Is killing pigs for food the same as murdering children?

[MERIZoC]

Well, I'm a vegetarian, and I hope that someday soon, we can stop eating meat, or replace it with the lab-grown meat, but I don't think this is really all that comparable, for reasons already mentioned.

If they could grow meat in labs and have it be just as good for you and taste as good, I would stop eating normal animals. Won't happen for a while though, sadly.

It already has happened. It's just a bit more expensive (that can be fixed though) and people think it's icky.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

Multiple studies have shown that pigs preform better on intelligence tests and cognitive evaluations than most 3 year old children, indicating that they are just as sentient as 3 year old children of our own species. Mother pigs in factory farms are known to cry and howl for days after they are separated from their children, pacing around their pens and attempting to find their lost children. what does NS think, is the meat industry genocide?

"Pigs have the cognitive ability to be quite sophisticated. Even more so than dogs and certainly three-year olds.” — Professor Donald Broom, Oxford University

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/opinion/thinking-about-pigs-before-theyre-food.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/science/10angier.html

Pigs are meaty and taste good. Kids aren't.

[MERIZoC]

Nothing is killed when we consume fruit. Or legumes.

...Do fruit or legumes not count as living things? Actual question here, not sarcasm.

No, because a fruit is not the plant. An apple may grow on a tree, but when you pick the apple, the tree goes on, and nothing is killed, because the apple was never an individual organism.

[Keventle]

If they could grow meat in labs and have it be just as good for you and taste as good, I would stop eating normal animals. Won't happen for a while though, sadly.

It already has happened. It's just a bit more expensive (that can be fixed though) and people think it's icky.

I'm still going to eat my bacon. Although the grown meat is a nice way to lower food prices in the future.

[Canadian-Japan]

Killing pigs gives you bacon. Killing children gives you jail time. Not the same.

[MERIZoC]

Multiple studies have shown that pigs preform better on intelligence tests and cognitive evaluations than most 3 year old children, indicating that they are just as sentient as 3 year old children of our own species. Mother pigs in factory farms are known to cry and howl for days after they are separated from their children, pacing around their pens and attempting to find their lost children. what does NS think, is the meat industry genocide?

"Pigs have the cognitive ability to be quite sophisticated. Even more so than dogs and certainly three-year olds.” — Professor Donald Broom, Oxford University

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/opinion/thinking-about-pigs-before-theyre-food.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/science/10angier.html

Pigs are meaty and taste good. Kids aren't.

Do you speak from experience?

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

My personal philosophy is that since humans are able to survive without taking lives, it's our obligation to do so.

What about the Inuit, who often require meat to survive?

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

Pigs are meaty and taste good. Kids aren't.

Do you speak from experience?

I don't know, those kids look pretty skinny in comparison...

[Mormak]

Don't care!

BACON!

[Kiruri]

I ate pig. I still eat pig. I will eat pig.
Pig pig pig

I've always thought piggies are cute (with their wiggly tails and wittle bitty eyes and round noses) But pigs be tasty. It's the way of life. I say, make pigs feel as kings and queens before they become bacon and pork chops

That reminds me....

*gets shopping list*

"Mmmm.... Bacon. Artery clogging, fatty fatty juicy unhealthy pig-strips..."

*jots down pig-strips on drooled, wet shopping list*

[The new united britsh empire]

Fortunately for me, I've not got to worry about these practices. *nods*

[Aeternabilis]

...Do fruit or legumes not count as living things? Actual question here, not sarcasm.

No, because a fruit is not the plant. An apple may grow on a tree, but when you pick the apple, the tree goes on, and nothing is killed, because the apple was never an individual organism.

Huh. I guess that works on the same logic that if you cut of someone's finger, they don't die. Still, things like carrots, celery, potatoes, and lettuce are the whole organism. So whatever kind of diet you have, you're still killing stuff to survive. (Unless you somehow survive on just fruit)

If they could grow meat in labs and have it be just as good for you and taste as good, I would stop eating normal animals. Won't happen for a while though, sadly.

It already has happened. It's just a bit more expensive (that can be fixed though) and people think it's icky.

Really? Where can I buy some of this? I must taste the wonders of science.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

Pigs are meaty and taste good. Kids aren't.

Do you speak from experience?

I don't know now... a lot of kids look like pigs.

[MERIZoC]

It already has happened. It's just a bit more expensive (that can be fixed though) and people think it's icky.

I'm still going to eat my bacon. Although the grown meat is a nice way to lower food prices in the future.

Why? Why would you eat something that has caused the suffering of another animal if there was an alternative that was exactly the same, but without anything dying for it?

[The New Lowlands]

I'm still going to eat my bacon. Although the grown meat is a nice way to lower food prices in the future.

Why? Why would you eat something that has caused the suffering of another animal if there was an alternative that was exactly the same, but without anything dying for it?

Because that alternative isn't for sale yet?

[Tyriece]

*coughHUAMNSAREANIMALScough*

How is that relevant?

For everyone that thinks they have this "moral" difference of superiority over other life forums, and make up justifications to sleep well at night.
(Before you or anyone else go on the old "i dont like that so let me try to label him" I am a meat eater, good luck )

[MERIZoC]

No, because a fruit is not the plant. An apple may grow on a tree, but when you pick the apple, the tree goes on, and nothing is killed, because the apple was never an individual organism.

Huh. I guess that works on the same logic that if you cut of someone's finger, they don't die. Still, things like carrots, celery, potatoes, and lettuce are the whole organism. So whatever kind of diet you have, you're still killing stuff to survive. (Unless you somehow survive on just fruit)

Well, the Jains seem to manage.

It already has happened. It's just a bit more expensive (that can be fixed though) and people think it's icky.

Really? Where can I buy some of this? I must taste the wonders of science.

I don't think it's on the market yet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat

[Rostogovia]

My personal philosophy is that since humans are able to survive without taking lives, it's our obligation to do so.

It's not possible, though. Anything we eat was once a living thing, so to survive, we must kill things. That includes plants and animals, and microorganisms.

plants and microorganisms are not sentient, pigs are.

[Justin States]

No. I doubt children taste as good.

Exactly what he said

[Rostogovia]

No, because pigs don't have a little thingy called human rights. They have the right to feel as little pain as humanly inflictable.

That sounds eerily similar to racism.

[Kiruri]

Do you speak from experience?

I don't know now... a lot of kids look like pigs.

xD That they do...

[MERIZoC]

Why? Why would you eat something that has caused the suffering of another animal if there was an alternative that was exactly the same, but without anything dying for it?

Because that alternative isn't for sale yet?

He said he wouldn't take it even if it was available.

[Cupola]

No, because pigs don't have a little thingy called human rights. They have the right to feel as little pain as humanly inflictable.

That sounds eerily similar to racism.

Except for pigs being an entirely different species that is never in its lifetime capable of becoming sapient. So no, not comparable at all.

[Aeternabilis]

Huh. I guess that works on the same logic that if you cut of someone's finger, they don't die. Still, things like carrots, celery, potatoes, and lettuce are the whole organism. So whatever kind of diet you have, you're still killing stuff to survive. (Unless you somehow survive on just fruit)

Well, the Jains seem to manage.

Really? Where can I buy some of this? I must taste the wonders of science.

I don't think it's on the market yet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat

Shoot. Somebody tell me when they start selling it. Until then, normal animals for me.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

I'm still going to eat my bacon. Although the grown meat is a nice way to lower food prices in the future.

Why? Why would you eat something that has caused the suffering of another animal if there was an alternative that was exactly the same, but without anything dying for it?

When you're at the store buying a cut of meat, you are not buying that meat, you are buying the suffering that goes into that piece of meat. From the painful toil of the farmer who supplies feed, to the labor of the workers who cut up that animal, you are buying their suffering, and consuming that delicious piece of flesh that you know dozens of people worked their rears to get to that store, with you doing relatively little in comparison.

But no, I'd buy some of that meat out of sheer intrigue.