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[Saiwania]

The Palestinians are notorious for walking away from negotiations without ever having made an offer or counter-offer of their own. They always wait to see what will be offered and then storm away and say that it's not enough and that there's no chance of peace.

And that is why I think Israel should officially state that they are permanently done trying to negotiate at all with Palestine and never allow for any Palestinian state until such a time as when the Palestinian delegation quits behaving like impudent bastards and accept a deal already or get nothing.

[Gauthier]

The Palestinians are notorious for walking away from negotiations without ever having made an offer or counter-offer of their own. They always wait to see what will be offered and then storm away and say that it's not enough and that there's no chance of peace.

And that is why I think Israel should officially state that they are permanently done trying to negotiate at all with Palestine and never allow for any Palestinian state until such a time as when the Palestinian delegation quits behaving like impudent bastards and accept a deal already or get nothing.

You of all people calling for ethnic cleansing. Delicious cosmic irony.

[SolasDagr]

Nice job insulting a dead girl.

She deserved to die though.

She didn't deserve to die. She deserved a swift kick in the ass by someone in her family (preferably a father) for getting herself involved in such matters and placing her life in danger. I honestly think that girl really did not understand what she was dealing with. I mean this in no offensive way: Jews are no joke , you mess with them and they'll fuck your ass up and feel not one iota of remorse about it. She had no business going in there trying to stop a fucking bulldozer. It would be stupid for a man to do so .. but at least a man might could've jerked the driver out and attempted to beat his ass. What was she going to do? NOTHING. So now she's a kind of matyr .. and nothing was gained.

[Alyakia]

She deserved to die though.

She didn't deserve to die. She deserved a swift kick in the ass by someone in her family (preferably a father) for getting herself involved in such matters and placing her life in danger. I honestly think that girl really did not understand what she was dealing with. I mean this in no offensive way: Jews are no joke , you mess with them and they'll fuck your ass up and feel not one iota of remorse about it. She had no business going in there trying to stop a fucking bulldozer. It would be stupid for a man to do so .. but at least a man might could've jerked the driver out and attempted to beat his ass. What was she going to do? NOTHING. So now she's a kind of matyr .. and nothing was gained.

stand in front a tank: hero
stand in front of a bulldozer: idiot

[SolasDagr]

She didn't deserve to die. She deserved a swift kick in the ass by someone in her family (preferably a father) for getting herself involved in such matters and placing her life in danger. I honestly think that girl really did not understand what she was dealing with. I mean this in no offensive way: Jews are no joke , you mess with them and they'll fuck your ass up and feel not one iota of remorse about it. She had no business going in there trying to stop a fucking bulldozer. It would be stupid for a man to do so .. but at least a man might could've jerked the driver out and attempted to beat his ass. What was she going to do? NOTHING. So now she's a kind of matyr .. and nothing was gained.

stand in front a tank: hero
stand in front of a bulldozer: idiot

Is this your opinion? Because nowhere did I mention that the guy who stood in front of a tank was a hero. I'm not a fan of martyrdom. Not that I think she intentionally meant to get run over.

[MERIZoC]

She didn't deserve to die. She deserved a swift kick in the ass by someone in her family (preferably a father) for getting herself involved in such matters and placing her life in danger. I honestly think that girl really did not understand what she was dealing with. I mean this in no offensive way: Jews are no joke , you mess with them and they'll fuck your ass up and feel not one iota of remorse about it. She had no business going in there trying to stop a fucking bulldozer. It would be stupid for a man to do so .. but at least a man might could've jerked the driver out and attempted to beat his ass. What was she going to do? NOTHING. So now she's a kind of matyr .. and nothing was gained.

stand in front a tank: hero
stand in front of a bulldozer: idiot

No, no, no. The vehicle itself doesn't matter. Here's the distinction.
Oppose ebul commies: Hero
Oppose the glorious IDF: Idiot

*nod nod*

[Saiwania]

You of all people calling for ethnic cleansing. Delicious cosmic irony.

So give me one good reason for why Gaza/West Bank should still exist if their only purpose is to be a thorn in Israel's side?

At least Israel has a valid reason to exist in the region, which is that they've won wars and land for themselves. Israel will rise to the challenge against any Arab countries which want to destroy them and would give no quarter in victory like they do.

[Gauthier]

You of all people calling for ethnic cleansing. Delicious cosmic irony.

So give me one good reason for why Gaza/West Bank should still exist if their only purpose is to be a thorn in Israel's side?

Because clearly every single Palestinian is a hivemind member of Hamas and if they weren't ghettoed down instead of being allowed to develop economically they would still want to rocket Israel because it's in their genes. *nod nod*

[Saiwania]

Because clearly every single Palestinian is a hivemind member of Hamas and if they weren't ghettoed down instead of being allowed to develop economically they would still want to rocket Israel because it's in their genes. *nod nod*

Every time Israel has left Gaza/West Bank alone thus far, Israel has been attacked by them. Intentionally or not, they have successfully impressed upon the Israelis that they need to keep a close eye on them because if left unchecked, they will continue posing a risk to Israel's national security.

This isn't just going to change overnight because at this point, the Palestinians' word is worthless to the Israeli people when they haven't fulfilled their part in any agreements for very long. The threshold for Israel's patience with them is getting pretty low these days, it will get lower.

[Gauthier]

Because clearly every single Palestinian is a hivemind member of Hamas and if they weren't ghettoed down instead of being allowed to develop economically they would still want to rocket Israel because it's in their genes. *nod nod*

Every time Israel has left Gaza/West Bank alone thus far, Israel has been attacked by them. Intentionally or not, they have successfully impressed upon the Israelis that they need to keep a close eye on them because if left unchecked, they will continue posing a risk to Israel's national security.

This isn't just going to change overnight because at this point, the Palestinians' word is worthless to the Israeli people when they haven't fulfilled their part in any agreements for very long. The threshold for Israel's patience with them is getting pretty low these days, it will get lower.

Yep, They Are Hamas. Resistance is Futile. You Will Be Allah-similated. *nod nod*

Let's conveniently ignore that Hamas was growing unpopular with the Palestinians before Israel started lobbing shit at Gaza.

[Viritica]

So give me one good reason for why Gaza/West Bank should still exist if their only purpose is to be a thorn in Israel's side?

Because clearly every single Palestinian is a hivemind member of Hamas and if they weren't ghettoed down instead of being allowed to develop economically they would still want to rocket Israel because it's in their genes. *nod nod*

You know, I find this hilarious. When the Israelis withdrew from Gaza back in 2005 they left the Palestinan people greenhouses filled with supplies. What was the first thing the Palestinians did when Israel left? They destroyed and looted them.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9331863/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/looters-strip-gaza-greenhouses/

[Viritica]

So Gauth, please tell more about how the evil Jews seek only to keep the Palestinian people down so they can expand their glorious Jewish Reich.

Heil Netenyahu!

[Gauthier]

So Gauth, please tell more about how the evil Jews seek only to keep the Palestinian people down so they can expand their glorious Jewish Reich.

Heil Netenyahu!

So you mean they're not trying to drive out the Gazans with the constant missiles and bombings, and they're doing that just for entertainment? Man, talk about the shining beacon of democracy in the Middle East.

[Viritica]

So Gauth, please tell more about how the evil Jews seek only to keep the Palestinian people down so they can expand their glorious Jewish Reich.

Heil Netenyahu!

So you mean they're not trying to drive out the Gazans with the constant missiles and bombings, and they're doing that just for entertainment? Man, talk about the shining beacon of democracy in the Middle East.

Let's ignore the fact that Israelis withdrew from all their settlements in Gaza in 2005. Let's also ignore the fact that the Israelis left the Palestinian people greenhouses filled with supplies in order to rebuild Gaza.

Let's ignore all of that so you can keep masturbating to your Jewish Reich fantasy.

[Rehansu Tir]

Yes, that was the second intifada. The bulldozing of homes was israel's way of deterring suicide bombers, who obviously didn't care about their own lives, but hopefully cared about the livelihoods of their families - thus israel would bulldoze the home of anyone who acted as a suicide bomber.

is this you admitting that the house demolitions were intentionally designed to hurt their families?

Hurt them without killing them, which is more than the US does when it just bombs everyone and anyone in afghanistan and pakistan and more than hamas does when it throws it's political opponents from 10 story buildings. But their families are complicit, because they knew or should have known their family members were terrorists and did nothing about it.

[Rehansu Tir]

is this you admitting that the house demolitions were intentionally designed to hurt their families?

I'm fine with that though. Palestinians need to be transfered to Palestine (Jordan).

is that the only thought you have in your head?

[Alyakia]

is this you admitting that the house demolitions were intentionally designed to hurt their families?

Hurt them without killing them, which is more than the US does when it just bombs everyone and anyone in afghanistan and pakistan and more than hamas does when it throws it's political opponents from 10 story buildings. But their families are complicit, because they knew or should have known their family members were terrorists and did nothing about it.

i like how you say hurt without killing, as if that makes it better. you're aware that collective punishment is kinda a youknowwhat, right?

[Rehansu Tir]

Hurt them without killing them, which is more than the US does when it just bombs everyone and anyone in afghanistan and pakistan and more than hamas does when it throws it's political opponents from 10 story buildings. But their families are complicit, because they knew or should have known their family members were terrorists and did nothing about it.

i like how you say hurt without killing, as if that makes it better. you're aware that collective punishment is kinda a youknowwhat, right?

You mean like the collective punishment of firing rockets randomly at israeli citizens? Yeah. See the thing about that is that it works both ways. Fortunately for hamas and the palestinians, the UN and international community doesn't care when the palestinians commit war crimes. the fact of the matter is, that war is, in and of itself, collective punishment, whether it happens on your territory or overseas. Just ask the families of soldiers who serve in combat zones abroad.

[Great Zionist Israel]

Even the islamic Arabs are supporting Israel against palestinian terrorism.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/world ... .html?_r=0

[United States Kingdom]

Even the islamic Arabs are supporting Israel against palestinian terrorism.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/world ... .html?_r=0

Well Jordan, and Egypt have stated that Hamas is a terrorist organization so that isn't surprising although I am not sure about Saudi Arabia.

[Rio Cana]

Seems five diplomats from five different nations have been recalled in protest to what is happening. The five nations are Brazil, Chile, Peru, El Salvador and Ecuador. I do know that Chile has one of the largest Palestinian population outside of the home region. El Salvador also has a Palestinian population. One of there Presidents parents was of Palestinian stock. Of course, the greater majority in Latin America are Christian.

Found a video on how being Palestinian but of Christian religion is no guarantee of safety.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1ovdA1VZ-c

This video shows a Palestinian kid, Islamic I think he is Islamic, who tends sheep who was harassed for no reason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8s8x0h8wA0

So where is the justice. Justice is a two way street.

[Rio Cana]

So you mean they're not trying to drive out the Gazans with the constant missiles and bombings, and they're doing that just for entertainment? Man, talk about the shining beacon of democracy in the Middle East.

Let's ignore the fact that Israelis withdrew from all their settlements in Gaza in 2005. Let's also ignore the fact that the Israelis left the Palestinian people greenhouses filled with supplies in order to rebuild Gaza.

Let's ignore all of that so you can keep masturbating to your Jewish Reich fantasy.

Unfortunately, its the UN and US which are paying to support the Palestinian people and propping up the Palestinian economy. They are the ones sending food, building schools and infrastructure not Israel. They were saying on a tv news show that the occupier is suppose to pay for those things, which is Israel, and not the international community.

[Viritica]

Let's ignore the fact that Israelis withdrew from all their settlements in Gaza in 2005. Let's also ignore the fact that the Israelis left the Palestinian people greenhouses filled with supplies in order to rebuild Gaza.

Let's ignore all of that so you can keep masturbating to your Jewish Reich fantasy.

Unfortunately, its the UN and US which are paying to support the Palestinian people. dThey are the ones sending food, building schools and infrastructure not Israel. They were saying on a tv news show that the occupier is suppose to pay for those things, which is Israel, and not the international community.

And Israel does pay for those things. They supply the Palestinian people with food, power, and water.

[Alyakia]

i like how you say hurt without killing, as if that makes it better. you're aware that collective punishment is kinda a youknowwhat, right?

You mean like the collective punishment of firing rockets randomly at israeli citizens? Yeah. See the thing about that is that it works both ways. Fortunately for hamas and the palestinians, the UN and international community doesn't care when the palestinians commit war crimes. the fact of the matter is, that war is, in and of itself, collective punishment, whether it happens on your territory or overseas. Just ask the families of soldiers who serve in combat zones abroad.

sure

you see the thing is you can't go BUT HAMAS every time someone calls israel/you on on supporting what are at worst war crimes and as best massively immoral.

[Viritica]

You mean like the collective punishment of firing rockets randomly at israeli citizens? Yeah. See the thing about that is that it works both ways. Fortunately for hamas and the palestinians, the UN and international community doesn't care when the palestinians commit war crimes. the fact of the matter is, that war is, in and of itself, collective punishment, whether it happens on your territory or overseas. Just ask the families of soldiers who serve in combat zones abroad.

sure

you see the thing is you can't go BUT HAMAS every time someone calls israel/you on on supporting what are at worst war crimes and as best massively immoral.

So should we prosecute the USA for firebombing Tokyo?

Cause that seems like collective punishment.