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What does the Confederate battle flag mean to you?

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Racisism
375
22%
Southern Heritage
289
17%
Southern Pride
298
17%
Remembrance
163
9%
HERITAGE NOT HATE
168
10%
Slavery
342
20%
Saint Andrew's cross
91
5%
 
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TheConfederate States of America
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Postby TheConfederate States of America » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:48 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Most are the same link with HK Edgerton......


I had not realized that because I never clicked any of the links.


I like finding memeriols to union and confederate there's one in my home town that says something really pretty but I forget.
I'll look it up.

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Postby Dracoria » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:48 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
TheConfederate States of America wrote:
Please click one. :D


No.


Then click this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2KdCXmNeng
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Postby Harbertia » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:50 am

The flag analyzed;

Background: Red = Sacrifice

White embroider = Purity

Blue Saint Andrew's Cross aka Saltire = Early symbol for Christ taken from Roman currency and now considered symbol of Christain Imperialism from when the Government of the Roman Empire, and the Catholic Church where united. Blue symbolizes Heaven, or heavenly cause.

"Deo Vindice"

Under God, our Vindicator (CSA Motto)

The cross symbolizes belief in a heavenly cause.

Pure Sacrifice for a heavenly cause is a literal interpretation of the symbolism of the flag from my understanding. In modern times these elements can be taken together to represent a pride in the southern way of life as the elements are still a central part of the culture; especially among the military families.
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Postby Dakini » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:53 am

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
White Bluff wrote:yes but theres no differance, only the northern colonies rebelled at first most of the south was loyalist area in the Revolution


Yet ALL the colonies had slavery.
A vile insituteion brought over here by the British.
So is the British flag a flag of slavery and racism?

The British empire outlawed slavery well before the US civil war started. There's a reason the Underground Railroad terminated in Canada.

The United Kingdom has also done something other than throw a temper tantrum after losing an election and start a war for the "right" to own slaves, which is much more than can be said for the Confederate States of America.

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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:59 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:I simply hate it because it leaves out any Welsh elements. :p


Maybe a profile of Richard Burton?

I was thinking Catherine Zeta Jones in lingerie.
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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:00 am

Dracoria wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
No.


Then click this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2KdCXmNeng

I can approve of this link.

Except the 20th just took a beating in my ACW Empire TW mod.
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Postby Dracoria » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:01 am

Gaelic Celtia wrote:

I can approve of this link.

Except the 20th just took a beating in my ACW Empire TW mod.


If they didn't take a beating, they wouoldn't have been the 20th Maine.

Of course, if they'd taken too much a beating, they'd be the 1st Minnesota.
Also, chocobos.

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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:04 am

Dracoria wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:I can approve of this link.

Except the 20th just took a beating in my ACW Empire TW mod.


If they didn't take a beating, they wouoldn't have been the 20th Maine.

Of course, if they'd taken too much a beating, they'd be the 1st Minnesota.

To be fair I moved them into a trap. Too tired for RTS, and my drowsiness has just killed 200 men.
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Postby Dracoria » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:05 am

Gaelic Celtia wrote:
Dracoria wrote:
If they didn't take a beating, they wouoldn't have been the 20th Maine.

Of course, if they'd taken too much a beating, they'd be the 1st Minnesota.

To be fair I moved them into a trap. Too tired for RTS, and my drowsiness has just killed 200 men.


Yeah, sounds more like the 1st Minnesota.
Also, chocobos.

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Postby TheConfederate States of America » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:06 am

Dracoria wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
No.


Then click this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2KdCXmNeng



RANDOM GUY: "General please get down, We can't spare you." GENERAL HANDCOCK (LOL): "There are times when a corps commander's life does not count." BADASS I love that movie. I might watch it later!

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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:07 am

Dracoria wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:To be fair I moved them into a trap. Too tired for RTS, and my drowsiness has just killed 200 men.


Yeah, sounds more like the 1st Minnesota.

No, no. They are in my army in St. Louis.

Cool mod though, if you have empire total war I would definitely get it.
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Postby Dracoria » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:08 am

TheConfederate States of America wrote:



RANDOM GUY: "General please get down, We can't spare you." GENERAL HANDCOCK (LOL): "There are times when a corps commander's life does not count." BADASS I love that movie. I might watch it later!


Watch it? I never stop.
Also, chocobos.

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Postby TheConfederate States of America » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:11 am

Harbertia wrote:The flag analyzed;

Background: Red = Sacrifice

White embroider = Purity

Blue Saint Andrew's Cross aka Saltire = Early symbol for Christ taken from Roman currency and now considered symbol of Christain Imperialism from when the Government of the Roman Empire, and the Catholic Church where united. Blue symbolizes Heaven, or heavenly cause.

"Deo Vindice"

Under God, our Vindicator (CSA Motto)

The cross symbolizes belief in a heavenly cause.

Pure Sacrifice for a heavenly cause is a literal interpretation of the symbolism of the flag from my understanding. In modern times these elements can be taken together to represent a pride in the southern way of life as the elements are still a central part of the culture; especially among the military families.



FINALY someone actually took the time to look at the symbolism in the flag.
Thank you sir.
Another thing is the "X" means "CH" as in Christ but I forget what old language it comes from.

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Postby Dracoria » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:13 am

Gaelic Celtia wrote:
Dracoria wrote:
Yeah, sounds more like the 1st Minnesota.

No, no. They are in my army in St. Louis.

Cool mod though, if you have empire total war I would definitely get it.


The 1st Minnesota lost 215 men in 5 minutes charging a Confederate brigade that had rolled right through the remnants of the 3rd Corps. Started with 262, against Wilcox's brigade of about 1600.
Also, chocobos.

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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:13 am

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
Harbertia wrote:The flag analyzed;

Background: Red = Sacrifice

White embroider = Purity

Blue Saint Andrew's Cross aka Saltire = Early symbol for Christ taken from Roman currency and now considered symbol of Christain Imperialism from when the Government of the Roman Empire, and the Catholic Church where united. Blue symbolizes Heaven, or heavenly cause.

"Deo Vindice"

Under God, our Vindicator (CSA Motto)

The cross symbolizes belief in a heavenly cause.

Pure Sacrifice for a heavenly cause is a literal interpretation of the symbolism of the flag from my understanding. In modern times these elements can be taken together to represent a pride in the southern way of life as the elements are still a central part of the culture; especially among the military families.



FINALY someone actually took the time to look at the symbolism in the flag.
Thank you sir.
Another thing is the "X" means "CH" as in Christ but I forget what old language it comes from.

Actually, the white in the flag never even had an official symbolism.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:14 am

Dracoria wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
No.


Then click this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2KdCXmNeng


I like the part where the Confederate guy says he's fighting for his rats. I assume he meant "rights," but it really sounds like "rats."

Not that people from Maine always speak good English... Most of them do, but when you find one that does have a thick local accent, it doesn't sound pretty.
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Postby TheConfederate States of America » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:15 am

Dracoria wrote:
TheConfederate States of America wrote:

RANDOM GUY: "General please get down, We can't spare you." GENERAL HANDCOCK (LOL): "There are times when a corps commander's life does not count." BADASS I love that movie. I might watch it later!


Watch it? I never stop.



I have Gods And Generals too.

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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:15 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:


I like the part where the Confederate guy says he's fighting for his rats. I assume he meant "rights," but it really sounds like "rats."

Not that people from Maine always speak good English... Most of them do, but when you find one that does have a thick local accent, it doesn't sound pretty.

You must hate Stephen King then.
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Postby Dracoria » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:16 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:


I like the part where the Confederate guy says he's fighting for his rats. I assume he meant "rights," but it really sounds like "rats."

Not that people from Maine always speak good English... Most of them do, but when you find one that does have a thick local accent, it doesn't sound pretty.


First time I watched the movie, I thought so too. His pet rats at home. They're th' only ones who listen to 'im 'bout Pa beatin' 'im somethin' fierce.
Also, chocobos.

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Postby Dracoria » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:18 am

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
Dracoria wrote:
Watch it? I never stop.



I have Gods And Generals too.


Not as good as Gettysburg, despite the much larger budget. Didn't seem nearly as cohesive; Gettysburg worked as a single movie despite being originally filmed for a miniseries, but it felt like G&G really would have worked better as a miniseries.
Also, chocobos.

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Postby TheConfederate States of America » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:18 am

Gaelic Celtia wrote:
TheConfederate States of America wrote:

FINALY someone actually took the time to look at the symbolism in the flag.
Thank you sir.
Another thing is the "X" means "CH" as in Christ but I forget what old language it comes from.

Actually, the white in the flag never even had an official symbolism.


In flags the color white often represents purity.

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Postby Dracoria » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:19 am

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:Actually, the white in the flag never even had an official symbolism.


In flags the color white often represents purity.


Or possibly whites.
Also, chocobos.

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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:19 am

TheConfederate States of America wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:Actually, the white in the flag never even had an official symbolism.


In flags the color white often represents purity.

Often, yes. But in this case, there is no official or factually proven meaning.
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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:20 am

Dracoria wrote:
TheConfederate States of America wrote:
In flags the color white often represents purity.


Or possibly whites.

Damn. Beaten to it.
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Sibirsky wrote:You are offensive to me.
Welsh
Pride!
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Anti: Theocracy, Fundamentalism, Communism, Fascism, National Socialism, Nationalism, USA, Golden Dawn, nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, Lannister

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Postby TheConfederate States of America » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:20 am

Dracoria wrote:
TheConfederate States of America wrote:

I have Gods And Generals too.


Not as good as Gettysburg, despite the much larger budget. Didn't seem nearly as cohesive; Gettysburg worked as a single movie despite being originally filmed for a miniseries, but it felt like G&G really would have worked better as a miniseries.



G&G as a miniseries!
I think that could have worked :lol:

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