Is it time to deploy the National Guard at the S. Border?

[Organized States]

Question:
With the growing immigration crisis, and CPB (Customs and Border Protection) overwhelmed by the sheer amount of people crossing or attempting to cross the border as well as the increasing amount of violent crime, is it time to federalize and deploy the National Guard to the US-Mexico Border?

My opinion:
Now might be the right time, the National Guard would act as a temporary police force operating in conjunction with the CBP, and County and State Law Enforcement in order to secure the border. I see it as a triple win, one objective could be to build larger temporary shelter areas for the immigrants, another would be the repair of the border fence in the area, and the third would be both the reduction of illegal immigration and crime.

What do you think NS General, Is it time to deploy the National Guard to the US-Mexico border?

[Murkwood]

Yes. I'm surprised we haven't done it earlier. Immigration reform can't move forward until the border is secure.

[Ifreann]

Question:
With the growing immigration crisis, and CPB (Customs and Border Protection) overwhelmed by the sheer amount of people crossing or attempting to cross the border as well as the increasing amount of violent crime, is it time to federalize and deploy the National Guard to the US-Mexico Border?

Demonstrate that there is a crisis, that CBP is overwhelmed, and that violent crime is increasing, then we'll talk about what should be done about those things.

[Ashmoria]

what overwhelming number of people?

[Organized States]

Yes. I'm surprised we haven't done it earlier. Immigration reform can't move forward until the border is secure.

True. No true reform can be made until a temporary fix is made so the policy makers can have time to make their decision.

[Areoterk]

I say we just invade them already so we can make everyone happy. (Sarcasm)

in actuality, no, why would we need the national guard, these people are only trying to find better lives, if we catch them, then good job, if not, well, it doesn't really matter in my opinion.

Yes. I'm surprised we haven't done it earlier. Immigration reform can't move forward until the border is secure.

I still say no, but this is a pretty good point.

[Ostroeuropa]

what overwhelming number of people?

Do we finally learn after all this time the anti-immigration people are overwhelmed by numbers and that's why they don't understand it's not that many people, and THATS why they never learn that their opinions are silly?

Four pastries please.
THATS AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER. I CANNOT COMPREHEND ITS MAGNITUDE.

Take a look at the number of immigrants as a percentage of population growth each year. Go ahead. Go ahead and do it.
Then tell me it's a fucking problem we need to take seriously. Jesus people.

(not talking to you there ashmoria.)

[Organized States]

what overwhelming number of people?

When we have to turn warehouses into possible immigration processing centers because the others are already full, we have to many people attempting to cross.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/2 ... 24510.html

[Ostroeuropa]

what overwhelming number of people?

When we have to turn warehouses into possible immigration processing centers because the others are already full, we have to many people attempting to cross.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/2 ... 24510.html

What is the percentage of immigrants each year as a percentage of population growth.
Go ahead.

[Risottia]

What do you think NS General, Is it time to deploy the National Guard to the US-Mexico border?

Yes. And to use it to
a) jail the human traffickers and the exploiters of illegal workers, and
b) start up rounding those cretins who want to shoot at the immigrants and expelling them to, dunno, how about South Georgia?

[Areoterk]

what overwhelming number of people?

When we have to turn warehouses into possible immigration processing centers because the others are already full, we have to many people attempting to cross.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/2 ... 24510.html

I thought we where just lazy and didn't want to build more Immigration processing centers.

What do you think NS General, Is it time to deploy the National Guard to the US-Mexico border?

Yes. And to use it to
a) jail the human traffickers and the exploiters of illegal workers, and
b) start up rounding those cretins who want to shoot at the immigrants and expelling them to, dunno, how about South Georgia?

Agreed to 200%

[Ashmoria]

what overwhelming number of people?

Do we finally learn after all this time the anti-immigration people are overwhelmed by numbers and that's why they don't understand it's not that many people, and THATS why they never learn that their opinions are silly?

Four pastries please.
THATS AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER. I CANNOT COMPREHEND ITS MAGNITUDE.

Take a look at the number of immigrants as a percentage of population growth each year. Go ahead. Go ahead and do it.
Then tell me it's a fucking problem we need to take seriously. Jesus people.

(not talking to you there ashmoria.)

its amusing to be responded to with a rant that I might have written myself.

the whole notion flies in the face of reality. we have fewer people coming in illegally and more deportations than ever. why would we need to militarize the border?

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

I say we make a big sign that says.

"Welcome to America, you are only half way to Canada!

[Ashmoria]

what overwhelming number of people?

When we have to turn warehouses into possible immigration processing centers because the others are already full, we have to many people attempting to cross.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/2 ... 24510.html

well no.

that whole child thing is increasing but the total number is not overwhelming. we just weren't prepared to hold so many children at one time.

[Ostroeuropa]

Do we finally learn after all this time the anti-immigration people are overwhelmed by numbers and that's why they don't understand it's not that many people, and THATS why they never learn that their opinions are silly?

Four pastries please.
THATS AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER. I CANNOT COMPREHEND ITS MAGNITUDE.

Take a look at the number of immigrants as a percentage of population growth each year. Go ahead. Go ahead and do it.
Then tell me it's a fucking problem we need to take seriously. Jesus people.

(not talking to you there ashmoria.)

its amusing to be responded to with a rant that I might have written myself.

the whole notion flies in the face of reality. we have fewer people coming in illegally and more deportations than ever. why would we need to militarize the border?

For the same reason we need to take a hatchet to the welfare state to stop the totally real and not imaginary hordes of people who are abusing the system.
It's to quell the paranoia and eye-darting panic of people overwhelmed with classism, racism, and sexism who are terrified of their fellow creatures being out to get them, because they themselves are ruthlessly cutthroat and selfish in their day to day business that they think absolutely everyone is like them.
Or it could be because the media turns them into that sort of person for easy political victories.
Or it could be they were raised to think that way.

Either way, it's not pretty.

[Organized States]

what overwhelming number of people?

Do we finally learn after all this time the anti-immigration people are overwhelmed by numbers and that's why they don't understand it's not that many people, and THATS why they never learn that their opinions are silly?

Four pastries please.
THATS AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER. I CANNOT COMPREHEND ITS MAGNITUDE.

Take a look at the number of immigrants as a percentage of population growth each year. Go ahead. Go ahead and do it.
Then tell me it's a fucking problem we need to take seriously. Jesus people.

(not talking to you there ashmoria.)

The fact of the matter is, both sides of the political spectrum have seriously underestimated or overestimated this problem for years. The Immigration surge that has occurred in recent years has been, well, underestimated by the Obama Administration, after it was overestimated by the Bush Administration. Basically, one party has said "Let's build a giant wall!", while the other, "Let's get rid of the giant wall!" Until both of them realized that either way, the problem hasn't been solved.

[Ifreann]

When we have to turn warehouses into possible immigration processing centers because the others are already full, we have to many people attempting to cross.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/2 ... 24510.html

well no.

that whole child thing is increasing but the total number is not overwhelming. we just weren't prepared to hold so many children at one time.

And what would the National Guard be able to do with children crossing the border that Homeland Security couldn't?

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Do we finally learn after all this time the anti-immigration people are overwhelmed by numbers and that's why they don't understand it's not that many people, and THATS why they never learn that their opinions are silly?

Four pastries please.
THATS AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER. I CANNOT COMPREHEND ITS MAGNITUDE.

Take a look at the number of immigrants as a percentage of population growth each year. Go ahead. Go ahead and do it.
Then tell me it's a fucking problem we need to take seriously. Jesus people.

(not talking to you there ashmoria.)

The fact of the matter is, both sides of the political spectrum have seriously underestimated or overestimated this problem for years. The Immigration surge that has occurred in recent years has been, well, underestimated by the Obama Administration, after it was overestimated by the Bush Administration. Basically, one party has said "Let's build a giant wall!", while the other, "Let's get rid of the giant wall!" Until both of them realized that either way, the problem hasn't been solved.

Why aren't you supporting these things you're claiming with facts and evidence? Or are you just assuming that the truth is somewhere between Obama and Bush because the golden mean turns you on?

[Murkwood]

When we have to turn warehouses into possible immigration processing centers because the others are already full, we have to many people attempting to cross.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/2 ... 24510.html

well no.

that whole child thing is increasing but the total number is not overwhelming. we just weren't prepared to hold so many children at one time.

One could say the children surprised and overwhelmed Texas and Arizona. If we had the National Guard, and if Pena helped, this wouldn't happen.

[Ostroeuropa]

If you want to talk about cultural assimilation, i'm probably on your side.
If you want to talk about the melting pot and that shit, i'm right there with you. There ARE problems with letting immigrants into the country, and they need to be addressed. You need to ensure they are connected to the main culture, settle them properly, ensure they learn english and have the economic means to integrate. You need to ensure the schools don't discriminate against their offspring so as to not fester a grudge.
You need to pilfer their culture for the good bits, and encourage them to discard the rest.
But what you don't need to do is flip your fucking shit when they turn up and declare we've got enough already.

But when you constantly make out that the NUMBER of immigrants is a problem, you lose me as an ally, because it's flatly just not fucking true.
It makes the multiculturalist types and their allies completely right when they point out that anti-immigration is a scare tactic to conjure up the ghost of racism.
It's nonsense. If your argument can't be advanced without making shit up, then it's a shit argument.

[Organized States]

well no.

that whole child thing is increasing but the total number is not overwhelming. we just weren't prepared to hold so many children at one time.

And what would the National Guard be able to do with children crossing the border that Homeland Security couldn't?

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The fact of the matter is, both sides of the political spectrum have seriously underestimated or overestimated this problem for years. The Immigration surge that has occurred in recent years has been, well, underestimated by the Obama Administration, after it was overestimated by the Bush Administration. Basically, one party has said "Let's build a giant wall!", while the other, "Let's get rid of the giant wall!" Until both of them realized that either way, the problem hasn't been solved.

Why aren't you supporting these things you're claiming with facts and evidence? Or are you just assuming that the truth is somewhere between Obama and Bush because the golden mean turns you on?

As for the National Guard, they have large amounts of experience in building temporary shelter at low cost that could more sufficiently hold the child immigrants. Or they could finish the Border Fence that has been on again off again in the DHS.
Political Problems over the Border: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /11306451/
http://www.kvue.com/story/news/state/20 ... /11333687/

I'm not attempting to put the blame here on anything other than years of partisan politics with absolutely nothing being done by either side for the past decade. This problem isn't going to get any better.

[Ostroeuropa]

And what would the National Guard be able to do with children crossing the border that Homeland Security couldn't?

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Why aren't you supporting these things you're claiming with facts and evidence? Or are you just assuming that the truth is somewhere between Obama and Bush because the golden mean turns you on?

As for the National Guard, they have large amounts of experience in building temporary shelter at low cost that could more sufficiently hold the immigrants. Or they could finish the Border Fence that has been on again off again in the DHS.
Political Problems over the Border: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /11306451/
http://www.kvue.com/story/news/state/20 ... /11333687/

This isn't world war Z.
You can't have the national guard just open fire onto hordes of brown people and call it a day.

[Organized States]

As for the National Guard, they have large amounts of experience in building temporary shelter at low cost that could more sufficiently hold the immigrants. Or they could finish the Border Fence that has been on again off again in the DHS.
Political Problems over the Border: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /11306451/
http://www.kvue.com/story/news/state/20 ... /11333687/

This isn't world war Z.
You can't have the national guard just open fire onto hordes of brown people and call it a day.

Did I say that I wanted the National Guard to "Fire on Brown People"? And I take great offense to that comment, myself being half Native American/Hispanic.

[Ostroeuropa]

This isn't world war Z.
You can't have the national guard just open fire onto hordes of brown people and call it a day.

Did I say that I wanted the National Guard to "Fire on Brown People"? And I take great offense to that comment, myself being half Native American/Hispanic.

Then why the national guard exactly. I don't particularly care if you take offense.

[Dooom35796821595]

I thought you meant along the division between the Northern states and southern states like Texas...perhaps preparing for civil war MK 2. You could always follow South Koreas example and deploy autonomous sentry turrets. Reason? Because it's cool. Time to deploy the T1s

[Ifreann]

And what would the National Guard be able to do with children crossing the border that Homeland Security couldn't?

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Why aren't you supporting these things you're claiming with facts and evidence? Or are you just assuming that the truth is somewhere between Obama and Bush because the golden mean turns you on?

As for the National Guard, they have large amounts of experience in building temporary shelter at low cost that could more sufficiently hold the child immigrants.

I doubt the National Guard have many members with training in childcare.

Or they could finish the Border Fence that has been on again off again in the DHS.

That would be a job better suited to construction workers, no?

Political Problems over the Border: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /11306451/
http://www.kvue.com/story/news/state/20 ... /11333687/

No, not news stories. Facts. Hard numbers showing that both the Bush and Obama administrations have been wrong about the illegal immigration problem issue.

I'm not attempting to put the blame here on anything other than years of partisan politics with absolutely nothing being done by either side for the past decade. This problem isn't going to get any better.

Isn't it? And how do you know that?