Israel / Gaza / Hamas Mega-Thread

[Herskerstad]

Getting invaded and being unable to push the IDF out is not prevailing, it looks like Gaza is getting steamrolled and I hope Israel does not stop until the ground offensive captures all of Gaza. The campaign should not stop, especially not for one missing soldier. Victory for Israel will be at hand as soon as they smash in Hamas' headquarters and round up all of them in chains.

But then every child whose parents are kills will grow up with a hatred of the 'Israeli aggressor' and will become a new Hamas.

Not if they are replaced with a pro permanent peace faction with the means to control it's own borders.

[Viritica]

Oh you've got to be fucking kidding me.

This just goes to show what type of partisan hacks the UN are.

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/1/un-condemns-israel-us-not-sharing-iron-dome-hamas/

[Alyakia]

Oh you've got to be fucking kidding me.

This just goes to show what type of partisan hacks the UN are.

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/1/un-condemns-israel-us-not-sharing-iron-dome-hamas/

>breitbart

they probably are kidding you yeah

wasn't your argument for ethnic states states with immigration laws that give advantages to people based on citizenship not actually ethnicity making it pretty meaningless really

You might be missing some punctuation, because I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

pretty most of the modern ones don't actually declare themselves to be of one ethnicity for one ethnicity anymore because that's pretty terrible (and the ones that do should probably stop)

That's not at all true. Identifying as the nation-state of an particular ethnic group doesn't in any way mean that other ethnic groups are forbidden or discriminated against. All of the european and asian states are nation-states of particular ethnic groups - yet they all have minority populations of other ethnic groups and most of them have modern, democratic governments.

There are 50 countries in europe - 47 of them are nation-states, 2 is a city-states (one of which is also a nation-state (Monaco)), and the Vatican is the only non-nation-state.

There are also 50 countries in asia - 47 of them are nation-states (either recognized as such internationally or self-claiming to be, such as Myanmar/Burma and palestine), and the other three are not recognized as nation-states of a particular ethnic group, but all three of them are currently undergoing significant to serious internal conflicts, based on religion or ethnicity (cyprus, syrian and iraq).

Or are you going to claim that france isn't the nation-state of the french, that england isn't the nation-state of the english, that ireland isn't the nation-state of the irish, that turkey isn't the nation-state of the turks, etc?

i'm claiming that there's no "france is a french state (for the french ethnicity" declaration. frances census does not contain any information about ethnicity, so i don't think they're actually that concerned about keeping one ethnicity privileged over all others, unlike israel.

also england isn't a state. the english have a nation, but not a nation-state. the UK is considered a multinational state, not a nation-state.

[Viritica]

Oh you've got to be fucking kidding me.

This just goes to show what type of partisan hacks the UN are.

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/1/un-condemns-israel-us-not-sharing-iron-dome-hamas/

>breitbart

they probably are kidding you yeah

You might be missing some punctuation, because I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.



That's not at all true. Identifying as the nation-state of an particular ethnic group doesn't in any way mean that other ethnic groups are forbidden or discriminated against. All of the european and asian states are nation-states of particular ethnic groups - yet they all have minority populations of other ethnic groups and most of them have modern, democratic governments.

There are 50 countries in europe - 47 of them are nation-states, 2 is a city-states (one of which is also a nation-state (Monaco)), and the Vatican is the only non-nation-state.

There are also 50 countries in asia - 47 of them are nation-states (either recognized as such internationally or self-claiming to be, such as Myanmar/Burma and palestine), and the other three are not recognized as nation-states of a particular ethnic group, but all three of them are currently undergoing significant to serious internal conflicts, based on religion or ethnicity (cyprus, syrian and iraq).

Or are you going to claim that france isn't the nation-state of the french, that england isn't the nation-state of the english, that ireland isn't the nation-state of the irish, that turkey isn't the nation-state of the turks, etc?

i'm claiming that there's no "france is a french state (for the french ethnicity" declaration. frances census does not contain any information about ethnicity, so i don't think they're actually that concerned about keeping one ethnicity privileged over all others, unlike israel.

also england isn't a state

Or they probably aren't.

[Conserative Morality]

Oh you've got to be fucking kidding me.

This just goes to show what type of partisan hacks the UN are.

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/1/un-condemns-israel-us-not-sharing-iron-dome-hamas/

"They have not only provided the heavy weaponry which is now being used by Israel in Gaza but they've also provided almost $1 billion in providing the 'Iron Domes' to protect the Israels from rocket attacks," she said. "But no such protection has been provided to Gazans against the shelling."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.608237
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/pillay-israel-hamas-committing-war-crimes-24785678

Partisan, because she says that Israel and Hamas are committing war crimes, and that Israel has made no attempt to protect Palestinian civilians despite stripping them of any real sovereignty or government of their own?

So... it's partisan to believe that Palestinians are human beings? Or is it just partisan to criticize Israel when it does something terribly wrong and barbaric?

[Viritica]

Oh you've got to be fucking kidding me.

This just goes to show what type of partisan hacks the UN are.

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/1/un-condemns-israel-us-not-sharing-iron-dome-hamas/

"They have not only provided the heavy weaponry which is now being used by Israel in Gaza but they've also provided almost $1 billion in providing the 'Iron Domes' to protect the Israels from rocket attacks," she said. "But no such protection has been provided to Gazans against the shelling."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.608237
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/pillay-israel-hamas-committing-war-crimes-24785678

Partisan, because she says that Israel and Hamas are committing war crimes, and that Israel has made no attempt to protect Palestinian civilians despite stripping them of any real sovereignty or government of their own?

So... it's partisan to believe that Palestinians are human beings? Or is it just partisan to criticize Israel when it does something terribly wrong and barbaric?

What you don't seem to grasp here is that Hamas governs Gaza.

So... It they give the Iron Dome technology to the Gazans it'll almost definitely fall into the hands of Hamas.

Hamas, in case you weren't already aware, are terrorists whose goal is to destroy Israel and slaughter Jews.

[Conserative Morality]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.608237
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/pillay-israel-hamas-committing-war-crimes-24785678

Partisan, because she says that Israel and Hamas are committing war crimes, and that Israel has made no attempt to protect Palestinian civilians despite stripping them of any real sovereignty or government of their own?

So... it's partisan to believe that Palestinians are human beings? Or is it just partisan to criticize Israel when it does something terribly wrong and barbaric?

What you don't seem to grasp here is that Hamas governs Gaza.

So... It they give the Iron Dome technology to the Gazans it'll almost definitely fall into the hands of Hamas.

Hamas, in case you weren't already aware, are terrorists whose goal is to destroy Israel and slaughter Jews.

In what world does:

"But no such protection has been provided to Gazans against the shelling."

mean

"Give Hamas the Iron Dome blueprints."

Even were Israel only an invading force and not an occupying one, they still have a duty to protect civilians in their area of operations.

As it stands, they're both, and thus doubly responsible for their deliberate negligence.

[Viritica]

What you don't seem to grasp here is that Hamas governs Gaza.

So... It they give the Iron Dome technology to the Gazans it'll almost definitely fall into the hands of Hamas.

Hamas, in case you weren't already aware, are terrorists whose goal is to destroy Israel and slaughter Jews.

In what world does:

"But no such protection has been provided to Gazans against the shelling."

mean

"Give Hamas the Iron Dome blueprints."

Even were Israel only an invading force and not an occupying one, they still have a duty to protect civilians in their area of operations.

As it stands, they're both, and thus doubly responsible for their deliberate negligence.

So you want Israel to give the Iron Dome technology to the Gazans while expecting it not to fall into the hands of Hamas?

That would be like expecting WWII America to give the atom bomb technology to the German citizens while expecting it not to fall into the hands of the Nazi government.

Do you realize how utterly stupid that is?

[Alyakia]

In what world does:

mean


Even were Israel only an invading force and not an occupying one, they still have a duty to protect civilians in their area of operations.

As it stands, they're both, and thus doubly responsible for their deliberate negligence.

So you want Israel to give the Iron Dome technology to the Gazans while expecting it not to fall into the hands of Hamas?

That would be like expecting WWII America to give the atom bomb technology to the German citizens while expecting it not to fall into the hands of the Nazi government.

Do you realize how utterly stupid that is?

iron done would not be effective against shelling, nor would is it in any comparable to an atom bomb

[Viritica]

So you want Israel to give the Iron Dome technology to the Gazans while expecting it not to fall into the hands of Hamas?

That would be like expecting WWII America to give the atom bomb technology to the German citizens while expecting it not to fall into the hands of the Nazi government.

Do you realize how utterly stupid that is?

iron done would not be effective against shelling, nor would is it in any comparable to an atom bomb

People still somehow expect Israel to give Hamas the technology.

EDIT: Also, the Iron Dome can intercept mortar shells. It can surely intercept artillery shells.

[Conserative Morality]

So you want Israel to give the Iron Dome technology to the Gazans while expecting it not to fall into the hands of Hamas?

That would be like expecting WWII America to give the atom bomb technology to the German citizens while expecting it not to fall into the hands of the Nazi government.

Do you realize how utterly stupid that is?

Are you really this disingenuous? Or do you genuinely not understand what I said?

[Rehansu Tir]

I understand that, but when Israel makes one of these errors they have a real hard time admitting it,

No they're not, it's just that they say, reasonably I think, let's investigate the incident first and then decide what happened. Investigations of incidents are one of the hallmarks of democratic society, as opposed to the summary executions employed by the palestinians.

[Alyakia]

"Right Commissioner Navi Pillay says Hamas also violating humanitarian law by firing rockets indiscriminately"

god the U.N. is so fucking partisan ugh...

it's literally just "they gave israel billions and iron done but they''ve done fuck all to stop israel going to town on hospitals that have rockets near it maybe possibly that's if we don't upload an image of a misidentified target again" which you have translated to "give jew killers iron dome for more effective jew killing"

[Viritica]

So you want Israel to give the Iron Dome technology to the Gazans while expecting it not to fall into the hands of Hamas?

That would be like expecting WWII America to give the atom bomb technology to the German citizens while expecting it not to fall into the hands of the Nazi government.

Do you realize how utterly stupid that is?

Are you really this disingenuous? Or do you genuinely not understand what I said?

I did. And what you said is really stupid.

[Viritica]

"Right Commissioner Navi Pillay says Hamas also violating humanitarian law by firing rockets indiscriminately"

god the U.N. is so fucking partisan ugh...

it's literally just "they gave israel billions and iron done but they''ve done fuck all to stop israel going to town on hospitals that have rockets near it maybe possibly that's if we don't upload an image of a misidentified target again" which you have translated to "give jew killers iron dome for more effective jew killing"

"Give Iron Dome to Gaza. Never mind the fact that Hamas is the Gazan government."

[Rehansu Tir]

Oh you've got to be fucking kidding me.

This just goes to show what type of partisan hacks the UN are.

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/1/un-condemns-israel-us-not-sharing-iron-dome-hamas/

I'm not at all surprised. Ms Pillay has made so many idiotic statements in the past several weeks, not only about the israeli-palestinian conflict, but also about the malaysian airliner downing in ukraine, that one has to wonder what website she ordered her law degree from and whether she's ever actually read the international laws she's supposed to be enforcing. I wonder whose poll she polished to get the job.

[Russian Socialist Soviet States]

Israel is like the Soviet Union of the Middle East. People move there because it is westernized.

That analogy makes no sense. How was the soviet union westernized? And why would christians move to israel or not leave israel if they're being persecuted, as you claim?

The Soviet Union was influenced by the Illuminati. Christians would go to Israel because it has the highest quality of living in the area.

[Oaledonia]

"Right Commissioner Navi Pillay says Hamas also violating humanitarian law by firing rockets indiscriminately"

god the U.N. is so fucking partisan ugh...

it's literally just "they gave israel billions and iron done but they''ve done fuck all to stop israel going to town on hospitals that have rockets near it maybe possibly that's if we don't upload an image of a misidentified target again" which you have translated to "give jew killers iron dome for more effective jew killing"

"Give Iron Dome to Gaza. Never mind the fact that Hamas is the Gazan government."

Iron Dome won't do much against a first world military, it was designed to shoot down small rockets and artillery.

[Alyakia]

"Right Commissioner Navi Pillay says Hamas also violating humanitarian law by firing rockets indiscriminately"

god the U.N. is so fucking partisan ugh...

it's literally just "they gave israel billions and iron done but they''ve done fuck all to stop israel going to town on hospitals that have rockets near it maybe possibly that's if we don't upload an image of a misidentified target again" which you have translated to "give jew killers iron dome for more effective jew killing"

"Give Iron Dome to Gaza. Never mind the fact that Hamas is the Gazan government."

criticizing the U.S. for not reigning in israel and not caring about palestinains getting shelled while sending billions to israel to help with rockets doesn't translate to "give hamas iron dome"

[Gauthier]

"Right Commissioner Navi Pillay says Hamas also violating humanitarian law by firing rockets indiscriminately"

god the U.N. is so fucking partisan ugh...

it's literally just "they gave israel billions and iron done but they''ve done fuck all to stop israel going to town on hospitals that have rockets near it maybe possibly that's if we don't upload an image of a misidentified target again" which you have translated to "give jew killers iron dome for more effective jew killing"

"Give Iron Dome to Gaza. Never mind the fact that Hamas is the Gazan government."

Reads like the UN demanded that Gaza also get equal protection from shelling (which the Iron Dome would do jack shit against as pointed out so many times). And so far only the Breitbart "source" spins it as "UN wants Israel to give Iron Dome to Hamas." Right. Breitbart, named after and founded after the guy who claimed he had evidence that would destroy the Obama administration. Well Andy, where was it?

[Gauthier]

"Give Iron Dome to Gaza. Never mind the fact that Hamas is the Gazan government."

criticizing the U.S. for not reigning in israel and not caring about palestinains getting shelled while sending billions to israel to help with rockets doesn't translate to "give hamas iron dome"

It does if you're working for Breitbart or hate Palestinians in general.

[Rehansu Tir]

i'm claiming that there's no "france is a french state (for the french ethnicity" declaration. frances census does not contain any information about ethnicity, so i don't think they're actually that concerned about keeping one ethnicity privileged over all others, unlike israel.

Which is just retarded. Then all these countries should change their names so as not to be identified with the ethnic groups who live there and founded the nation-states and their governments.

also england isn't a state. the english have a nation, but not a nation-state. the UK is considered a multinational state, not a nation-state.

Yes, it is. It's the United Kingdom or Great Britain and northern ireland. they are all semi-autonomous states that are part of the greater kingdom. The various states were at various times governed jointly, to different degrees, but with the devolution of government that's been going on in the UK for the past decade, england, scotland and wales are all very much independent states, under a common monarchy with shared infrastructure, such as military. They even all have their own national sports teams at international sporting events.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution ... ed_Kingdom

[Rehansu Tir]

Partisan, because she says that Israel and Hamas are committing war crimes, and that Israel has made no attempt to protect Palestinian civilians despite stripping them of any real sovereignty or government of their own?

Not only do the palestinians have their own government, they have two - hamas and fatah, in a situation they brought on themselves.

Partisan because she isolates israel for criticism and contempt, while diminishing and dismissing war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by the palestinians. SHe's already shown herself to be a bigot not only based on her comments about israel, but her various other ludicrous claims, such as her comparison of quebec with some of the worst human right abusers in the world.

Pillay expressed her opinion of the Quebec law in a single paragraph of a long speech in Geneva, during which she lamented rights violations in places such as North Korea, Zimbabwe and South Sudan.

She's seriously biased against western states and white people. Her time as the high commissioner for human rights has been one farce after another, because she can't keep from saying out loud the bigoted biased thoughts that are floating around her head.

[Rehansu Tir]

Are you really this disingenuous? Or do you genuinely not understand what I said?

I did. And what you said is really stupid.

here, here.

[Alyakia]

i'm claiming that there's no "france is a french state (for the french ethnicity" declaration. frances census does not contain any information about ethnicity, so i don't think they're actually that concerned about keeping one ethnicity privileged over all others, unlike israel.

Which is just retarded. Then all these countries should change their names so as not to be identified with the ethnic groups who live there and founded the nation-states and their governments.

also england isn't a state. the english have a nation, but not a nation-state. the UK is considered a multinational state, not a nation-state.

Yes, it is. It's the United Kingdom or Great Britain and northern ireland. they are all semi-autonomous states that are part of the greater kingdom. The various states were at various times governed jointly, to different degrees, but with the devolution of government that's been going on in the UK for the past decade, england, scotland and wales are all very much independent states, under a common monarchy with shared infrastructure, such as military. They even all have their own national sports teams at international sporting events.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution ... ed_Kingdom

maybe there's more to being french than ethnicity... hmm...

yes, i am quite aware. i live there. are you aware that england does not have any autonomy at all?

they are by definition not independent states.