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Postby Socialist Czechia » Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:40 pm

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Socialist Czechia wrote:omg, can't orient in so much text...what goin' on there?

Something that's more likely to give you cancer than bathing in nuclear waste contaminated lake on Mars.


I'll stand with short version of my main opinions then.

1) Israel exists and will exist, everyone should deal with it at last. They have nuclear weapons. They want to stay. Nuff said.

2) Both Palestinians and Jews acting towards themselves like a total dicks, both sides must relax first before anything can be achievable.

3) I won't support Palestinian claims, though, just because it's fashion to do it, especially amongst left-wingers like me.

4) I would prefer Judaism before Islam or even before any kind Christianity being around me all the time, and I am saying this as hardcore oldschool communist with leninist opinions about religion. Despite looking so rigid, it's actually surprisingly peaceful belief.

5) That doesn't mean, though, that I agree with victimization inside and outside Jewish community, like whole world still owes something to jewry. Jews, what are still touchy feely about anything 'insulting'. There were genocides, even worse ones, through whole humanity's history. 10 million died by Belgian hands, 7 million died during Great Depression just in United States alone, and who invented modern concentration camps to exterminate populations? British Empire.
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Postby Cymrea » Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:47 pm

Yep. A shitstorm. Self-fulfilling, but a shitstorm, nonetheless.
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Postby Alaizia » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:06 pm

Evraim wrote:Again with the false characterizations of my points. I'm saying that we haven't treated Israel equally. We've constructed a double standard, one which punishes one group in a conflict while often ignoring the crimes of the other. This is most apparent at the level of the United Nations, where reports detailing atrocities committed by both sides are disregarded in favor of sticking it to the Zionist pig dog oppressors. That's not an accurate depiction of the events.


But they are oppressors. They came and stole foreign land.

Evraim wrote:I've condemned all of Israel's crimes from the beginning. I just didn't consider some of the things you cited crimes under the legal definitions. I also believe that Israel has been treated unfairly and with an obvious bias by the international community as a whole because the conflict is more of a political issue to many than an ethical one.


Could you site some facts I said about Israel that arent't war-crimes?
What political issue? Jews have inserted in every government of Western world. They don't mind their own business, but they interfere in the business of others.

Evraim wrote:The crime was the ethnic cleansing that occurred on both sides more than sixty years ago. Israel has no obligation to respect the claims that the right to return are applicable until those claims have been validated in court. As a matter of course, the assertion that Palestinians have a right to return to Israel are tenuous at best, and outright laughable at worst. Look up the right of return as it relates to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It's not a simple issue.


I didn't see any "cleansing" from the Palestinian's part. And if they ever made some atrocities they were in defence and were provoked from the beginning. Face the facts.
Again: keep trying to solve things "tenuously" while innocents are killed. Mediocrity, as I said before, shouldn't be applied in all situations.

Evraim wrote:Again, you misunderstand. Look at what I typed again, and ponder it for a while. I do not support the killing of civilians. I have no problem with the elimination of armed combatants. Unfortunately, those armed combatants hide behind women and children in many cases, making civilian casualties inevitable if the Israelis decide to take action.


Oh really? Poor Israeli soldiers....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaibEqx2m_k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krlnS6hcxTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3DIrXd33SI#

You need more proof? As I said, you are clearly in denial.

Evraim wrote:So, we shouldn't prosecute Palestinian and Israeli crimes equally? Why not?


Because Jews were the provokers and because their crimes far-outnumber Palestinian "crimes". And because you still haven't posted any.

Evraim wrote:That's a puerile response, so I suppose I'll drop the point.


Instead of showing us your awesome vocabulary and constant ignorance, why don't you actually post something that makes sence and focus on the real matters and facts?

Evraim wrote:That's strange. As far as I remember, the Arabs invaded Israel first. By your logic, all crimes committed by Israel should be treated as legitimate responses to unlawful aggression, right? Or we could just agree that crimes are crimes regardless of who commits them?


That's bs again. Jews took the Palestinians' lands around 1948 because of some "biblical" promise? Arabs were always the majority there. White Jews, "Akenazhi", came from Khazaria. In case you wonder, Khazaria was a land west of Caucasus. Palestinians shouldn'y pay the, part justified part not, neglect of Europe to the various groups of Jews.

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Postby Evraim » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:09 pm


What's your argument?

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Postby Myrensis » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:10 pm

Albul wrote:
Germagna wrote:Please end this conversation about all of the ancient civilizations.

Israel is an ancient civilization.


No, Israel is a 50 year old nation using the name of an ancient civilization to justify land grabbing and oppression.

It would be like Italy renaming itself the Republic of Rome tomorrow, and declaring that it therefore has an absolute right to claim all former territories of the Empire by any means necessary, and those squatters currently occupying the land be damned.

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Postby Alaizia » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:13 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Albul wrote:Israel is an ancient civilization.


No, Israel is a 50 year old nation using the name of an ancient civilization to justify land grabbing and oppression.

It would be like Italy renaming itself the Republic of Rome tomorrow, and declaring that it therefore has an absolute right to claim all former territories of the Empire by any means necessary, and those squatters currently occupying the land be damned.


Exactly that. Especially if you were always the minority in the countries-lands you claim.

That's just absurd.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:18 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Albul wrote:Israel is an ancient civilization.


No, Israel is a 50 year old nation using the name of an ancient civilization to justify land grabbing and oppression.

It would be like Italy renaming itself the Republic of Rome tomorrow, and declaring that it therefore has an absolute right to claim all former territories of the Empire by any means necessary, and those squatters currently occupying the land be damned.


Mussolini tried it. Didn't work. But could.

Israel is there, and will be there. Deal with it. When any state today has a nuclear weapons, you can't do anything against it.

Do you think UN would send armies against Saddam if he indeed conquered Iran and Saudi Arabia while having nuclear arsenal?

Nope.
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Postby Myrensis » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:19 pm

Alaizia wrote:
Myrensis wrote:
No, Israel is a 50 year old nation using the name of an ancient civilization to justify land grabbing and oppression.

It would be like Italy renaming itself the Republic of Rome tomorrow, and declaring that it therefore has an absolute right to claim all former territories of the Empire by any means necessary, and those squatters currently occupying the land be damned.


Exactly that. Especially if you were always the minority in the countries-lands you claim.

That's just absurd.


Yes, because, "Sorry man, but sometime in the last two to four thousand years someone who was probably distantly related to me probably lived somewhere in this general geographical area, therefore you and your family need to gtfo off my land before I remove you by force." is the height of reason.

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Postby Alaizia » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:23 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:Mussolini tried it. Didn't work. But could.

Israel is there, and will be there. Deal with it. When any state today has a nuclear weapons, you can't do anything against it.

Do you think UN would send armies against Saddam if he indeed conquered Iran and Saudi Arabia while having nuclear arsenal?

Nope.


While you make sense, your view is a passive and pessimistic.

The majority of kids in Africa will remain starved and dehydrated. It's too difficult to feed them all. We can't do anything about it. Right?
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:25 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Alaizia wrote:
Exactly that. Especially if you were always the minority in the countries-lands you claim.

That's just absurd.


Yes, because, "Sorry man, but sometime in the last two to four thousand years someone who was probably distantly related to me probably lived somewhere in this general geographical area, therefore you and your family need to gtfo off my land before I remove you by force." is the height of reason.


Jews after holocaust needed own fatherland, world didn't cared about them before so everyone felt necessary to clean themselves from guilt and old Israeli realm was most logical choice, and world didn't give a sh*t about some Arabs, still revolting and being pain in the ass anyway (Franco-British opinion).
They could settle them elsewhere but why to bother further? Besides, if they were settled in some place in Asia or Africa, some african or asian nation would hate them as well.
It's not like there would be a choice.

So, Israel is there, exists, that won't change. Arabs must tolerate them there, they all must tolerate them being there as much as the world. It's simple as that.
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta

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Postby Socialist Czechia » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:29 pm

Alaizia wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:Mussolini tried it. Didn't work. But could.

Israel is there, and will be there. Deal with it. When any state today has a nuclear weapons, you can't do anything against it.

Do you think UN would send armies against Saddam if he indeed conquered Iran and Saudi Arabia while having nuclear arsenal?

Nope.


While you make sense, your view is a passive and pessimistic.

The majority of kids in Africa will remain starved and dehydrated. It's too difficult to feed them all. We can't do anything about it. Right?


We can actually send them agricultural stuff to let them grow own food, completely destroy rainforests for farming, let them go through their own Industrial Age, pollute environment and let economy grow, but Green eco-fascists would gone mad, so it won't happen.

Besides, world powers, European, American and Asian ones combined, doesn't want allow creation of some African power. Undeveloped, by everyone exploited continent full of starving people is better.
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Postby Scholmeria » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:32 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:Being anti-Israeli isn't antisemitic, Zionists need to get over that, and quit pretending that Israel hasn't committed numerous war-crimes.

Source for the war crimes.

Israel is the nation state of the Jews. It is hard to diferate the two.
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Postby Lingang » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:36 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:
Myrensis wrote:
Yes, because, "Sorry man, but sometime in the last two to four thousand years someone who was probably distantly related to me probably lived somewhere in this general geographical area, therefore you and your family need to gtfo off my land before I remove you by force." is the height of reason.


Jews after holocaust needed own fatherland, world didn't cared about them before so everyone felt necessary to clean themselves from guilt and old Israeli realm was most logical choice, and world didn't give a sh*t about some Arabs, still revolting and being pain in the ass anyway (Franco-British opinion).
They could settle them elsewhere but why to bother further? Besides, if they were settled in some place in Asia or Africa, some african or asian nation would hate them as well.
It's not like there would be a choice.

So, Israel is there, exists, that won't change. Arabs must tolerate them there, they all must tolerate them being there as much as the world. It's simple as that.

Why couldn't they stay in Europe?
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Postby Myrensis » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:38 pm

Scholmeria wrote:Israel is the nation state of the Jews. It is hard to diferate the two.


Only in the minds of Israel and it's apologists. And only when it comes to Israel, because this doesn't happen with..any other country on the planet. Criticize North Korea? Not a whole lot of wailing about "Oh my God! You obviously just hate Koreans and want to see them all exterminated!" Criticize something an African nation does? Don't see a lot of , "You clearly just consider black people to be subhuman and want to see them all enslaved again!".

Only with Israel does it become, "You criticized the actions of the government of a nation that happens to have a largely ethnically homogenous population? WHY DO YOU WORSHIP HITLER YOU JEW HATING NAZI LOVER!!" :roll:

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Postby Socialist Czechia » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:47 pm

Lingang wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:
Jews after holocaust needed own fatherland, world didn't cared about them before so everyone felt necessary to clean themselves from guilt and old Israeli realm was most logical choice, and world didn't give a sh*t about some Arabs, still revolting and being pain in the ass anyway (Franco-British opinion).
They could settle them elsewhere but why to bother further? Besides, if they were settled in some place in Asia or Africa, some african or asian nation would hate them as well.
It's not like there would be a choice.

So, Israel is there, exists, that won't change. Arabs must tolerate them there, they all must tolerate them being there as much as the world. It's simple as that.

Why couldn't they stay in Europe?


Romans. Church's Inquisitors. Pogroms. Nazi regime.

Last two thousand years in Europe and elsewhere simply sucked.

Better to settle where they want, go there, take it, and let world deal with it.

So deal with it.

Since they have hundreds of nuclear warheads, it's not like you or anyone else has other option :lol:
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Postby Evraim » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:48 pm

Alaizia wrote:But they are oppressors. They came and stole foreign land.

They didn't steal land. Amusingly enough, nobody has even specified what stealing land means in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Legally speaking, Israel has a right to exist within its internationally accepted boundaries. This contradicts arguments relating to the theft of Palestinian land during the War of Independence.

Alaizia wrote:Could you site some facts I said about Israel that arent't war-crimes?
What political issue? Jews have inserted in every government of Western world. They don't mind their own business, but they interfere in the business of others.

You implied that checking people for weapons was a war crime. You stated that contesting the Palestinian right of return was a war crime. You also implied that bombing armed targets in Gaza was a war crime. None of those are illegitimate responses to aggression. They were all legal under international law last time I checked.

Your remarks about Jews inserting themselves into every western government are somewhat ignorant, at least in so far as you suggest that this is a trait unique to Jews. All governments attempt to influence other governments to implement policies that favor them. The Palestinians employ the same behavior, and have attained some notable successes. Lastly, this assertion reeks of Antisemitism and intellectual dishonesty.

Alaizia wrote:I didn't see any "cleansing" from the Palestinian's part. And if they ever made some atrocities they were in defence and were provoked from the beginning. Face the facts.

I've linked to two sources. You might also want to watch a few documentaries on the 1948 conflict, since the Palestinian leadership was advocating ethnic cleansing throughout that episode. As the second source demonstrates, there were numerous attempts to ethnically cleanse the other ethnic group by both sides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine

I can post remarks from a number of Arab leaders, and the platforms of various Palestinian political organizations to elucidate the point further if you would like. There have always been members of the Palestinian political community who supported the ethnic cleansing of the Jews. Israel's victory in the numerous wars between the two sides has prevented their enemies from acting on these platforms.

Operating under your logic, one could assert that the Arabs who began these hostilities in the modern period, and who originally employed persecution to change the dominant culture of the territories they call Palestine are fair game. Of course, your logic contradicts my ethical paradigm, and those of most people in the West. It makes no sense to pardon crimes committed today because of crimes that were committed by somebody else yesterday.

Alaizia wrote:Again: keep trying to solve things "tenuously" while innocents are killed. Mediocrity, as I said before, shouldn't be applied in all situations.

I'm talking about the right of return, not innocents being killed. Don't change the subject to make an emotional appeal when it doesn't make sense to do so.

Alaizia wrote:Oh really? Poor Israeli soldiers....

Irrelevant. None of your videos address the point of my post, namely that it is difficult to fight a war without massive civilian casualties when the enemy is using women and children as shields and/or propaganda pieces.

Alaizia wrote:You need more proof? As I said, you are clearly in denial.

How so?

Alaizia wrote:Because Jews were the provokers and because their crimes far-outnumber Palestinian "crimes". And because you still haven't posted any.

I've posted about the Palestinians using human shields, and about them targeting civilians indiscriminately with rocket, bombing, and terror attacks. Not to mention ethnic cleansing, and advocating genocide as an official policy in the case of Hamas. These are all war crimes or crimes against humanity. Let's not forget the use of torture by some groups.

Also, if you continue to make this argument, I think I'll respond in the same fashion. Israel can now commit genocide and excuse it by saying that the Palestinians started it. Because kindergarten logic is beautiful.

Alaizia wrote:Instead of showing us your awesome vocabulary and constant ignorance, why don't you actually post something that makes sence and focus on the real matters and facts?

I've been focusing on actual facts. I've actually employed sources and explanation in concert to demonstrate the holes in your logic. You respond by mocking my posts, and bellowing about how the Zionist pig dog oppressors are worse and how they are responsible for the whole mess. You haven't even attempted to refute my remarks about double standards.

Alaizia wrote:That's bs again. Jews took the Palestinians' lands around 1948 because of some "biblical" promise?

Zionism was a secular ideology at the time. G-d had nothing to do with it, and many Israelis believe that to this day.

Also, the Jews acquired the territories they inhabited after the conflict through legal means. The Palestinians had no established state prior to that point, and never had possessed such a state. Nor can one argue consistently that they possessed a stronger, intrinsic claim to the land without resorting to European style soil and blood arguments, which have no true relevance within the cultural framework that dominated at the time. In short, Israel and Palestine are given legitimacy by the exact same laws and principles. Denying one necessarily denies the other.

Alaizia wrote:Arabs were always the majority there.

Um... no, no they weren't. Prior to Muhammad's conquests, the majority of the population consisted of Jews, Greeks, and Aramaic peoples. These groups were assimilated, in part due to the systematic persecution of non-Muslims by the Caliphate. At the time of Israel's independence, Jews also comprised a significant majority in the areas they would come to inhabit.

Alaizia wrote:White Jews, "Akenazhi", came from Khazaria.

The Khazar hypothesis has been debunked. Citing it demonstrates a lack of credibility.

Alaizia wrote:In case you wonder, Khazaria was a land west of Caucasus.

I know that. It still doesn't support the ignorant remark you made.

Alaizia wrote:Palestinians shouldn'y pay the, part justified part not, neglect of Europe to the various groups of Jews.

They should be willing to part with territories where a significant minority which they have persecuted in the past resides, though. Also, are you suggesting that the European states were justified in persecuting the Jews?

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Postby Evraim » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:58 pm

Myrensis wrote:Yes, because, "Sorry man, but sometime in the last two to four thousand years someone who was probably distantly related to me probably lived somewhere in this general geographical area, therefore you and your family need to gtfo off my land before I remove you by force." is the height of reason.

That wasn't the argument that was made, and you really should understand that at this point. It would be more like this. "We have suffered persecution throughout Europe, the Middle East, and Africa for no other reason than that we were a convenient scapegoat. Our ancestors lived on this land, and we have maintained intimate cultural ties to these lands as part of our identity since then. We have also had small populations living here since before your people came here. We've purchased homes on the coast through legal means, and we want a state too. We'll share it with you."

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Postby Lingang » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:01 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:
Lingang wrote:Why couldn't they stay in Europe?


Romans. Church's Inquisitors. Pogroms. Nazi regime.

Last two thousand years in Europe and elsewhere simply sucked.

Better to settle where they want, go there, take it, and let world deal with it.

So deal with it.

Since they have hundreds of nuclear warheads, it's not like you or anyone else has other option :lol:

Really? Just because their former oppressors lived there, that means they have the right to go and remove other peoples from their homes? And what gives them the right to "settle where they want, go there, take it, and let world deal with it"? I bet if another ethnic group were involved, people would be raising hell...
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Postby Principality of Sonaco » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:01 pm

I am Jewish. Back a while ago I did a thread about this. Since that time I have grown inactive, work, family etc. But I logged back in today and saw this thread so I decided to reply.

I agree that Anti-Tzionism /=/ Antisemitism. I am actually Anti-Tzionist. The Yishraeli government is an abomination. I made my first trip to Tzion last year to stay in a Kibbutzim, the only time I left the Kibbutz once in my six-month stay. I went to Judea, yihrad Adonai (YHWH), I am glad I did not stay for more than a day. I was horrified by what Tzionist leaders of Yishrael have done to the poor Palestinians. Granted, I would love to live in Eretz Yishrael for the rest of my life. It is my home, granted to us by YHWH. But not like this, I want to live together with my Palestinian brothers, not fight tooth and claw.

I am an Icelandic Jew, born in Be'ersheba, Yishrael. I am just a bit younger than Yishrael itself.

Here is where I stand on Palestine.

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Postby Evraim » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:04 pm

Lingang wrote:Why couldn't they stay in Europe?

Because their cultural ties to Europe were weaker than their cultural ties to Israel, a place they had called their homeland for millennia. Antisemitism was still a major problem as well, and forming a nation-state amid other nation-states would prove problematic. Why not give them a small piece of territory which no actual state claims and where their population has been growing steadily for about one hundred years or so? As an added bonus, they have cultural ties to the land.

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Postby Cupola » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:06 pm

Principality of Sonaco wrote:I am Jewish. Back a while ago I did a thread about this. Since that time I have grown inactive, work, family etc. But I logged back in today and saw this thread so I decided to reply.

I agree that Anti-Tzionism /=/ Antisemitism. I am actually Anti-Tzionist. The Yishraeli government is an abomination. I made my first trip to Tzion last year to stay in a Kibbutzim, the only time I left the Kibbutz once in my six-month stay. I went to Judea, yihrad Adonai (YHWH), I am glad I did not stay for more than a day. I was horrified by what Tzionist leaders of Yishrael have done to the poor Palestinians. Granted, I would love to live in Eretz Yishrael for the rest of my life. It is my home, granted to us by YHWH. But not like this, I want to live together with my Palestinian brothers, not fight tooth and claw.

The State of Israel needs more people like you.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Principality of Sonaco » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:08 pm

Cupola wrote:
Principality of Sonaco wrote:I am Jewish. Back a while ago I did a thread about this. Since that time I have grown inactive, work, family etc. But I logged back in today and saw this thread so I decided to reply.

I agree that Anti-Tzionism /=/ Antisemitism. I am actually Anti-Tzionist. The Yishraeli government is an abomination. I made my first trip to Tzion last year to stay in a Kibbutzim, the only time I left the Kibbutz once in my six-month stay. I went to Judea, yihrad Adonai (YHWH), I am glad I did not stay for more than a day. I was horrified by what Tzionist leaders of Yishrael have done to the poor Palestinians. Granted, I would love to live in Eretz Yishrael for the rest of my life. It is my home, granted to us by YHWH. But not like this, I want to live together with my Palestinian brothers, not fight tooth and claw.

The State of Israel needs more people like you.

Thank you. Be a mensch.

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Here is where I stand on Palestine.

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Postby Lingang » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:09 pm

Evraim wrote:
Myrensis wrote:Yes, because, "Sorry man, but sometime in the last two to four thousand years someone who was probably distantly related to me probably lived somewhere in this general geographical area, therefore you and your family need to gtfo off my land before I remove you by force." is the height of reason.

That wasn't the argument that was made, and you really should understand that at this point. It would be more like this. "We have suffered persecution throughout Europe, the Middle East, and Africa for no other reason than that we were a convenient scapegoat. Our ancestors lived on this land, and we have maintained intimate cultural ties to these lands as part of our identity since then. We have also had small populations living here since before your people came here. We've purchased homes on the coast through legal means, and we want a state too. We'll share it with you."

Yep, because this is sharing
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Postby Scholmeria » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:09 pm

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Scholmeria wrote:Israel is the nation state of the Jews. It is hard to diferate the two.


Only in the minds of Israel and it's apologists. And only when it comes to Israel, because this doesn't happen with..any other country on the planet. Criticize North Korea? Not a whole lot of wailing about "Oh my God! You obviously just hate Koreans and want to see them all exterminated!" Criticize something an African nation does? Don't see a lot of , "You clearly just consider black people to be subhuman and want to see them all enslaved again!".

Only with Israel does it become, "You criticized the actions of the government of a nation that happens to have a largely ethnically homogenous population? WHY DO YOU WORSHIP HITLER YOU JEW HATING NAZI LOVER!!" :roll:

Well to be fair Israel is having a more negative image than in reality has.
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