Christian Discussion Thread IV

[Othelos]

That uh.... that source deals with a lot of maybes... and not a lot of fact.

Hmmmm.

Well its funny how the occult has actual things going on.

These are obviously demons.

there's no such thing as demons, they are only mentioned in the bible because the people didn't understand mental illness.

[Benuty]

Hmmmm.

Well its funny how the occult has actual things going on.

These are obviously demons.

there's no such thing as demons, they are only mentioned in the bible because the people didn't understand mental illness.

No they weren't. Now Christian scriptures on the other hand .

[Constantinopolis]

there's no such thing as demons, they are only mentioned in the bible because the people didn't understand mental illness.

Mental illness is not usually cured by being transferred into pigs. Among other things.

[Sun Wukong]

there's no such thing as demons, they are only mentioned in the bible because the people didn't understand mental illness.

Mental illness is not usually cured by being transferred into pigs. Among other things.

You know, pointing to that story as evidence that the Biblical authors had a firm grasp on reality is probably not a good call.

[Othelos]

there's no such thing as demons, they are only mentioned in the bible because the people didn't understand mental illness.

Mental illness is not usually cured by being transferred into pigs. Among other things.

what

[Lalaki]

What do our NSG Christians think about the separation of church and state?

[Menassa]

What do our NSG Christians think about the separation of church and state?

Someone had once mentioned the inability of the King to preform Sacrifices in the Temple as separation of Church and state.
This is however erroneous because looking at it Biblically, the 'Church' was the State.

[Mostrov]

What do our NSG Christians think about the separation of church and state?

Doesn't make a difference.

Tell me, would you rather live in Iran or the United Kingdom? Both have nearly identical (the head of state is the 'governor' of the religion) governments, yet one is decidedly better.

Or Saudi Arabia and Sweden (again a similar story regarding the role of Church and State, that of a Monarch who is under the influence of an 'official' state religion)?

The United States which is a decidedly secular country according to is constitution, yet it cannot elect (or largely unwilling to at least) anyone who isn't a Protestant Christian. As opposed to the United Kingdom who has Bishops in its upper-house. Which is more secular?

The entirety of this is silly, because the things that cause civility and the like isn't to do with religion; rather it is respect for law and education, as well as high development and standards of living.

[Lalaki]

What do our NSG Christians think about the separation of church and state?

Doesn't make a difference.

Tell me, would you rather live in Iran or the United Kingdom? Both have nearly identical (the head of state is the 'governor' of the religion) governments, yet one is decidedly better.

Or Saudi Arabia and Sweden (again a similar story regarding the role of Church and State, that of a Monarch who is under the influence of an 'official' state religion)?

The United States which is a decidedly secular country according to is constitution, yet it cannot elect (or largely unwilling to at least) anyone who isn't a Protestant Christian. As opposed to the United Kingdom who has Bishops in its upper-house. Which is more secular?

The entirety of this is silly, because the things that cause civility and the like isn't to do with religion; rather it is respect for law and education, as well as high development and standards of living.

What do you mean in the sentence I underlined? Many of our founders were deists, we have many Catholics in Congress (and even a Buddhist). Our government is composed of servants with a variety of faiths.

[Mostrov]

The United States which is a decidedly secular country according to is constitution, yet it cannot elect (or largely unwilling to at least) anyone who isn't a Protestant Christian.

What do you mean in the sentence I underlined? Many of our founders were deists, we have many Catholics in Congress (and even a Buddhist). Our government is composed of servants with a variety of faiths.[/quote]
Personally I am of the opinion that the United States is a Christian state and was founded as one (as can be evidenced by their religious descrimination for much of its early history), however as a state it prides itself on the separation of church and state (for whatever reason and can be evidenced by many Supreme Court rulings) and yet compared a nation which has none, there is a substantial difference in the amount of influence that religion wields in regards to statesmanship for either good or ill.

This suggests that the constitutional arrangements and particularities mean comparatively little in regards to the effects of religion in the government.

Another example; Iraq is a secular state, yet it only recently decriminalised homosexuality - in fact the amount of persecution they still face likely means that the government would likely outlaw it if weren't for the United States.

[The Flood]

No... it hasn't. Medical necessity is the only time the Catholic Church permits abortion.
Though sometimes strongly Catholic countries may ignore the official Church stance; I believe Ireland has at times forbade abortion even when the mother will die otherwise.

Uh, you might want to check this. From my understandi abortion is a big no no under any circumstances...

No, it is allowed if it is needed to save the mother's life.

[Menassa]

Uh, you might want to check this. From my understandi abortion is a big no no under any circumstances...

No, it is allowed if it is needed to save the mother's life.

And unwanted pregnancy due to rape?

[The Flood]

A couple questions for believers in Papal Infallibility:
1) If the Pope were to claim to be God, would that make it true?
2) Back in the days of Galileo, the Church and Pope Paul V held the position that the Earth was at the center of the universe and the sun revolved around the Earth. Modern science has proven that this is obviously wrong. Is this not an error on behalf of the Pope, therefore making him fallible?

You do not understand Papal Infallibility. It does not mean everything the Pope says is infallible, it means pronouncements made Ex Cathedra are infallible. This has only happened twice.

[The Flood]

No, it is allowed if it is needed to save the mother's life.

And unwanted pregnancy due to rape?

Not allowed, and I agree with Church teaching regarding abortion 100%. It should only be legal if the mother will die without it.

[Menassa]

And unwanted pregnancy due to rape?

Not allowed, and I agree with Church teaching regarding abortion 100%. It should only be legal if the mother will die without it.

And if the mother will endanger the child?

[The Flood]

I would think divinity falls under faith.

Stop being willfully ignorant. The Pope can never make a claim of divinity, it would go against everything the Church teaches, including the role of the Pope. if he did so he'd be automatically abdicating the throne by way extreme heresy.

Not heresy, blasphemy of the highest degree.

[The Flood]

What do our NSG Christians think about the separation of church and state?

You can read my opinion of secularism on here

[The Flood]

Not allowed, and I agree with Church teaching regarding abortion 100%. It should only be legal if the mother will die without it.

And if the mother will endanger the child?

What?

[Menassa]

And if the mother will endanger the child?

What?

What if she is a young girl, or engages in the use of narcotics and she can't possibly do anything beneficial for the Child, to the point where the child is now endangered?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

What do our NSG Christians think about the separation of church and state?

I feel, as a U.S. Citizen, that this is a good thing in the United States given our vastly different culture from the rest of the world.

The problem with comparing the U.S. and most of Latin America with the rest of the world at large is that they are unique countries, and for us here in America the separation of church and state works, flimsily, but it works; although not for other countries that have had a religious history of their politics being dominated by the church longer than us.

[The Flood]

What?

What if she is a young girl, or engages in the use of narcotics and she can't possibly do anything beneficial for the Child, to the point where the child is now endangered?

Ever heard of adoption?

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

What if she is a young girl, or engages in the use of narcotics and she can't possibly do anything beneficial for the Child, to the point where the child is now endangered?

Ever heard of adoption?

And she should be made to go through a pregnacy because...?

[The Flood]

Ever heard of adoption?

And she should be made to go through a pregnacy because...?

Just get out. Honestly, why do you people even ask these questions? You know the bloody answer.

[Blood Wine]

Really? do you have any statistics to back this up? I've never seen any actual statistics on Christianity charity - I dare say charity would rather take a hit,while local churches would recieve more and put back into the community due to the small/close knit communities,bigger churches would slush the money into closed books to do god knows what with it

I'm not sure about less wars though;the same faith does deter invasions (I mean,not a lot of people want to kill someone of their own faith),but when everyone beliefs the same it falls to the background as a unimportant factor in day to day life (like taking the train to your job,it's routine and background radiation rather then a deciding factor)

You missed his point. If all Christians acted like Christians, the mega churches wouldn't embezzle, we'd all take care of our fellow man, we'd all be Roman Catholic, etc etc. All those things you listed are a result of people not acting according to the faith.

True enough - although I would like some charity statistics based on religion if you have them?

And what about certain negative things the bible holds? things like stoning and anti-gay?

[Lalaki]

What do our NSG Christians think about the separation of church and state?

I feel, as a U.S. Citizen, that this is a good thing in the United States given our vastly different culture from the rest of the world.

The problem with comparing the U.S. and most of Latin America with the rest of the world at large is that they are unique countries, and for us here in America the separation of church and state works, flimsily, but it works; although not for other countries that have had a religious history of their politics being dominated by the church longer than us.

That's a good argument. I've always thought that the separation of church and state is fundamental to creating a religiously accepting society.