Is killing pigs for food the same as murdering children?

[Mavorpen]

No, pigs are a different species. Children are part of humanity's future and are the children of people.

Why does species matter? If a species of sentient extraterrestrials landed on earth, would you deny them basic rights?

This is a false equivalency. If they're intelligent enough to be able to manage such a feat, then they're clearly worthy of being considered persons.

[Regnum Dominae]

No, pigs are a different species. Children are part of humanity's future and are the children of people.

Why does species matter? If a species of sentient extraterrestrials landed on earth, would you deny them basic rights?

If they were only sentient, but not sapient? Yes.

If they were sapient as well as sentient? No.

But I don't think a species with only the intelligence of an animal could be capable of that feat. They would need the intelligence of humans, making this an entirely false equivalence.

[Geilinor]

Nothing is killed when we consume fruit. Or legumes.

But one is eating the fetuses of legumes and fruit. Essentially one is eating unborn children.

Fruit aren't sentient. I'm not agreeing with the OP, but your statement means nothing. An animal has fundamental differences.

[Gordonisia]

Children are human beings, pigs are not. It's as simple as that.

I'm not advocating cruelty towards animals, but killing a pig for food is totally ok.

[Rostogovia]

Why does species matter? If a species of sentient extraterrestrials landed on earth, would you deny them basic rights?

This is a false equivalency. If they're intelligent enough to be able to manage such a feat, then they're clearly worthy of being considered persons.

I guess that was a bit of a strawman.

[Greater-London]

Why does species matter? If a species of sentient extraterrestrials landed on earth, would you deny them basic rights?

Probably not. However you keep on saying sentient when you mean intelligent and whilst the two are connected you can be sentient and unintelligent. An Alien race that navigates itself to earth is almost certainly as or more intelligent than we are as such are probably deserving of "animal rights".

However If I had to choose between killing one of these Aliens or a Human I would choose the alien, In a heartbeat.

[The Serbian Empire]

Stop it. Seriously, just fucking stop it. This NEVER works. I know, I used to be like this when I first became a vegan.

I apologize if it seems like I'm trying to impose my dogma on you, I am simply expressing my opinion.

The sig says all I need to know. We aren't likely to ever be friends given both my dietary and economic beliefs, but I won't pushing such dogma against you.

[Geilinor]

Children are human beings, pigs are not. It's as simple as that.

I'm not advocating cruelty towards animals, but killing a pig for food is totally ok.

This^. Pigs aren't being killed for no reason, eating them is the express purpose.

[Meryuma]

I need protein, so yes I do.

I haven't eaten meat since I was four, and I'm at the pinnacle of health.

Good for you. Meanwhile, I have severe food allergies caused by chronic illness. I've been in remission for 4 years. Meat is one of the only food groups I have no allergies to, unlike starch, soy, most nuts, refined sugar, any grains, or fibrous vegetables.

What about the Inuit, who often require meat to survive?

The Canadian government should do a better job of providing for them.

In other words, they should be completely dependent on white people for survival and at risk of mass starvation if they ever lose contact with people who have to fly hundreds of miles north and back on oil-dependent vehicles, while Arctic temperatures continue to rise at an unprecedented rate and global oil production is in decline.

So they should lose their culture to "save the animals" that they responsibly hunt and consume?

If their culture demands the murder of sentient beings, than yes.

What about the millions of wild animals in the Amazon rainforest dying from deforestation at the behest of soy companies? What about the Andean peasants who can no longer afford to eat the quinoa crops that they themselves grew due to skyrocketing demand by white vegans in the first world?

[Regnum Dominae]

Children are human beings, pigs are not. It's as simple as that.

I'm not advocating cruelty towards animals, but killing a pig for food is totally ok.

And before anyone says "MEAT IS CRUELTY", there are ways to raise pigs that avoid cruelty, and there are non-cruel methods of slaughtering.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

Other species of animals also consume each other. We are not inherently better, we have simply evolved further.

I'm going to be nitpicky here for a second. No, humans have not "evolved further." Evolution does not have a set goal, thus stating that we have "evolved further," implying that we're closer to the pinnacle of evolutionary achievement, doesn't make any sense.

I was referring to our brain capacity. Of course, cheetahs are more adapt and further evolved to run than humans are. Evolution may not have a defined goal or course, but it favors specific traits in organisms. Humans simply are on the "intelligence" branch of evolution, making intelligence our primary advantage as compared to other species.

[The Serbian Empire]

But one is eating the fetuses of legumes and fruit. Essentially one is eating unborn children.

Fruit aren't sentient. I'm not agreeing with the OP, but your statement means nothing. An animal has fundamental differences.

The only difference is the parent plant feels no pain, but the seeds for more plants to grow reside within the fruit.

[Mavorpen]

Children are human beings, pigs are not. It's as simple as that.

I'm not advocating cruelty towards animals, but killing a pig for food is totally ok.

This^. Pigs aren't being killed for no reason, eating them is the express purpose.

So then, I have a question: if in vitro meat production becomes cheap enough to be accessible to everyone, would you be against animal farming?

[Mavorpen]

Fruit aren't sentient. I'm not agreeing with the OP, but your statement means nothing. An animal has fundamental differences.

The only difference is the parent plant feels no pain, but the seeds for more plants to grow reside within the fruit.

You do realize that's WHY many fruit exist, right? To be eaten... so that the seeds can be dispersed.

[Galloism]

This^. Pigs aren't being killed for no reason, eating them is the express purpose.

So then, I have a question: if in vitro meat production becomes cheap enough to be accessible to everyone, would you be against animal farming?

Is it just as tasty?

[Aeternabilis]

This^. Pigs aren't being killed for no reason, eating them is the express purpose.

So then, I have a question: if in vitro meat production becomes cheap enough to be accessible to everyone, would you be against animal farming?

I would be. Farmers could then focus on producing other things, like more vegetables to feed everyone.

[Rostogovia]

I haven't eaten meat since I was four, and I'm at the pinnacle of health.

Good for you. Meanwhile, I have severe food allergies caused by chronic illness. I've been in remission for 4 years. Meat is one of the only food groups I have no allergies to, unlike starch, soy, most nuts, refined sugar, any grains, or fibrous vegetables.

The Canadian government should do a better job of providing for them.

In other words, they should be completely dependent on white people for survival and at risk of mass starvation if they ever lose contact with people who have to fly hundreds of miles north and back on oil-dependent vehicles, while Arctic temperatures continue to rise at an unprecedented rate and global oil production is in decline.

If their culture demands the murder of sentient beings, than yes.

What about the millions of wild animals in the Amazon rainforest dying from deforestation at the behest of soy companies? What about the Andean peasants who can no longer afford to eat the quinoa crops that they themselves grew due to skyrocketing demand by white vegans in the first world?

Thats why the international community should be more willing to get involved in this sort of thing.

[Geilinor]

This^. Pigs aren't being killed for no reason, eating them is the express purpose.

So then, I have a question: if in vitro meat production becomes cheap enough to be accessible to everyone, would you be against animal farming?

I'd have to consider that, but I'd probably say no.

[Aeternabilis]

So then, I have a question: if in vitro meat production becomes cheap enough to be accessible to everyone, would you be against animal farming?

Is it just as tasty?

We'll have to find out when it starts being sold.

[Regnum Dominae]

Good for you. Meanwhile, I have severe food allergies caused by chronic illness. I've been in remission for 4 years. Meat is one of the only food groups I have no allergies to, unlike starch, soy, most nuts, refined sugar, any grains, or fibrous vegetables.



In other words, they should be completely dependent on white people for survival and at risk of mass starvation if they ever lose contact with people who have to fly hundreds of miles north and back on oil-dependent vehicles, while Arctic temperatures continue to rise at an unprecedented rate and global oil production is in decline.



What about the millions of wild animals in the Amazon rainforest dying from deforestation at the behest of soy companies? What about the Andean peasants who can no longer afford to eat the quinoa crops that they themselves grew due to skyrocketing demand by white vegans in the first world?

Thats why the inter nation community should be more willing to get involved in this sort of thing.

It's almost as if you didn't even read his post.

[Mavorpen]

So then, I have a question: if in vitro meat production becomes cheap enough to be accessible to everyone, would you be against animal farming?

Is it just as tasty?

I imagine there might be a slight difference if you're aware that it's not from a fully grown animal, but yes, I don't see why not.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

What about the millions of wild animals in the Amazon rainforest dying from deforestation at the behest of soy companies? What about the Andean peasants who can no longer afford to eat the quinoa crops that they themselves grew due to skyrocketing demand by white vegans in the first world?

Unfortunate side effects *nods*.

[Imperializt Russia]

This^. Pigs aren't being killed for no reason, eating them is the express purpose.

So then, I have a question: if in vitro meat production becomes cheap enough to be accessible to everyone, would you be against animal farming?

No.

"Real" meat "from an animal" will then become a high-quality, sought-after item.
Try growing a porterhouse ribeye.

[Mavorpen]

So then, I have a question: if in vitro meat production becomes cheap enough to be accessible to everyone, would you be against animal farming?

I'd have to consider that, but I'd probably say no.

Why not?

[Britannia I]

....no