Is killing pigs for food the same as murdering children?

[Saruhan]

The study says the pigs have the potential, not the action ability. I mean a three year old Alexandre Dumas may have the same potential as a pig but no pig to my knowledge has become an author in piggish, let alone one of the best authors in piggish

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Nope. Pork, pigs are livestock. We eat them. It's not illegal to kill pigs. Pigs are not the same as human beings. They're not children.

[Sun Wukong]

Nope. Pork, pigs are livestock. We eat them. It's not illegal to kill pigs. Pigs are not the same as human beings. They're not children.

Also, children have very little meat on them.

Now teens...

[Arabic Spain]

Another reason to be good as a Muslim.

[Blazedtown]

Another reason to be good as a Muslim.

One less person to eat my bacon.

[Meryuma]

I'm a carnivore.

The cannibal kind.

*DUN DUN DUN*

I'm a vegetarian.

The Paint throwing hippie kind.

DUN DUN DUN DUN

You're a vegetarian.

The privileged neo-colonialist kind.

DUN DUN DUN

None of them. We all depend on each other, some of us are better at some things than others, but there's nothing fundamentally different about all the organisms on the planet, at least, within our separate kingdoms. We live, we die, life goes on.

Apex Predators: "Apex predators (also known as alpha, super, top or top-level predators) are predators with few to no predators of their own, residing at the top of their food chain." -Wikipedia

The fact that you do not want to acknowledge the definition of apex species/ predator does not mean that it is wrong.

Note that that says nothing about superiority. The lion is not scientifically determined to be the "best" species of the African savannah.

Another reason to be good as a Muslim.

I'm gay and I have OCD; I'd make a terrible Muslim. I love the architecture and calligraphy though.

[Kelinfort]

No. If we kill any other species with abandon and yet cry foul over those we eat, it is clear that opinion is not based in realism.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

You're a vegetarian.

The privileged neo-colonialist kind.

DUN DUN DUN

Well, you don't need to be that to be vegan.

At least not in Brazil. That shit one'd buy in natural foods stores almost doesn't exist here - I'm talking about those out of upper class zones -, and when we find it, it's too expensive for most of the population, anyway.

Sesame or coconut oil, 30 reais one bottle, 10 reais the mini versions... ugh. No, nobody should waste even more than 30 reais in what I believe would give one 100g of tofu.

Even amaranth that can be grown in our gardens is still kind of unreasonable.

There are plenty of wild vegetables that can be grown about everywhere. It just takes plenty of work for the places adequate to them be set up.

[Cata Larga]

No.

Next question.

[Paddy O Fernature]

How is this even a topic worthy of 16 pages worth of comments?

The answer is obviously no.

[Blazedtown]

How is this even a topic worthy of 16 pages worth of comments?

The answer is obviously no.

Because if there is one thing that NSG can agree on, its that bacon kicks ass.

[Arabic Spain]

Another reason to be good as a Muslim.

One less person to eat my bacon.

Thy welcome.

[Paddy O Fernature]

How is this even a topic worthy of 16 pages worth of comments?

The answer is obviously no.

Because if there is one thing that NSG can agree on, its that bacon kicks ass.

Obviously, the only purpose of a pig is to convert nasty vegetables into delicious bacon.

*Nods*

[Cata Larga]

How is this even a topic worthy of 16 pages worth of comments?

The answer is obviously no.

Because if there is one thing that NSG can agree on, its that bacon kicks ass.

Is it bad that I prefer cured ham?

[Blazedtown]

Because if there is one thing that NSG can agree on, its that bacon kicks ass.

Is it bad that I prefer cured ham?

Yes.

[Tahar Joblis]

Nope. Pork, pigs are livestock. We eat them. It's not illegal to kill pigs. Pigs are not the same as human beings. They're not children.

Also, children have very little meat on them.

Now teens...

Some children do have a fair bit of flesh on them. Why, we could also solve our problems with childhood obesity at the same time!

OK. More seriously speaking...

I do find it unsettling how intelligent pigs are (and that they're popular to eat anyway), but they seem to be willing to return the favor given a good enough opportunity. On the gripping hand, the factory farms that churn out pigs have serious public health and ecological issues resting up their sleeves. (Who pays for cleanup? Ultimately, the taxpayer.)

I do think we (the US, at least) should cut down sharply on the amount of meat we eat as a society. (And cut the subsidization of factory farming, which happen through subsidies of feed corn. Not to mention the negative external impact of factory farming that is borne as a social cost - see above re: hog lagoons.) Eating a lot of meat is not generally healthy, is not the most ecological choice, and is generally not a very efficient use of resources.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Is it bad that I prefer cured ham?

No, in fact you're more sophisticated to me.

[Meryuma]

Well, you don't need to be that to be vegan.

At least not in Brazil. That shit one'd buy in natural foods stores almost doesn't exist here - I'm talking about those out of upper class zones -, and when we find it, it's too expensive for most of the population, anyway.

Sesame or coconut oil, 30 reais one bottle, 10 reais the mini versions... ugh. No, nobody should waste even more than 30 reais in what I believe would give one 100g of tofu.

Even amaranth that can be grown in our gardens is still kind of unreasonable.

There are plenty of wild vegetables that can be grown about everywhere. It just takes plenty of work for the places adequate to them be set up.

That would be the non-privileged, non-colonialist type of vegetarian.

I do think we (the US, at least) should cut down sharply on the amount of meat we eat as a society. (And cut the subsidization of factory farming, which happen through subsidies of feed corn. Not to mention the negative external impact of factory farming that is borne as a social cost - see above re: hog lagoons.) Eating a lot of meat is not generally healthy, is not the most ecological choice, and is generally not a very efficient use of resources.

All industrial farming (whether of animals or crops) must end if we are to sustain ourselves as a species. Permaculture is the way of the future.

[Gopoli]

I don't care. Another vegeterian propaganda. I'm going to eat bacon and enjoy every bit of it.

[Calenhardon]

No, because a fruit is not the plant. An apple may grow on a tree, but when you pick the apple, the tree goes on, and nothing is killed, because the apple was never an individual organism.

Huh. I guess that works on the same logic that if you cut of someone's finger, they don't die. Still, things like carrots, celery, potatoes, and lettuce are the whole organism. So whatever kind of diet you have, you're still killing stuff to survive. (Unless you somehow survive on just fruit)

It already has happened. It's just a bit more expensive (that can be fixed though) and people think it's icky.

Really? Where can I buy some of this? I must taste the wonders of science.

http://bitelabs.org/

Both animal and human lab-grown meat!

[Olthar]

No.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well, in any rate, bioartifical organ matrices and stem cell technology is in its infancy.
So we certainly won't know if it is "as simple" (similar) as that to do the same for grown meat for many years.

I won't believe it until it happens.
But the main point that I was always making was whether it would be as good as meat cut from the animal. Which, I must admit, is my bigger of the two doubts, by a long way.

Uh, no. Considering that we've ALREADY produced in vitro meat and the fact that it wasn't as difficult as you're making it put to be, we do know that the process is no more complicated


The only potential issue would be the lack of fat. And I'm aware that's a deal breaker for many people.

No, we've produced a ludicrously expensive lump of ground mincemeat, shaped into burgers. What was done was hugely more simple than bioartifical organ matrices.

Infancy technology.

Multiple studies have shown that pigs preform better on intelligence tests and cognitive evaluations than most 3 year old children, indicating that they are just as sentient as 3 year old children of our own species. Mother pigs in factory farms are known to cry and howl for days after they are separated from their children, pacing around their pens and attempting to find their lost children. what does NS think, is the meat industry genocide?

"Pigs have the cognitive ability to be quite sophisticated. Even more so than dogs and certainly three-year olds.” — Professor Donald Broom, Oxford University

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/opinion/thinking-about-pigs-before-theyre-food.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/science/10angier.html

We kill Pigs for a logical reason, to sustain human life. Murdering 3 year old children is ineptly stupid as then the human race would die out.

Pigs are slaughtered for food, so no, it isnt the same.

They're not killed to sustain human life.
They're reared for food.

There's a difference, as societies who don't eat pork will tell you, as will vegetarians or vegans.
Killed for human survival would imply we could only eat pork, or that pork was vital. Again, as Abrahamic dietary laws, vegetarianism, and veganism disagree with nicely.

Pigs are animals killing swine is nowhere near the same as killing a child, if we start saying animals are our equals then soon enough some pervetred fucks are gonna say they should be allowed to marry animals.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

There's no reasoning with him.

How does humanity thrive on meat? I'm rather strong and healthy, and I've been a vegetarian since I was 4.

The proteins that we got from eating cooked meat and the fact that cooked meat is easier to chew than raw meat is what allowed our brains to develop the way there are. You sapience is the direct result eating meat, if meat is murder, then thought is a by product of a crime and you should forfeit your higher brain functions.

Source?
That actually sounds really interesting.

But is it though? Spiders exist.

Spiders are useful

Misunderstood Spider meme is the one picture of a spider I can look at on the internet.
Spiders creep me the shit out.

No denying their usefulness, the average house spider eats something incredible like 2000 insects a year.

No.

Human children are sacred. The comparison is inappropriate.

I personally don't worship kids.
Little shitbags.

Is it bad that I prefer cured ham?

Yes.

Never understood the internet's fascination with bacon.
Sausages are inherently superior.

[New Socialist South Africa]

Multiple studies have shown that pigs preform better on intelligence tests and cognitive evaluations than most 3 year old children, indicating that they are just as sentient as 3 year old children of our own species. Mother pigs in factory farms are known to cry and howl for days after they are separated from their children, pacing around their pens and attempting to find their lost children. what does NS think, is the meat industry genocide?

"Pigs have the cognitive ability to be quite sophisticated. Even more so than dogs and certainly three-year olds.” — Professor Donald Broom, Oxford University

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/opinion/thinking-about-pigs-before-theyre-food.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/science/10angier.html

Yes. Eating meat is morally indefensible, unless you argue for a purely hedonistic position, which I am strongly against.

[Imperializt Russia]

Multiple studies have shown that pigs preform better on intelligence tests and cognitive evaluations than most 3 year old children, indicating that they are just as sentient as 3 year old children of our own species. Mother pigs in factory farms are known to cry and howl for days after they are separated from their children, pacing around their pens and attempting to find their lost children. what does NS think, is the meat industry genocide?

"Pigs have the cognitive ability to be quite sophisticated. Even more so than dogs and certainly three-year olds.” — Professor Donald Broom, Oxford University

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/opinion/thinking-about-pigs-before-theyre-food.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/science/10angier.html

Yes. Eating meat is morally indefensible, unless you argue for a purely hedonistic position, which I am strongly against.

Nyoop.

[Ardoki]

I personally don't see the difference between killing an insect and killing a human. But I'm a bit different.