Anarcho-capitalism and the state

[Liberaxia]

Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy which maintains that taxation in any form is outright theft. It's adherents advocate for a voluntary society that is free from the meddlesome interference of the state. Skeptics are quick to bring up issues like public schools, welfare, and roads. Anarcho-capitalists have outlined their answers to these matters. Then the skeptic brings up the matter of enforcement and dispute resolution. He asks the ancap how they'd handle these two issues without a government. The ancap is stuck: these things are needed for functioning markets, but establishing a government to handle them would mean taxation. This is, I believe, anarcho-capitalism's largest hurdle in convincing others of the efficacy of their system (I'm sure anarcho-capitalists will agree with me).

The anarcho-capitalist solution to the issue of law enforcement is to have a free market of defense firms and courts. Consumers would contract defense firms for protection and parties with disputes would agree on arbitration before a judge. Defense firms could work out inter-agency agreements on how to arbitrate and handle disputes between their clients. Now, the average Joe at this point will just be dumbfounded. They'd think the anarcho-capitalist has gone completely insane. If they're stubborn, they'll inquire as to how he knows such a system will work. Why wouldn't one company just try to take over the others? What about monopolies? What about the poor? Why wouldn't warlords rush in to fill the power vacuum?

But I've got a more interesting question: What should we call an entity whose clients contract with for the purposes of protection and law enforcement?

Your thoughts?

[The Liberated Territories]

Private Arbitration Supplier.

Off topic, but seriously, do you have anything better to do than to criticize libertarianism in every thread you make?

[Liberaxia]

Private Arbitration Supplier.

Off topic, but seriously, do you have anything better to do than to criticize libertarianism in every thread you make?

Last one, I promise. It's just that I've had a flood of these and I just needed to get them out. I find it an incredibly fascinating topic.

[Threlizdun]

"Anarcho-capitalism" does not exist, as it is a contradiction of terms. The individuals who refer to themselves as "anarcho-capitalists" are simply neo-feudalists. They support the state, albeit one that doesn't even pretend to exist to ensure the wellbeing of those it rules over, and rather makes quite public the fact that they exist purely to serve the ruling class.

[The Liberated Territories]

Private Arbitration Supplier.

Off topic, but seriously, do you have anything better to do than to criticize libertarianism in every thread you make?

Last one, I promise. It's just that I've had a flood of these and I just needed to get them out. I find it an incredibly fascinating topic.

I am not an AnCap, but some libertarian scholars do go into the idea. Here:

http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Libertari ... er_29.html

For the courts, it's called Polycentric Law. Basically you'll go around and around until one of the parties reaches to an agreement. If the courts would constantly pander to the rich, then they would gain a bad reputation and poorer clients would seek out "social justice" (not literally) courts.

[Threlizdun]

Private Arbitration Supplier.

Off topic, but seriously, do you have anything better to do than to criticize libertarianism in every thread you make?

They didn't criticize libertarianism. They are criticizing an overwhelmingly authoritarian proposed society that thankfully would destroy itself.

[The Liberated Territories]

Private Arbitration Supplier.

Off topic, but seriously, do you have anything better to do than to criticize libertarianism in every thread you make?

They didn't criticize libertarianism. They are criticizing an overwhelmingly authoritarian proposed society that thankfully would destroy itself.

Sorry, forgot to capitalize it.

Oh, and while not being completely voluntaryist, early Pennsylvania was a good example of a primitive form.

[Terrakristovia]

=What should we call an entity whose clients contract with for the purposes of protection and law enforcement?

Your thoughts?

I learned about this solution through Stefan Molyneaux's book Practical Anarchy. There he refers to these entities as DROs--Dispute Resolution Organizations. They replace courts and police.

[Threlizdun]

They didn't criticize libertarianism. They are criticizing an overwhelmingly authoritarian proposed society that thankfully would destroy itself.

Sorry, forgot to capitalize it.

Doesn't really change anything. Still an incorrect term.

Oh, and while not being completely voluntaryist, early Pennsylvania was a good example of a primitive form.

The ideal "volunyaryist" society involves mass persecution and the strict merging of a vengeful and xenophobic state with violent religious fundamentalism?

[The Liberated Territories]

Doesn't really change anything. Still an incorrect term.

Actually, it isn't.

lib·er·tar·i·an·ism
ˌlibərˈte(ə)rēəˌnizəm/Submit
noun
an extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens.

That is from Google. Your turn.

The ideal "volunyaryist" society involves mass persecution and the strict merging of a vengeful and xenophobic state with violent religious fundamentalism?

Rofl. Okay, backing away slowly now.

[Terrakristovia]

The ideal "volunyaryist" society involves mass persecution and the strict merging of a vengeful and xenophobic state with violent religious fundamentalism?

The ideal Voluntaryist society doesn't involve any state. Religious fundamentalism is kind of irrelevant to this discussion, since it can exist with or without a state. It's a cultural issue.

[Threlizdun]

Doesn't really change anything. Still an incorrect term.

Actually, it isn't.

lib·er·tar·i·an·ism
ˌlibərˈte(ə)rēəˌnizəm/Submit
noun
an extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens.

That is from Google. Your turn.

While this is an overly simplistic explanation of the ideology, it is still one classical liberals and neo-feudalists fail to fulfill. Libertarianism is, and always has been, an ideology tied to opposition of the authoritarianism of the state and capitalism. It is a radical left ideology promoting an egalitarian society that maximizes individual freedoms. It never has been and never will be compatible with capitalism.

The ideal "volunyaryist" society involves mass persecution and the strict merging of a vengeful and xenophobic state with violent religious fundamentalism?

Rofl. Okay, backing away slowly now.[/quote]Erm, do you have any idea what life in early Pennsylvania was like? Yes, religious persecution was a major problem that plagued early Pennsylvania.

[Liberaxia]

Last one, I promise. It's just that I've had a flood of these and I just needed to get them out. I find it an incredibly fascinating topic.

I am not an AnCap, but some libertarian scholars do go into the idea. Here:

http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Libertari ... er_29.html

For the courts, it's called Polycentric Law. Basically you'll go around and around until one of the parties reaches to an agreement. If the courts would constantly pander to the rich, then they would gain a bad reputation and poorer clients would seek out "social justice" (not literally) courts.

I'm familiar with the idea, but I'm skeptical of it in that it seems to have been developed by economists who know jack squat about law. I do consider David Friedman one of the more reasonable ones though.

[Avenio]

=What should we call an entity whose clients contract with for the purposes of protection and law enforcement?

Your thoughts?

I learned about this solution through Stefan Molyneaux's book Practical Anarchy. There he refers to these entities as DROs--Dispute Resolution Organizations. They replace courts and police.

That's an interesting name for Ser Gregor Clegane and his men.

[Liberaxia]

=What should we call an entity whose clients contract with for the purposes of protection and law enforcement?

Your thoughts?

I learned about this solution through Stefan Molyneaux's book Practical Anarchy. There he refers to these entities as DROs--Dispute Resolution Organizations. They replace courts and police.

I hope you can understand how it may only seem like a change of name to some.

[Geilinor]

=What should we call an entity whose clients contract with for the purposes of protection and law enforcement?

Your thoughts?

I learned about this solution through Stefan Molyneaux's book Practical Anarchy. There he refers to these entities as DROs--Dispute Resolution Organizations. They replace courts and police.

Why do you want to replace the courts and police with something extremely similar?

[Geilinor]

Private Arbitration Supplier.

So, lawyers? I so love your redefining of terms to make your ideas sound revolutionary.

[Liberaxia]

I learned about this solution through Stefan Molyneaux's book Practical Anarchy. There he refers to these entities as DROs--Dispute Resolution Organizations. They replace courts and police.

Why do you want to replace the courts and police with something extremely similar?

Replace one Leviathan with another Leviathan.

[Terrakristovia]

Libertarianism is, and always has been, an ideology tied to opposition of the authoritarianism of the state and capitalism. It is a radical left ideology promoting an egalitarian society that maximizes individual freedoms. It never has been and never will be compatible with capitalism.

Capitalism ("the free market") is the natural state the economy (system of trading) would be in if there were no government whatsoever. Nobody had to "invent" capitalism. A free society just tends toward it as the best way of buying and selling things. The less state you have, the more capitalism you have. It's the only econ system that doesn't have to be enforced by a state and therefore the only econ system compatible with libertarianism.

[The Liberated Territories]

Actually, it isn't.



That is from Google. Your turn.

While this is an overly simplistic explanation of the ideology, it is still one classical liberals and neo-feudalists fail to fulfill. Libertarianism is, and always has been, an ideology tied to opposition of the authoritarianism of the state and capitalism. It is a radical left ideology promoting an egalitarian society that maximizes individual freedoms. It never has been and never will be compatible with capitalism.

The ideal "volunyaryist" society involves mass persecution and the strict merging of a vengeful and xenophobic state with violent religious fundamentalism?

Rofl. Okay, backing away slowly now.

[/quote]

Then, if libertarianism was a radical left ideology promoting an egalitarian society that maximizes individual freedoms, how come all the definitions of it online do not subscribe an economical theory or point to something similar to what Google says?

No definition stays the same. Village came from the word "villain," yet nobody uses it as an insult anymore, and there is no definition of village that is like that.

[Viritica]

Anarcho-capitalism doesn't work. In other news, water is wet.

[Liberaxia]

Libertarianism is, and always has been, an ideology tied to opposition of the authoritarianism of the state and capitalism. It is a radical left ideology promoting an egalitarian society that maximizes individual freedoms. It never has been and never will be compatible with capitalism.

Capitalism ("the free market") is the natural state the economy (system of trading) would be in if there were no government whatsoever. Nobody had to "invent" capitalism. A free society just tends toward it as the best way of buying and selling things. The less state you have, the more capitalism you have. It's the only econ system that doesn't have to be enforced by a state and therefore the only econ system compatible with libertarianism.

Oh my. Someone needs to read up on their history.

[The Liberated Territories]

Libertarianism is, and always has been, an ideology tied to opposition of the authoritarianism of the state and capitalism. It is a radical left ideology promoting an egalitarian society that maximizes individual freedoms. It never has been and never will be compatible with capitalism.

Capitalism ("the free market") is the natural state the economy (system of trading) would be in if there were no government whatsoever. Nobody had to "invent" capitalism. A free society just tends toward it as the best way of buying and selling things. The less state you have, the more capitalism you have. It's the only econ system that doesn't have to be enforced by a state and therefore the only econ system compatible with libertarianism.

This pretty much. However, I'd contend that basic property rights should be only enforced by the state. Stuff like copyright - naw.

[The Liberated Territories]

Anarcho-capitalism doesn't work. In other news, water is wet.

It sure worked well in Iceland.

[Viritica]

Anarcho-capitalism doesn't work. In other news, water is wet.

It sure worked well in Iceland.

When the fuck was it used in Iceland?