Israel / Gaza / Hamas Mega-Thread

[United Marxist Nations]

"About 100 foreign and Palestinian activists with the Committee to Resist Settlements and the Wall, the government-run protest organization that Abu Ein headed, were on their way to plant trees and protest near an Israeli settlement when they were stopped at an improvised checkpoint, witnesses said.

A group of around 15 Israeli soldiers fired tear gas at the protesters and began scuffling with them.

Abu Ein was struck by a hand to the neck during an altercation with two of the soldiers, and was rushed away in an ambulance shortly afterwards, the Reuters photographer said."

Pretty sure cracking down on unarmed protestors while you are illegally occupying their land is an act of terrorism as well.

"An altercation". Something went down. What was it?

From the pic, it looks like Israeli soldier was choking him at a protest.

[Gauthier]

Palestinian minister dies after being struck by Israeli troops: Reuters witness, medics.

A Palestinian minister died shortly after being hit by Israeli soldiers during a protest on Wednesday in the occupied West Bank, a Reuters photographer who witnessed the incident and a Palestinian medic said.

Ziad Abu Ein, a minister without portfolio who was in his early 50s, was rushed by ambulance from the scene, in the village of Turmusiya, but died en route to the nearby Palestinian city of Ramallah.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, in a statement, called Abu Ein's death "a barbaric act which we cannot be silent about or accept". Announcing three days of national mourning, Abbas said he would take "necessary steps" after an investigation.

The Israeli army was looking into the incident, a spokeswoman said, She did not immediately provide further information.

About 100 foreign and Palestinian activists with the Committee to Resist Settlements and the Wall, the government-run protest organization that Abu Ein headed, were on their way to plant trees and protest near an Israeli settlement when they were stopped at an improvised checkpoint, witnesses said.

A group of around 15 Israeli soldiers fired tear gas at the protesters and began scuffling with them.

Abu Ein was struck by a hand to the neck during an altercation with two of the soldiers, and was rushed away in an ambulance shortly afterwards, the Reuters photographer said.

Bilateral tensions have been fueled in recent weeks by the killing of 10 Israelis and a foreign visitor in Palestinian attacks. More than a dozen Palestinians have been killed over the same period, including most of those accused of carrying out the assaults.

Palestinians in Ramallah closed shops in protest at the minister's death and youths threw stones at Israeli soldiers guarding a Jewish settlement outside the city, Palestinian security sources said.

Clearly the man was a Hamas operative who was about to coordinate more rocket strikes from the West Bank and the police were justified in taking him down. *nod nod* (Yep, it's sarcasm. No indication from the story says he was being violent, but the Israeli authorities might cook up a story otherwise, and even plant Arizona iced tea and Skittles on his body for good measure).

[Iwassoclose]

Israel land of the oppressed.

[Murkwood]

Killing three innocent teenagers isn't terrorism, but this is?

It was an act of partisan resistance attempting to stop settlement in the West Bank.

No, it was terrorism.

[Gauthier]

It was an act of partisan resistance attempting to stop settlement in the West Bank.

No, it was terrorism.

So it's terrorism to get choked to death by police at a comparatively nonviolent West Bank protest? Glad you recognize that.

[United Marxist Nations]

It was an act of partisan resistance attempting to stop settlement in the West Bank.

No, it was terrorism.

Then was removing German settlers who came to Poland during WWII terrorism? Of course not.

[United Marxist Nations]

No, it was terrorism.

So it's terrorism to get choked to death by police at a comparatively nonviolent West Bank protest? Glad you recognize that.

Not the incident being discussed.

[Angleter]

No, it was terrorism.

Then was removing German settlers who came to Poland during WWII terrorism? Of course not.

And by 'removing' we mean 'abducting and murdering', and by 'German settlers' we mean 'people who looked German'.

[MERIZoC]

Ooh, killing government officials now. How wonderful, and definitely legal under international law.
*nod nod*

[Zottistan]

Killing three innocent teenagers isn't terrorism, but this is?

It was an act of partisan resistance attempting to stop settlement in the West Bank.

Which does not exclude it from being terrorism.

[Papait]

Pretty sure assassinating foreign government officials is an act of terrorism.

Killing three innocent teenagers isn't terrorism, but this is?

That may be terrorism, but it was done by Hamas, not the Palestinian authority.
Allmost all Israeli acts of terrorism are done by the government

[Papait]

The US doesn't disagree, Israel is the only country which doesn't acknowledge that it is breaking the Geneva Convention, which states:

"...the Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies".

By deliberately placing its citizens as illegal occupiers, the blood is quite clearly on Israel's hands.

And tell that to Israel, which routinely takes part in it.

Israel isn't an 'occupying power' and WB not 'occupied territory', the WB is disputed territory.

Not so disputed according to the UN, they seem pretty sure that it is part of Palestine, they also seem pretty sure that building a wall and settlements is a war crime

[Zottistan]

Killing three innocent teenagers isn't terrorism, but this is?

That may be terrorism, but it was done by Hamas, not the Palestinian authority.
Allmost all Israeli acts of terrorism are done by the government

It was actually done by three (two?) random guys who just happened to be members of Hamas, not Hamas as an organization.

[Papait]

That may be terrorism, but it was done by Hamas, not the Palestinian authority.
Allmost all Israeli acts of terrorism are done by the government

It was actually done by three (two?) random guys who just happened to be members of Hamas, not Hamas as an organization.

So that proves that the Palestinians cannot be held accountable for this action, or else the Americans could be held accountable for the death of a man a few years ago in my town who was killed at the train station by an american with an axe, and I doubt they will take responsibility for that.
The acts of terror by the Israelis however, have been decided by their government, which they chose

[Murkwood]

No, it was terrorism.

Then was removing German settlers who came to Poland during WWII terrorism? Of course not.

Murdering anyone who was vaguely German was terrorism, yes.

[Papait]

Then was removing German settlers who came to Poland during WWII terrorism? Of course not.

Murdering anyone who was vaguely German was terrorism, yes.

But was the intention of forcing all illegal settlers to leave terrorism?

[Murkwood]

Murdering anyone who was vaguely German was terrorism, yes.

But was the intention of forcing all illegal settlers to leave terrorism?

Intention doesn't matter. Action does.

[Zottistan]

No, it was terrorism.

Then was removing German settlers who came to Poland during WWII terrorism? Of course not.

Yes, actually, it most certainly was. Whether it was justified or not doesn't matter, it was terrorism.

[Alyakia]

But was the intention of forcing all illegal settlers to leave terrorism?

Intention doesn't matter. Action does.

that's what people keep telling you when they look at the piles of dead kids vs little if any dead kids but you seem to think intention matters more than action in that case

[Papait]

But was the intention of forcing all illegal settlers to leave terrorism?

Intention doesn't matter. Action does.

So you also see the intention of Israel being a peacefull jewish state coexisting with the rightfull inhabitants as not relevant, but the fact that they pushed natives back to Gaza and westbank, bomb indiscriminatly and try to take more and more of their land.
Glad you finally agree with us

[Angleter]

Murdering anyone who was vaguely German was terrorism, yes.

But was the intention of forcing all illegal settlers to leave terrorism?

That's literally what terrorism is. Trying to terrorise settlers (i.e. civilians) into leaving their homes lest they get abducted, murdered, etc.

[Risottia]

But was the intention of forcing all illegal settlers to leave terrorism?

That's literally what terrorism is. Trying to terrorise settlers (i.e. civilians) into leaving their homes lest they get abducted, murdered, etc.

You're mistaking terrorism with ethnical cleansing, and terrorism with coercion.

Terrorism can be a tactic used to cause ethnical cleansing.
In that case, it wasn't used. Coercion was the main tool. The difference being that terrorism involves the fear of being victim of a RANDOM attack, while coercion causes the fear of being the victim of a TARGETED attack.

[Islamic State of UKIP]

Israel is now assassinating government ministers in the West Bank for joining peaceful protests on Palestinian soil. Sounds kind of like...terrorism. Death to Israel!

[Benuty]

But was the intention of forcing all illegal settlers to leave terrorism?

Intention doesn't matter. Action does.

Thats utter crap.

[West Aurelia]

Actually, not an act of terrorism. An act of war would be more appropriate, since they are both sovereign states. Although you could argue that they've been at war since... forever.

Palestine isn't really a sovereign state by most measures.

I beg to differ...