Israel / Gaza / Hamas Mega-Thread

[DBJ]

No.

Yeah they are, its a vicious cycle of hatred and both sides keep fuelling one another and building it up, Hamas fires rockets from civilian areas, Israel responds by blowing the fuck out of those civilian areas, which just fuels more hate against Israel and more support from Hamas, and Hamas knows this, so that is why they continue to do it. And the Israeli's have an attitude of "we are not backing down and wont be intimidated" so they keep doing it as well.

It just keeps on going, so yeah both sides are heavily at fault.

If hamas would be the dominant military force you'd have a real genocide within a day. If you don't understand the moral difference between Israel trying to defend itself and it's citizens and hamas trying to destroy Israel there's not much to discuss.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

It was pretty obvious you'd just yell out strawman and be done with it. People keep saying that but they just never manage to show how Israel does just that.

You said:

Yeah because all we do is go rounding up Palestinians and systematically exterminating them.

As if that was what I claimed.

Since I did not claim that, your post was a strawman.

Next.

[Geilinor]

Yes, if they are represented in a certain manner they are.

So, if Jewish people do something bad and you point it out, you're anti-semitic. Gotcha.

Such as claiming Israel is "clearly the aggressor".

Considering Palestine existed, then Israel was carved out of it without fucking asking Palestinians, yeah, I'd say its very existence is aggression.

The Palestinians were asked, there was a partition plan.

[Kubra]

Israel's just done a much, much better job.

Don't tell me you've never seen the videos of Israeli snipers taking shots at Palestinian children playing on a rooftop.

And for the much better job, let's just say that what the palestinian lack in material, they remplace it by zeal and superior manpower.

Don't tell me you've never seen the video of palestinian kamikaze blowing themselve up in market place or bus when they're the most crowded while yelling "Allah Wakbah"?

fun fact: suicide bombing in the middle east werent popular until 1983. It wouldn't be until 1993 that Hamas (and later, even groups like the PFLP) would use suicide bombings as a weapon. Like, shit, everyone knew just how effective suicide bombing was by the first intifada but barely anyone did it.

[DBJ]

Yes, if they are represented in a certain manner they are.

So, if Jewish people do something bad and you point it out, you're anti-semitic. Gotcha.

Such as claiming Israel is "clearly the aggressor".

Considering Palestine existed, then Israel was carved out of it without fucking asking Palestinians, yeah, I'd say its very existence is aggression.

Just facts obviously.

Also, you fail at history.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yeah they are, its a vicious cycle of hatred and both sides keep fuelling one another and building it up, Hamas fires rockets from civilian areas, Israel responds by blowing the fuck out of those civilian areas, which just fuels more hate against Israel and more support from Hamas, and Hamas knows this, so that is why they continue to do it. And the Israeli's have an attitude of "we are not backing down and wont be intimidated" so they keep doing it as well.

It just keeps on going, so yeah both sides are heavily at fault.

If hamas would be the dominant military force you'd have a real genocide within a day. If you don't understand the moral difference between Israel trying to defend itself and it's citizens and hamas trying to destroy Israel there's not much to discuss.

This is not a small precise bombing to defend yourself, that's just dropping bombs wherever you want because fuck the people who live there.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

So, if Jewish people do something bad and you point it out, you're anti-semitic. Gotcha.

Considering Palestine existed, then Israel was carved out of it without fucking asking Palestinians, yeah, I'd say its very existence is aggression.

The Palestinians were asked, there was a partition plan.

And they said no.

"The Jewish Agency, which was the recognized representative of the Jewish community, accepted the plan. The Arab League and Arab Higher Committee of Palestine rejected it, and indicated that they would reject any other plan of partition."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Zi ... sh_mandate

[Prussia-Steinbach]

So, if Jewish people do something bad and you point it out, you're anti-semitic. Gotcha.

Considering Palestine existed, then Israel was carved out of it without fucking asking Palestinians, yeah, I'd say its very existence is aggression.

Just facts obviously.

Also, you fail at history.

I do not speak German.

And gr8 argument bruh 11/10

At least the other people in this thread know how to debate.

[Atomic Utopia]

If hamas would be the dominant military force you'd have a real genocide within a day. If you don't understand the moral difference between Israel trying to defend itself and it's citizens and hamas trying to destroy Israel there's not much to discuss.

Hahahaha, No.

Hamas may be terrible, but Israel is not trailing that far behind them in how terrible they are. Case in point, Israel restricting Palestinians from basic jobs, restricting them from using public transportation, in essence putting them in ghettos. Israel is as bad as their former ally, apartheid era South Africa, except South Africa is no longer under apartheid so that is unfair to South Africa.

Israel is only marginally better than Hamas.

[Geilinor]

The Palestinians were asked, there was a partition plan.

And they said no.

"The Jewish Agency, which was the recognized representative of the Jewish community, accepted the plan. The Arab League and Arab Higher Committee of Palestine rejected it, and indicated that they would reject any other plan of partition."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Zi ... sh_mandate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%9348_Civil_War_in_Mandatory_Palestine
The Civil War in Palestine started the next day. It was too late to stop it by then and the Arab countries invaded the next year.

[Atomic Utopia]

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Just facts obviously.

Also, you fail at history.

WOW, such amazing debate skills, posting a picture that has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about.

[DBJ]

If hamas would be the dominant military force you'd have a real genocide within a day. If you don't understand the moral difference between Israel trying to defend itself and it's citizens and hamas trying to destroy Israel there's not much to discuss.

This is not a small precise bombing to defend yourself, that's just dropping bombs wherever you want because fuck the people who live there.

Yes, it isn't? I guess your an expert, getting all that information out of one pic. Unfortunately I'm not, I can't judge if it was precise or not.

[DBJ]

If hamas would be the dominant military force you'd have a real genocide within a day. If you don't understand the moral difference between Israel trying to defend itself and it's citizens and hamas trying to destroy Israel there's not much to discuss.

Hahahaha, No.

Hamas may be terrible, but Israel is not trailing that far behind them in how terrible they are. Case in point, Israel restricting Palestinians from basic jobs, restricting them from using public transportation, in essence putting them in ghettos. Israel is as bad as their former ally, apartheid era South Africa, except South Africa is no longer under apartheid so that is unfair to South Africa.

Israel is only marginally better than Hamas.

Israel is offering tons of jobs for palestinians. When it comes to public transportation, certain security measures must be taken. Not hard to understand. There's no discrimination.

[Washington Resistance Army]

This is not a small precise bombing to defend yourself, that's just dropping bombs wherever you want because fuck the people who live there.

Yes, it isn't? I guess your an expert, getting all that information out of one pic. Unfortunately I'm not, I can't judge if it was precise or not.

Because clearly leveling an entire city bloc to destroy one building that MIGHT have some weapons is defending yourself

Lets change up this situation, lets say someone in your neighborhood shoots a shit powered firework at me. Am I then justified in coming over to your neighborhood and leveling it?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

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Just facts obviously.

Also, you fail at history.

WOW, such amazing debate skills, posting a picture that has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about.

Don't forget facts = anti-semitism.

[Occupied Deutschland]

The Palestinians were asked, there was a partition plan.

And they said no.

"The Jewish Agency, which was the recognized representative of the Jewish community, accepted the plan. The Arab League and Arab Higher Committee of Palestine rejected it, and indicated that they would reject any other plan of partition."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Zi ... sh_mandate

The mandate then descended into civil war, in large part due to a reticent Britain unwilling and/or unable to enforce law, between Jews and Arabs in the region.

The end of colonialism in the Middle East is not the same as aggression by Israel, and in fact one is quite easily able to make the argument that Israel established itself by way of a war of independence.

[Cederland]

From what I can tell? Some Israeli soldiers have quite the penchant for shooting children.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Israel is offering tons of jobs for palestinians.

Source.

When it comes to public transportation, certain security measures must be taken. Not hard to understand. There's no discrimination.

That is literally discrimination. "Certain security measures must be taken"? Barring/segregating Palestinians from public transport in any way is discriminatory and disgusting.

The above comparison to apartheid South Africa is totally legitimate. The State of Israel appalls and disgusts me.

[Geilinor]

Israel is offering tons of jobs for palestinians.

Source.

You need a source? I'll bite. http://www.haaretz.com/business/.premium-1.645266

[MERIZoC]

From what I can tell? Some Israeli soldiers have quite the penchant for shooting children.

And? The disgusting use of children as weapons does not in any way justify the murder of said children.

[DBJ]

Yes, it isn't? I guess your an expert, getting all that information out of one pic. Unfortunately I'm not, I can't judge if it was precise or not.

Because clearly leveling an entire city bloc to destroy one building that MIGHT have some weapons is defending yourself

Lets change up this situation, lets say someone in your neighborhood shoots a shit powered firework at me. Am I then justified in coming over to your neighborhood and leveling it?

You have access to Israeli intelligence? You know why they bombed that specific target? What information they had? Or are you're talking out of your ass?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

From what I can tell? Some Israeli soldiers have quite the penchant for shooting children.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Source.

You need a source? I'll bite. http://www.haaretz.com/business/.premium-1.645266

That's fantastic, then.

Now, to the Jewish Jim Crow.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because clearly leveling an entire city bloc to destroy one building that MIGHT have some weapons is defending yourself

Lets change up this situation, lets say someone in your neighborhood shoots a shit powered firework at me. Am I then justified in coming over to your neighborhood and leveling it?

You have access to Israeli intelligence? You know why they bombed that specific target? What information they had? Or are you're talking out of your ass?

That's the excuse they used when they bombed everything including hospitals and centers for the disabled now answer my fucking question.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Because clearly leveling an entire city bloc to destroy one building that MIGHT have some weapons is defending yourself

Lets change up this situation, lets say someone in your neighborhood shoots a shit powered firework at me. Am I then justified in coming over to your neighborhood and leveling it?

You have access to Israeli intelligence? You know why they bombed that specific target? What information they had? Or are you're talking out of your ass?

I find it extremely hard to believe that entire area was solely full of dangerous militants and arms.