Israel / Gaza / Hamas Mega-Thread

[United States Kingdom]

Syria's Jewish community along with thousands of others across the Middle east, and North Africa fled in the late 40s exodus. The amount which stayed was a mere shadow of its former strength.

Ethiopia had a large community till the Emperor got overthrown, and discrimination got so bad that Operation Moses was launched to get many of the Jews out of there.

Australia had a less than stellar reputation towards its aboriginal population. What makes you think they want millions of Jews?

The Islamic Caliphate was always a safe haven for the Jews. As we look back in history, every time the Jews suffered persecution from the big Christian empires in Europe, they fled to the Khilafah. This is especially true with Islamic Spain. If they would have kept the Ottoman Caliphate, but restored it to its former glory, it would have suited them just fine. God exiled the Jews from Palestine and forbade them from creating their own state therefore the alleged "Jewish state" of Israel is illegitimate as far as I am concerned. It isn't even a Jewish State, it is a secular western-style Capitalist representative democracy (that doesn't actually represent its minorities) that celebrates homosexuality and pornography. This "Zionism" is a disgrace to the authentic Jewish tradition.

So your basically a terrorist sympathizer?

[The Batorys]

Let me make this clear. i dont care what you think.

Then there is no reason for you to post here.

Start a blog, instead.

[Papait]

Let me make this clear. i dont care what you think.

Then there is no reason for you to post here.

Start a blog, instead.

Or just not come here to discuss this.
There is a word for a man who joins a discussion expecting everybody to change their opinion to his, and refuse to listen to the others.
They call that man a dick.

[Herskerstad]

Alright, interesting development. Bibi is pushing for a re-election as quick as possible.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/02/world ... hpt=imi_c1

[Gauthier]

Alright, interesting development. Bibi is pushing for a re-election as quick as possible.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/02/world ... hpt=imi_c1

Israel will soon have new elections, after its Prime Minister called for the dismissal of two critical members of his coalition Cabinet and announced he'd call for the dissolution of the nation's legislature, his office announced Tuesday.

Oh yeah. Trying to pack the legislature much, Bibi?

[Herskerstad]

Alright, interesting development. Bibi is pushing for a re-election as quick as possible.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/02/world ... hpt=imi_c1

Israel will soon have new elections, after its Prime Minister called for the dismissal of two critical members of his coalition Cabinet and announced he'd call for the dissolution of the nation's legislature, his office announced Tuesday.

Oh yeah. Trying to pack the legislature much, Bibi?

I suspect this is a brawl, but to the credit of Bibi's side, a well timed brawl. 60 Seats separates Likud from a pure majority and it would not need a political earthquake to regain that.

Then again, this could be a political earthquake, but with essentially a dead left in Israel it becomes a question of a status quo with additional negotiation, or a pure majority for Likud.

[Gauthier]

Oh yeah. Trying to pack the legislature much, Bibi?

I suspect this is a brawl, but to the credit of Bibi's side, a well timed brawl. 60 Seats separates Likud from a pure majority and it would not need a political earthquake to regain that.

Then again, this could be a political earthquake, but with essentially a dead left in Israel it becomes a question of a status quo with additional negotiation, or a pure majority for Likud.

"Do we use 10 bombs on the Palestinians, or 10,000?"

[Herskerstad]

I suspect this is a brawl, but to the credit of Bibi's side, a well timed brawl. 60 Seats separates Likud from a pure majority and it would not need a political earthquake to regain that.

Then again, this could be a political earthquake, but with essentially a dead left in Israel it becomes a question of a status quo with additional negotiation, or a pure majority for Likud.

"Do we use 10 bombs on the Palestinians, or 10,000?"

What's your personal recommendation?

[Gauthier]

"Do we use 10 bombs on the Palestinians, or 10,000?"

What's your personal recommendation?

My opinions don't really matter here. But the old standby clearly hasn't worked in a long time. It's starting to look like the War on Drugs. They're so obcessed with cutting off the supply, they're doing nothing to curb the demand like clamping down on settlement expansions or loosening up the blockades for civilians. Because hey, chocolate is a powerful explosive.

[The balkens]

"Do we use 10 bombs on the Palestinians, or 10,000?"

What's your personal recommendation?

All of them.

[Papait]

What's your personal recommendation?

All of them.

Hamas bombs Israel and kills one or two innocents: "OMG they are so evil, all palestinians must die!"
The elected Israeli government bombs Palestine and literally kills no Hamas guys and harms no launch pads, but instead kills thousands of innocents and destroy schools and hospitals: "Well we were merely attacking terrorists, besides we are not responsible for the actions of our government."

[Murkwood]

All of them.

Hamas bombs Israel and kills one or two innocents: "OMG they are so evil, all palestinians must die!"
The elected Israeli government bombs Palestine and literally kills no Hamas guys and harms no launch pads, but instead kills thousands of innocents and destroy schools and hospitals: "Well we were merely attacking terrorists, besides we are not responsible for the actions of our government."

No one said anything about killing all Palestinians. Just the opposite. The heroic IDF warns civilians with warning shots, leaflets, and calls,

[United Marxist Nations]

Hamas bombs Israel and kills one or two innocents: "OMG they are so evil, all palestinians must die!"
The elected Israeli government bombs Palestine and literally kills no Hamas guys and harms no launch pads, but instead kills thousands of innocents and destroy schools and hospitals: "Well we were merely attacking terrorists, besides we are not responsible for the actions of our government."

No one said anything about killing all Palestinians. Just the opposite. The heroic IDF warns civilians with warning shots, leaflets, and calls,

Then destroys everything they own, leaving them to a life of poverty.

[Herskerstad]

No one said anything about killing all Palestinians. Just the opposite. The heroic IDF warns civilians with warning shots, leaflets, and calls,

Then destroys everything they own, leaving them to a life of poverty.

Fear not, the heroic Palestinian leaders will in their steadfast bravery against Zionism utilize the reparation money to fully restructure, nay, improve the lives of those who had their property destroyed.

This heroic effort will however be centralized to fit the pockets of Khaled Mashaal indefidently, now a personal billionaire. Once him and his benevolent ministers have exclusive vacation-home hotels at a permanent status on Qatar, then they might make a call to the UN to correctly allocate some of that money to infrastructure, if he can get his vacation-Jihad ass off the couch and reach his ebony-encrusted phone that is.

[Murkwood]

Then destroys everything they own, leaving them to a life of poverty.

Fear not, the heroic Palestinian leaders will in their steadfast bravery against Zionism utilize the reparation money to fully restructure, nay, improve the lives of those who had their property destroyed.

This heroic effort will however be centralized to fit the pockets of Khaled Mashaal indefidently, now a personal billionaire. Once him and his benevolent ministers have exclusive vacation-home hotels at a permanent status on Qatar, then they might make a call to the UN to correctly allocate some of that money to infrastructure, if he can get his vacation-Jihad ass off the couch and reach his ebony-encrusted phone that is.

Put it better than I could've.

[United Marxist Nations]

I don't know about in the last war, but I know that, following the 2008-09 war, the aid completely bypassed Hamas:

Following the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict, an international conference took place in Sharm El-Sheikh, Egypt, where donors pledged almost $4.5 billion for the resonstruction of Gaza. These funds bypass Hamas, since the PNA, in collaboration with the donor community, has taken the leadership in delivering and distributing the assistance.[50]

In fact, it actually looks like all of the funds bypass Hamas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... lestinians

EDIT: Nice try though, I had to go looking for that one.

[MERIZoC]

Hamas bombs Israel and kills one or two innocents: "OMG they are so evil, all palestinians must die!"
The elected Israeli government bombs Palestine and literally kills no Hamas guys and harms no launch pads, but instead kills thousands of innocents and destroy schools and hospitals: "Well we were merely attacking terrorists, besides we are not responsible for the actions of our government."

No one said anything about killing all Palestinians. Just the opposite. The heroic IDF warns civilians with warning shots, leaflets, and calls,

Heroism.

[The balkens]

No one said anything about killing all Palestinians. Just the opposite. The heroic IDF warns civilians with warning shots, leaflets, and calls,

Heroism.

Pfft, more like beach landing training.
Clearly the IDF was on the ball that day.

[Herskerstad]

No one said anything about killing all Palestinians. Just the opposite. The heroic IDF warns civilians with warning shots, leaflets, and calls,

Heroism.

You know who also had unintended child casualties in war?

Why, the western allies did. Quite a few.

Clearly the allies were immoral, evil, murdering scum.

Or you know, you can actually view the video, the discourse over it, the fact that it was released along with the information, and conclude it was not trigger-happy individuals engaging in willful child murder. Whereas Hamas on the other hand? Well, they want Israeli kids dead and are willing to sacrifice quite a few of their own to dig tunnels to do so.

Then again, Israel is open even when there appears a mistake in war, whereas Hamas? Oh well, their standards should not be encroached upon despite being petty and an active participant in the violence itself. The lesser evil have to be choked prior to the greater evil being confronted. Great strategy, right?

[United Marxist Nations]

Heroism.

You know who also had unintended child casualties in war?

Why, the western allies did. Quite a few.

Clearly the allies were immoral, evil, murdering scum.

Or you know, you can actually view the video, the discourse over it, the fact that it was released along with the information, and conclude it was not trigger-happy individuals engaging in willful child murder. Whereas Hamas on the other hand? Well, they want Israeli kids dead and are willing to sacrifice quite a few of their own to dig tunnels to do so.

Then again, Israel is open even when there appears a mistake in war, whereas Hamas? Oh well, their standards should not be encroached upon despite being petty and an active participant in the violence itself. The lesser evil have to be choked prior to the greater evil being confronted. Great strategy, right?

The thing is, while Hamas may want to commit violence on that scale, they can't. They physically can't.

[Papait]

Hamas bombs Israel and kills one or two innocents: "OMG they are so evil, all palestinians must die!"
The elected Israeli government bombs Palestine and literally kills no Hamas guys and harms no launch pads, but instead kills thousands of innocents and destroy schools and hospitals: "Well we were merely attacking terrorists, besides we are not responsible for the actions of our government."

No one said anything about killing all Palestinians. Just the opposite. The heroic IDF warns civilians with warning shots, leaflets, and calls,

yeah, they are the best people ever. They even point out areas to the Palestinians where they are safe, and promise not to bomb there.
But then they do, ah well, at least they tried

[Papait]

Heroism.

You know who also had unintended child casualties in war?

Why, the western allies did. Quite a few.

Clearly the allies were immoral, evil, murdering scum.

Or you know, you can actually view the video, the discourse over it, the fact that it was released along with the information, and conclude it was not trigger-happy individuals engaging in willful child murder. Whereas Hamas on the other hand? Well, they want Israeli kids dead and are willing to sacrifice quite a few of their own to dig tunnels to do so.

Then again, Israel is open even when there appears a mistake in war, whereas Hamas? Oh well, their standards should not be encroached upon despite being petty and an active participant in the violence itself. The lesser evil have to be choked prior to the greater evil being confronted. Great strategy, right?

In some occasions I think the Allies could be classified as evil. Some actions by especially the Americans, soviets and british are war crimes. Americans executed surrendering germans, raped many french women and looted stores. The russians... well we all know what they did. The british did some bad stuff as well, like firebombing Dresden and then firing machine guns at the riverbanks where civilians were taking shelter.

Israelis want the Palestinians dead, maybe not all of them want that, but a lot do. Have you ever seen how vile racist beings they are. Their policies towards the ethiopian jews, who were without consent sterilized and the Yemenite Jews, whose children were taken, then they told the parents the children died and put them up for adoption.
Have you ever seen the videos of Israelis protesting against Sudanese refugees, telling them to go back to Sudan, to get out of the land that is only for jews and even told to die, because they are 'filthy'.
I trust that there may be good Israelis who are just forced into commiting the crimes of the IDF, but there are also ones who are just itching to kill a 'rag-head'.
But its not the soldiers that are the worst, its the leadership. They order their man to shoot at beaches, bomb schools and do everything they can to 'kill hamas' instead of going in and killing those hamas guys with just one bullet to his head, instead of a clusterbomb to the entire neighbourhood.

[Alyakia]

Hamas bombs Israel and kills one or two innocents: "OMG they are so evil, all palestinians must die!"
The elected Israeli government bombs Palestine and literally kills no Hamas guys and harms no launch pads, but instead kills thousands of innocents and destroy schools and hospitals: "Well we were merely attacking terrorists, besides we are not responsible for the actions of our government."

No one said anything about killing all Palestinians. Just the opposite. The heroic IDF warns civilians with warning shots, leaflets, and calls,

remember that post i made before and you were like "i don't see my name"? your name was in it originally in a way, because it was a response to you saying stuff like this.

now work in the rising power of parties like jewish home, cabinet ministers talking destroying all the water and infrastructure and blowing them back to the stone age, university professors going on rape their women rants etc. and oh i'm just hitting my head against a brick wall aren't i? let's just do the whole thing. dahiya, flechette, human shields and house demolitions. the IDF has in many cases deliberately harmed and recklessly endangered civilians in many cases many of them part of official policy and this is objective fact and the most pro-israel interpretation that is possible while still staying in line with the facts.

do you know why nobody praised the heroic russian army for dropping leaflets, warning everyone to get out and setting up evacuation zones for civilians? we hate double standards in the israel thread, so perhaps you would like to set the record straight for us?

[Alyakia]

You know who also had unintended child casualties in war?

Why, the western allies did. Quite a few.

Clearly the allies were immoral, evil, murdering scum.

Or you know, you can actually view the video, the discourse over it, the fact that it was released along with the information, and conclude it was not trigger-happy individuals engaging in willful child murder. Whereas Hamas on the other hand? Well, they want Israeli kids dead and are willing to sacrifice quite a few of their own to dig tunnels to do so.

Then again, Israel is open even when there appears a mistake in war, whereas Hamas? Oh well, their standards should not be encroached upon despite being petty and an active participant in the violence itself. The lesser evil have to be choked prior to the greater evil being confronted. Great strategy, right?

The thing is, while Hamas may want to commit violence on that scale, they can't. They physically can't.

sure, israel actually does kill hundreds upon hundreds of kids, but hamas are big meanies and kill one kid through sheer power of luck with a metal tube with sugar and horse shit welded to the bottom. and let's be honest, what is more important here?

[Alyakia]

full disclosure: i don't know if any israeli kids were actually killed during the last exchange but it's pretty fucking unlikely lol

do you ever find it funny how israel has to go "well yes our people are not dying regularly at all but they're really really scared (after all, the threat is more psychological than physical at our own admission) LOOK QUICK a road accident caused by a rocket warning siren!!!" while palestinians are literally dying in the thousands in addition to being traumatized just as much if not more so than the israelis and then they have the balls to go "guys rockets aren't a serious threat please don't cancel your flights" when people start wondering whether a holiday in israel is a good idea or not

e: all the while trying to forget that one israeli fuck up kills more people than 1,000 hamas rockets, because it might start looking like the whole thing is hilariously unbalanced and hamas poses as much of an existential threat to israel as a wet fart. (then you might be pressured to look at how egypt is anti-hamas and iraq/syria etc. can't even invade themselves and you might be forced to admit you don't live in the 60s anymore. but i digress)