catheter and all, refused to give in to bribes and left politics. Amazing man, even if one doesn't believe he initiated the charge on July 2nd.

Yeah, he was cool.

[TheConfederate States of America]

i was reading though this and i saw something about the South being a traiter to the USA, but u have to remeber that the USA is also a traiter to British Crown.

EXACTLY being trators is what built this contry.

[TheConfederate States of America]

He was an amazing mind and an amazing body. Seriously, his last wound during the war had people thinking he was dead. Had to be catheterized because the shot wrecked his groin after a rather badass moment of staying upright through will alone, went back to command as soon as he could and then took another miracle shot that, to all appearances, looked to go right through his chest - and kept giving orders. After all that pain, he still showed respect to those on the other side. Then he went on to be elected as governor, catheter and all, refused to give in to bribes and left politics. Amazing man, even if one doesn't believe he initiated the charge on July 2nd.

Yeah, he was cool.

I agree.

[White Bluff]

i was reading though this and i saw something about the South being a traiter to the USA, but u have to remeber that the USA is also a traiter to British Crown.

The British signed a treaty giving up their claims, thus giving legitemacy to the ex-colonists.

that wasnt till after the Revolution, they rebelled at first because they thought the Taxes were to high, then they turn around and tax the hell out of the South

[Nazi Flower Power]

He held the same beliefs regarding black people as pretty much every other white person of the time.

Yes and I believe most whites then supported racism and slavery.

Racism, yes. Slavery, no.

[Dracoria]

The British signed a treaty giving up their claims, thus giving legitemacy to the ex-colonists.

that wasnt till after the Revolution, they rebelled at first because they thought the Taxes were to high, then they turn around and tax the hell out of the South

They didn't rebel just because of taxes, they rebelled because of the lack of say in them and also the enforced monopolies in some trades. The southern states certainly had plenty of say up until they seceded, which is why slavery lasted as long as it did.

[TheConfederate States of America]

Yes, but their rebellion was somewhat justified, at least more so than rebelling so 6% could continue to own slaves.

yes but theres no differance, only the northern colonies rebelled at first most of the south was loyalist area in the Revolution

Yet ALL the colonies had slavery.
A vile insituteion brought over here by the British.
So is the British flag a flag of slavery and racism?

[Gaelic Celtia]

yes but theres no differance, only the northern colonies rebelled at first most of the south was loyalist area in the Revolution

Yet ALL the colonies had slavery.
A vile insituteion brought over here by the British.
So is the British flag a flag of slavery and racism?

the American Revolution was not largely sparked by the issue of slavery. The South, whether you choose to admit it or not, was in large part due to the division slavery had created among the states.

And no it is not, because it did not exist for four years and go to war to preserve the right to own slaves.

[Nazi Flower Power]

The British signed a treaty giving up their claims, thus giving legitemacy to the ex-colonists.

that wasnt till after the Revolution, they rebelled at first because they thought the Taxes were to high, then they turn around and tax the hell out of the South

First of all, federal tariffs applied to imports coming into any US port, Northern or Southern. The South only ended up paying more because they did less of their own manufacturing. And more importantly, the exorbitant tariffs were repealed before the war in response to complaints from Southern states.

[The Black Forrest]

yes but theres no differance, only the northern colonies rebelled at first most of the south was loyalist area in the Revolution

Yet ALL the colonies had slavery.
A vile insituteion brought over here by the British.
So is the British flag a flag of slavery and racism?

It was at one time but they abolished slavery and policed the oceans for trafficking.

What you fail to notice is the Brits don't try and revise their history or make arguments of "well the French...."

[Gaelic Celtia]

The British signed a treaty giving up their claims, thus giving legitemacy to the ex-colonists.

that wasnt till after the Revolution, they rebelled at first because they thought the Taxes were to high, then they turn around and tax the hell out of the South

No, excessive taxation due to making up war costs (costs that the Crown used to DEFEND the colonies from France, I might add) was a large part, but they also were not represented. Considering the South was plenty represented, the scenarios are not similar.

[Dracoria]

yes but theres no differance, only the northern colonies rebelled at first most of the south was loyalist area in the Revolution

Yet ALL the colonies had slavery.
A vile insituteion brought over here by the British.
So is the British flag a flag of slavery and racism?

The British flag outlasted its days of slavery and colonialism. The Confederate flag did not.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Yeah, he was cool.

I agree.

That seems to be the one thing everyone in this thread agrees on.

[Gaelic Celtia]

Yet ALL the colonies had slavery.
A vile insituteion brought over here by the British.
So is the British flag a flag of slavery and racism?

The British flag outlasted its days of slavery and colonialism. The Confederate flag did not.

Nor did its existence largely revolve around preserving the institution of slavery.

[White Bluff]

yes but theres no differance, only the northern colonies rebelled at first most of the south was loyalist area in the Revolution

Yet ALL the colonies had slavery.
A vile insituteion brought over here by the British.
So is the British flag a flag of slavery and racism?

well not really it was the Dutch and Spanish who brought slaves over first

[The Black Forrest]

Yet ALL the colonies had slavery.
A vile insituteion brought over here by the British.
So is the British flag a flag of slavery and racism?

well not really it was the Dutch and Spanish who brought slaves over first

It was legal in all the colonies. The first instance of banning was in 1777.....

[Dracoria]

Yet ALL the colonies had slavery.
A vile insituteion brought over here by the British.
So is the British flag a flag of slavery and racism?

It was at one time but they abolished slavery and policed the oceans for trafficking.

What you fail to notice is the Brits don't try and revise their history or make arguments of "well the French...."

Fun thing: the United States Navy also policed the oceans looking for slavers off Africa starting in 1819 (slaves could be traded within the states, but further importation was disallowed). It was probably somewhat upsetting for the crews that many of the slave ships they captured were from their own country.

[The Black Forrest]

It was at one time but they abolished slavery and policed the oceans for trafficking.

What you fail to notice is the Brits don't try and revise their history or make arguments of "well the French...."

Fun thing: the United States Navy also policed the oceans looking for slavers off Africa starting in 1819 (slaves could be traded within the states, but further importation was disallowed). It was probably somewhat upsetting for the crews that many of the slave ships they captured were from their own country.

Hmm. Didn't know when they started doing that but remember reading from my cousins diary about how her husband and business partners were excited at the possibility of getting the trade going again.

[Estado Paulista]

Lets get started when you see this flag what comes to mind?

The CSA, the American Civil War, slavery, etc.

Why?

What do you think?

Are you "into" the history of the war?

I'm not an old white guy. There's your answer.

Do you think this was the Confederate national flag?

No, as you said, it was merely the flag of the Army of Tennessee.

Do you know what a battle flag is?

Yes. Do you?