Why does everyone hate the Jews?

[Gallia-]

what the fuck it's released by the IDF from a helicopter

yeah they set up rockets and shot them into their own country the bastards

bush did 911

meanwhile you just ignore the hrw link i posted about illegally targeting civilians who gives a fuck if theyre using human shields that's missing the elephant in the room

gj lad youre 10/10 so far a+++



fucking jews

clearly israel is responsible for forcing palestine to use human shields because of their helicopters nad tanks they probably jsut shot little kids and threw them on palestinian bombers for laffs

IDF serves Israel, and would release or keep any digital information only if it benefits them. It's like saying the American military would purposely realise photos or videos of the "collateral damage" caused upon Iraq after the Bagdad bombings. No military release information that would degrade their public image.

Also, please brush up your writing skills and grammar, as well as the profanity. Swearing does not make your weak argument any stronger.

IDF is a military instituion and inherently is subordinate to the civilian institution of the israeli government therefore it would be in its worse interests to concoct a conspiracy that the brave plaeistnian freedom fighters are not using human shields by shooting rockets from schoolyards

the fact that youre actually stating that israel not only falsifies human shield use by palestinian insurgents (a well documented fact) but also has the balls to do it repeatedly just shows that you have no grasp of reality at this point i suggest you read up on the arab-israeli wars from 1948 to now or so

that would be very helpful for you, since you apparently have such a limited grasp of the situation that you actually assume what i proposed (facetiously, mind) is not only plausible but actually happening

no i wont because this is the internet who gives a fuck about grammar when im right and youre not

[Evraim]

So we shouldn't accuse Israel because others have done the same thing worse.
Please stop.

Again with the false characterizations of my points. I'm saying that we haven't treated Israel equally. We've constructed a double standard, one which punishes one group in a conflict while often ignoring the crimes of the other. This is most apparent at the level of the United Nations, where reports detailing atrocities committed by both sides are disregarded in favor of sticking it to the Zionist pig dog oppressors. That's not an accurate depiction of the events.

Yeah Apartheid......
Good. You recognise and condemn it. We have reached an agreement at last.

I've condemned all of Israel's crimes from the beginning. I just didn't consider some of the things you cited crimes under the legal definitions. I also believe that Israel has been treated unfairly and with an obvious bias by the international community as a whole because the conflict is more of a political issue to many than an ethical one.

It is a crime because they were kicked out of their territory. International Law my ass. And you say "may". That means you are not sure. Come back and talk me about it when you are "sure".

The crime was the ethnic cleansing that occurred on both sides more than sixty years ago. Israel has no obligation to respect the claims that the right to return are applicable until those claims have been validated in court. As a matter of course, the assertion that Palestinians have a right to return to Israel are tenuous at best, and outright laughable at worst. Look up the right of return as it relates to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It's not a simple issue.

That's the problem. That's what I mean. No emotion.
You....suggest that the killing of civillians and children shouldn't be considered a war-crime.
Thank you for helping me clear things up to anyone who doesn't get this.
Keep "analyzing" when unarmed civillians suffer and die.

Again, you misunderstand. Look at what I typed again, and ponder it for a while. I do not support the killing of civilians. I have no problem with the elimination of armed combatants. Unfortunately, those armed combatants hide behind women and children in many cases, making civilian casualties inevitable if the Israelis decide to take action.

I meant any pro-Israel human. Don't put words on my mouth.

So, we shouldn't prosecute Palestinian and Israeli crimes equally? Why not?

Indeed. It mocks it.

That's a puerile response, so I suppose I'll drop the point.

Which is wrong because The "State" of Israel was th instigator. There is no double standard if you started the issue.

That's strange. As far as I remember, the Arabs invaded Israel first. By your logic, all crimes committed by Israel should be treated as legitimate responses to unlawful aggression, right? Or we could just agree that crimes are crimes regardless of who commits them?

More invalid points?

Plenty.

[Alyakia]

That doesn't explain how the State of Palestine is culpable for the actions of terrorists.

maybe because the state of palestine is terrorists

o:

it's an illegitimate organisation set up to perpetuate an artificially created insurgency against a superior state

it's winning only because everyone is tired of its childishness

this isnt some huge victory (or for that matter, defeat) for the west, it's just a collective sign that they couldnt pull their heads out of their arses long enough to come to a decent, reasonable conclusion with israel and instead they have to resort to violence to solve their problem

typical religious nutjobs

Putin has the highest approval ratings... To date:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wor ... 0-percent/

He is hardly weak. British MPs and many across the world admire him for diplomatically whitewashing the west in Ukraine. He is brilliant not tactician, a leader America has not had since JFK.

Whatever planet you live on, Russia is a key player, even in the Middle East. For example, Syria could never be dealt with without Russian inclusion in any plans.

yeah so did brezhnev was the economic stagnation of the ussr a good thing?

russians are just too ignorant and brainwashed by all the vodka it kills their grey matter and results in them voting ofr ridiculously absurd dictators (or in brezhnev's case, not voting at all because of internal political coup)

or maybe it has something to do with living under three hundred years of brutal dictatorship that has warped the russian colelctive psyche to be apathetic or even supportive of brutal totalitarian measures that result in perpetual downward spirals of living standards

putin is weak, internally

he presents a massive facade of a strongman not unlike other third world dictators while supporting his regime with a propganda engine called Russia Today and spoonfeeding russia nonsense about western imperialism in ukraine

putin's only intelligent decision so far has been realising that since he has europe by the balls with oil and gas (at least for now) he can do whatever he wants with ukraine

this is correct

europe doesnt give a fuck it wont do anything and america is too preoccupied with the pacific

he's ignoring the future threat of the prc (why should he care? he'll be way out of office by then) and the russian economy is crumbling in the mean time because he can't reform it to be sustainable

so he expands outward to crimea and eastern ukraine hoping to secure the economically vital warm water port of sevastopol and the massive factories of east ukr to prop up the economy for a bit longer until he's out of power and cant be blamed

well, you see, half of palestine stopped firing rockets (this is the palestine that everyone recognizes as the sole representative of the palestinian people btw) and yet israeli still continues to build illegal settlements. all the deals israel have given have been pretty shit, actually, and all include surrendering territory that literally no one in the world conisders as israeli except for israel themselves.) if one didn't know any better, they might conclude that israel doesn't actually want peace as much as it says as it does while basking in the boost in support it gets everytime it invades a few months before the elections.

Israel bombs civilians and children. How fucking hard is that to understand?

Not genocide. Illegal, but for a different reason.

i am quite happy that you consider me that. i don't see any reason we can't both address it though. an cross-ideology double whammy.

I've done it to some extent, but the post is quite long. I grow weary of flinging myself at Zionists and Palestinian nationalists at different intervals. The discussion never actually changes. Not once in all the time I've been lurking on these forums. To be honest, Stormfront is more amusing than NS, but only because the stupidity in their remarks is less common than the stupidity which sometimes enters our own remarks. I might do a full take down later, if I don't decide to go out with friends.

yeah things are pretty static

[Cilestis]

IDF serves Israel, and would release or keep any digital information only if it benefits them. It's like saying the American military would purposely realise photos or videos of the "collateral damage" caused upon Iraq after the Bagdad bombings. No military release information that would degrade their public image.

Also, please brush up your writing skills and grammar, as well as the profanity. Swearing does not make your weak argument any stronger.

IDF is a military instituion and inherently is subordinate to the civilian institution of the israeli government therefore it would be in its worse interests to concoct a conspiracy that the brave plaeistnian freedom fighters are not using human shields by shooting rockets from schoolyards

the fact that youre actually stating that israel not only falsifies human shield use by palestinian insurgents (a well documented fact) but also has the balls to do it repeatedly just shows that you have no grasp of reality at this point i suggest you read up on the arab-israeli wars from 1948 to now or so

that would be very helpful for you, since you apparently have such a limited grasp of the situation that you actually assume what i proposed (facetiously, mind) is not only plausible but actually happening

no i wont because this is the internet who gives a fuck about grammar when im right and youre not

Okay I'm seriously considering you as borderline trolling now.

[Gallia-]

fucking jews

clearly israel is responsible for forcing palestine to use human shields because of their helicopters nad tanks they probably jsut shot little kids and threw them on palestinian bombers for laffs

1. I never denied that Palestinians have used civilians as human shields. It is a deplorable course of action and should be halted immediately.
2. Did you conveniently ignore the fact that the the Israeli Defense Ministry wants to continue using Palestinians as human shield? Even after the Israeli High Court of Justice banned such practices. It's in the same article.

The IDF admitted it had used Palestinians as human shields, a practice subsequently banned by Israel's High Court of Justice.[27] The Israeli Defense Ministry appealed this decision.[28]

1. i never said you did in that quoted post
2. The Israeli military has a very prosaic attitude towards international law, much like some Westerners would say that Taliban should not be given quarter due their failure to do the same to the Western troops

Clearly the civilian government disagrees, and it's good, because the former is in charge and can tell the IDF what to do whether it likes it or not. Isn't the West great?

IDF is a military instituion and inherently is subordinate to the civilian institution of the israeli government therefore it would be in its worse interests to concoct a conspiracy that the brave plaeistnian freedom fighters are not using human shields by shooting rockets from schoolyards

the fact that youre actually stating that israel not only falsifies human shield use by palestinian insurgents (a well documented fact) but also has the balls to do it repeatedly just shows that you have no grasp of reality at this point i suggest you read up on the arab-israeli wars from 1948 to now or so

that would be very helpful for you, since you apparently have such a limited grasp of the situation that you actually assume what i proposed (facetiously, mind) is not only plausible but actually happening

no i wont because this is the internet who gives a fuck about grammar when im right and youre not

Okay I'm seriously considering you as borderline trolling now.

Isn't there a rule for using the "T" word?

This isn't trolling, this is telling the facts of the sitution and you simply cannot deal with it. Perhaps instead of plugging your ears with cotton and calling me a liar, you could perhaps take this time to reexamine your position and read the counterpoints to your arguments. That's certainly more beneficial to an open mind, and the circlejerk masturbatory fest that is NSG could definitely use a dose of counterargument on a level that is digestible by even the basest members.

[Mkuki]

That doesn't explain how the State of Palestine is culpable for the actions of terrorists.

maybe because the state of palestine is terrorists

o:

it's an illegitimate organisation set up to perpetuate an artificially created insurgency against a superior state

it's winning only because everyone is tired of its childishness

this isnt some huge victory (or for that matter, defeat) for the west, it's just a collective sign that they couldnt pull their heads out of their arses long enough to come to a decent, reasonable conclusion with israel and instead they have to resort to violence to solve their problem

typical religious nutjobs

Which national government designates the State of Palestine as a terrorist organization? The State Department sure as hell doesn't.

What exactly is your idea of "a decent, reasonable conclusion with israel"?

[Humantus]

Or what any other people who have had to deal with a genocide experienced.

There was no historical genocide that reached the magnitude of the holocaust, dismissed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_c ... e_Americas

[Evraim]

Why should the State of Palestine be deemed culpable for the actions of Hamas?

Because Hamas is the elected government in Gaza at the moment. They may well lose if elections happen again, but they mustered enough support parading their Antisemitism and terrorism about like used car salesmen that they were able to take power, and without too much resistance from their rivals.

[Bolkania]

IDF serves Israel, and would release or keep any digital information only if it benefits them. It's like saying the American military would purposely realise photos or videos of the "collateral damage" caused upon Iraq after the Bagdad bombings. No military release information that would degrade their public image.

Also, please brush up your writing skills and grammar, as well as the profanity. Swearing does not make your weak argument any stronger.

IDF is a military instituion and inherently is subordinate to the civilian institution of the israeli government therefore it would be in its worse interests to concoct a conspiracy that the brave plaeistnian freedom fighters are not using human shields by shooting rockets from schoolyards

the fact that youre actually stating that israel not only falsifies human shield use by palestinian insurgents (a well documented fact) but also has the balls to do it repeatedly just shows that you have no grasp of reality at this point i suggest you read up on the arab-israeli wars from 1948 to now or so

that would be very helpful for you, since you apparently have such a limited grasp of the situation that you actually assume what i proposed (facetiously, mind) is not only plausible but actually happening

no i wont because this is the internet who gives a fuck about grammar when im right and youre not

Oh, don't worry... I've studied Palestine from the end of the Ottomans and the Balfour declaration, the Kibbutz age of illegal Jewish immigration, the Arab riots, Hagganah and Irgun, the bombings of the King David hotel, 1948 war, and all the way up to the Intifadda.

If anything my dear degenerate, YOU need to brush up on your history...

And for the record, I take a neural stance to the issue. I believe the Israel should be established but never in Palestine. Regardless of what there holy books say, it's illegal for Jews to surround themselves with angry Arabs. The who,argument that Israel should be where it is because of Canaan is bull shit. With this logic, I hereby claim Reptile to gain their own state, as they ruled Earth before humans.

Your like a child with the "Your wrong, Im right trololol." This only furthers makes you look like an an ignorant being, and there is flame intended. You simply are as educated about the Middle East as a Fishermen is about Anti-Matter.

[Geekos]

Or what any other people who have had to deal with a genocide experienced.

There was no historical genocide that reached the magnitude of the holocaust, dismissed.

The size of a genocide is irrelevant to the survivors (we have no way of knowing how the dead feel about it): all that matters is that probably everyone you know is dead in a horrible way for stupid reasons. You have no right to say that victims of genocides other than the holocaust experienced lesser horror and pain, and that it exactly what you are implying here. Yes, the Holocaust was truly horrifying, and those responsible for it could never have paid enough to balance out the consequences of what they did, and I don't think we should simply forget what happened. However, I would hope that anyone who survived that, or whose ancestors experienced that, would seek to AVOID committing horrible acts against anyone else (Nor do I argue that Israel should allow itself to be obliterated). Yet the Israeli government seems to see the Holocaust as the perfect justification to treat the Palestinians like unwanted vermin, and the Palestinians were not the ones who committed the Holocaust, so no one can argue this is payback either.

Note that of the low (there are almost certainly more) estimate of 11 million people killed in the camps themselves (not including other aspects of the war), about 6 million were Jewish. The remaining five million include the Romani (also known by the G-word they hate, who were nigh wiped out in Europe, and who still are treated as vermin in most of Europe), homosexuals and other "sexual deviants," civilians and soldiers of Slavic origin (read Eastern Europe into Russian), people who have disabilities, and political dissidents. Let's face it, the Holocaust was not and NEVER was a purely antisemitic affair. The Nazis intended to cull every non-Aryan race they could find, and the Jews, like the Romani, happened to be the most immediately vulnerable.

A long-winded post to be sure, but the Holocaust argument for justifying the Israeli government's attitude towards Palestine angers me as much as do Holocaust deniers. Just accept that horrible event happened and try to make sure it stops happening to anyone! Seriously, being the victims of prejudice does not justify being horrible to others.

[The United Earth Conclave]

Judaism is my favorite religion, in a perfect world everyone would practice Judaism. Anti-semites are mad because they're not living good lives and hate the interests of good people.

Anti-Jews foreskin is constricting them which makes them angry and jealous. True story.

[Alyakia]

Why should the State of Palestine be deemed culpable for the actions of Hamas?

Because Hamas is the elected government in the West Bank at the moment. They may well lose if elections happen again, but they mustered enough support parading their Antisemitism and terrorism about like used car salesmen that they were able to take power, and without too much resistance from their rivals.

wait, hamas run the west bank as well now? i've been out of the loop for a while i guess.

[Mkuki]

1. I never denied that Palestinians have used civilians as human shields. It is a deplorable course of action and should be halted immediately.
2. Did you conveniently ignore the fact that the the Israeli Defense Ministry wants to continue using Palestinians as human shield? Even after the Israeli High Court of Justice banned such practices. It's in the same article.

1. i never said you did in that quoted post
2. The Israeli military has a very prosaic attitude towards international law, much like some Westerners would say that Taliban should not be given quarter due their failure to do the same to the Western troops

Clearly the civilian government disagrees, and it's good, because the former is in charge and can tell the IDF what to do whether it likes it or not. Isn't the West great?

Given that Israel still continues to build settlements and still continues kill innocent Palestinians, not really.

[Estainia]

1. i never said you did in that quoted post
2. The Israeli military has a very prosaic attitude towards international law, much like some Westerners would say that Taliban should not be given quarter due their failure to do the same to the Western troops

Clearly the civilian government disagrees, and it's good, because the former is in charge and can tell the IDF what to do whether it likes it or not. Isn't the West great?

Given that Israel still continues to build settlements and still continues kill innocent Palestinians, not really.

Any people who support and empower irregular guerrillas are not 'innocent', Palestinian or otherwise.

[Evraim]

Because Hamas is the elected government in the West Bank at the moment. They may well lose if elections happen again, but they mustered enough support parading their Antisemitism and terrorism about like used car salesmen that they were able to take power, and without too much resistance from their rivals.

wait, hamas run the west bank as well now? i've been out of the loop for a while i guess.

Excuse me while I face palm repeatedly. I meant to type Gaza, not the West Bank. I really need to get some sleep, don't I?

[Mkuki]

Why should the State of Palestine be deemed culpable for the actions of Hamas?

Because Hamas is the elected government in the West Bank at the moment. They may well lose if elections happen again, but they mustered enough support parading their Antisemitism and terrorism about like used car salesmen that they were able to take power, and without too much resistance from their rivals.

I don't think that is a particularly reasonable position since Hamas has almost no control over the West Bank.

[Mkuki]

Given that Israel still continues to build settlements and still continues kill innocent Palestinians, not really.

Any people who support and empower irregular guerrillas are not 'innocent', Palestinian or otherwise.

Uninvolved Palestinians have been killed by the IDF, y'know.

[Evraim]

I don't think that is a particularly reasonable position since Hamas has almost no control over the West Bank.

See above.

I deserve it, though.

[Estainia]

Any people who support and empower irregular guerrillas are not 'innocent', Palestinian or otherwise.

Uninvolved Palestinians have been killed by the IDF, y'know.

There is no such thing as uninvolved in a war zone. Do I recognize the IDF has committed murder? Sure. I also recognize so has every armed force regular and irregular in history.

[Socialist Czechia]

omg, can't orient in so much text...what goin' on there?



pls.

[Mkuki]

I don't think that is a particularly reasonable position since Hamas has almost no control over the West Bank.

See above.

I deserve it, though.

Its cool. We all have off days.

[Evraim]

omg, can't orient in so much text...what goin' on there?

Something that's more likely to give you cancer than bathing in nuclear waste contaminated lake on Mars.

[Mkuki]

Uninvolved Palestinians have been killed by the IDF, y'know.

There is no such thing as uninvolved in a war zone. Do I recognize the IDF has committed murder? Sure. I also recognize so has every armed force regular and irregular in history.

Uninvolved as in not supporting Hamas or the IDF.

[Evraim]

Uninvolved as in not supporting Hamas or the IDF.

True, though I imagine it must be difficult to fight a war in such a confined space. Civilians are bound to wind-up in the crossfire, especially with Israel's policy of responding to threats with overwhelming force. It's not right, but I expect such casualties to continue until some kind of peace emerges.

[Humantus]

You asked for this. Try to refute the UN, Amnesty International, and even the United States government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_targeted_killings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... ettlements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinia ... al_torture

And regarding anti-semitism vs anti-zionism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_Test_of_Antisemitism

Please don't bs.