Why does everyone hate the Jews?

[Shie]

What about San-Francisco and West Hollywood?

At this point, I am convinced he is a troll.

My point is that there are locations open to homosexuals where they face little to no adversity and that sort of thing cannot be said for all of the world's jewish people.

[Lordieth]

3) Anti-Israeli: This is the form that's easiest to disguise and pretend it's only a political view, it's usually not. There is no reason to be against Israel and/or Jewish nationalism and it is mostly an excuse for antisemitism.

Nonsense. I think the Israeli government is an arrogant, obstinate bunch of hypocrites, who do whatever they can to avoid peaceful talks so they can maintain the status quo by building their settlements where they don't belong.

The Jewish people, on the other hand? Haven't got a bad word to say against them.

This is just like the "Why does everyone hate America" argument, or "Why does everyone hate Russia" argument. Perhaps if the Israeli government weren't giving themselves such a bad name, there'd be less reason for people to generalise. That doesn't make it right that they do, but that is, unfortunately, what people do.

[Draica]

They have Israel.

Because they stole it from those who were living there only 70 years ago.

OK, maybe Israel has done some war crimes. However, many anti-israel people use that to justify anti-semetism. Stormfront for example.

[Lingang]

Yes, it is a problem, but it's one that should be solved peacefully, not by establishing a militaristic state in the Middle-East which regularly abuses the Palestinians.

Abuse? That's not serious, the palestinians have been racist towards the jewish people and resent Israel because they've brought innovation and modern technology to the middle-east.

So the Palestinian's past racism justifies the abuses done by the Israeli government?

[Llamalandia]

Yes, it is a problem, but it's one that should be solved peacefully, not by establishing a militaristic state in the Middle-East which regularly abuses the Palestinians.

Abuse? That's not serious, the palestinians have been racist towards the jewish people and resent Israel because they've brought innovation and modern technology to the middle-east.

Actually, I think it's more about the whole "stealing palestinian land" thing and driving them out with tanks. More than the palestinians resenting the "modern technology" that Israel has brought to the middle east.

[Evraim]

I shall open this discussion by postulating a general theory explaining the Jewish dominance of various sectors of Western societies. According to a significant portion of Anti-Semites, Jews and people of Jewish heritage occupy the upper echelons of the social ladder in disproportionate numbers. These assertions are substantiated by data. For example, Jews and people of Jewish heritage constitute more than twenty percent of the undergraduate population at top schools in the United States. Furthermore, a disproportionate number of Nobel Prize recipients have been Jews or people of Jewish heritage.

This, however, begs the question: why are Jews performing so well within the current intellectual and cultural paradigms of Western societies? As Dr. Gelman establishes, discrimination against non-Jewish whites and other groups cannot explain these disparities. What then are we to make of arguments rooted in the uniqueness of Jewish culture? Are Jews more likely to contemplate the existential questions of life? Are Jews, as a culture, more predisposed towards feats of intellectual and academic brilliance than other groups?

We can observe from the data that Asian Americans are at least equally represented when compared to Jewish Americans in universities. However, Jewish Americans tend to secure more Nobel Prizes and occupy more offices in government than their Asian American counterparts. For example, 1.25% of representatives claim Asian heritage, while 6.20% of representatives identify as Jewish. While the demographics of electoral districts may explain this difference in representation, Jews also appear to be over-represented in other areas. For example, despite the fact that Asia holds more than two-thirds of the world's population, Jews still outpace Asians with regards to Nobel Prize recipients.

One perplexing aspect of the discourse on Jewish representation in Western societies and throughout the world is the emphasis placed on the unique characteristics of Jewish identity and culture as opposed to the values of these societies. Sociologists have longed theorized that the structure and mores of a civilization determine the hierarchies that emerge, and, as a logical consequence, the populations that comprise the elites. Why then have Western societies in particular elevated Jews to such a high status? What differentiates Jews from non-Jews?

Sigmund Freud hypothesized about the nascent connection between infantile experience and sexuality, predominantly focusing on the relationship between offspring and parents. Essentially, his argument was that early experiences shape the manner in which an individual conducts him or herself later in life. While Freud's theory was rooted in human sexuality, his successors have extrapolated his theories in a less stringent manner, founding the field of developmental psychology. One of Freud's disciplines, Karl Jung, applied the basics of Freudian psychology to the interpretation and study of dreams, symbols, and archetypes.

By combining these disparate psychological and sociological fields of study, we may arrive at a novel, though often reiterated hypothesis, that early cultural experiences leave an enduring mark on the collective psyche of a people. One speculative example of this phenomenon may be found in the flood myth, which is common to a multitude of divergent cultures, and is possibly rooted in the primordial experiences of the human species. Jews have themselves become archetypes and symbols within the wider Western cultural paradigm, being represented in such figures as the Wandering Jew. However, I shall contend that these archetypes have become antiquated and have been subsumed by more ancient and powerful archetypes, altering the dialectic which exists between the Jew and the Gentile.

In order to pursue this objective, it is necessary to first establish that beards serve as symbols of prestige and achievement throughout the world. This perception of beards and the elevation of bearded men is seen in many ancient civilizations, including the Egyptian culture. The Torah expressly mandates a prohibition against the shaving of one's beard. In both cases, powerful figures, such as kings and deities, are shown wearing impressive beards, giving facial hair a divine connotation. This obsession with the divinity of facial hair was prominent in several other Middle Eastern civilizations, as well as elsewhere.

There are, however, notable exceptions to this phenomena, especially on the European continent. The Greeks and the Romans both viewed facial hair as feminine and contemptible. To understand these attitudes, it is obligatory to comprehend the significance of facial hair within the Greco-Roman sexual and social paradigm. Facial hair has consistently been associated with masculinity, and, in the case of young men, the advent of adulthood. Both of these classical civilizations entertained a fascination with issues of gender and power.

Their love of the masculine may be seen as manifest in the practice of pederasty, or the development of an affectionate, educational, and sexual relationship between an adolescent and an older man. These relationships could often be abusive and damaging to the psyches of young men involved in them, as seen in the archetype of the young boy subjugated by the glorious conqueror, epitomized by Troilus and Achilles. Thus, the initial respect and prestige associated with facial hair became dread and contempt, as young men rebelled against their masculinity, abandoning the divine symbol of the omnipotent father figure in favor of bland conformity and eternal boyhood.

Despite this, later civilizations preserved the nascent respect for divine facial hair, resulting in a gradual elimination of the cultural apparatus of sexual repression. Most civilizations continue to view the beard as a symbol of virility, wisdom, and affluence. In fact, many medieval and renaissance paintings depict Jesus, the perfect embodiment of man, and his divine father with abundant facial hair. These depictions have remained more or less constant even as Westerners have begun to abandon facial hair in the name of professionalism. This is one of the most profound impacts of Capitalism, an economic system which demands constant childlike consumption.

Nonetheless, one prominent ethnic group has managed to preserve its cultural attachment to facial hair far longer than other groups: the Jews. This has been a source of much elation and much consternation for the Jew, who receives both the respect of the Gentile and his hatred. He represents the archetypal father, a figure of immense wisdom and inexhaustible libido. If our objective is to understand the phenomenon of Antisemitism and the success of the Jew, Freud offers the most practical insight.

The beard is a phallic symbol. Its perseverance among Jews has created an enduring impression on the psyche of both Gentiles and Jews, even with its gradual abandonment among both groups. This has resulted in the elevation of the Jew to the role of the archetypal father, and the subordination of the Gentile in the role of the archetypal son. The son yearns to gain access to the archetypal mother, representing wealth and worldly success, but this is impossible so long as the father remains alive. As such, the oedipal complex of the son states that he must murder the father to marry the mother. This is the root of Antisemitism.

In the same instant, the son has admiration for the father because he is capable of such grandiose feats as seem impossible to the son. His status as divine father represents a self-fulfilling prophesy, wherein the Jew is afforded more respect and status by virtue of his facial hair, whether actual or ingrained in the psyche of his cohorts. In this sense, it is possible to argue that the Jew is the master race. There you have it. The root of the Jewish experience is penis envy.

In case you haven't realized it yet, this entire essay is pseudo-intellectual nonsense designed to parody some of the academic papers that I've seen from my time dealing with psychology, sociology, gender studies, and, in some instances, language. I hope you enjoyed it.

[Riiser-Larsen]

Yes, it is a problem, but it's one that should be solved peacefully, not by establishing a militaristic state in the Middle-East which regularly abuses the Palestinians.

Abuse? That's not serious, the palestinians have been racist towards the jewish people and resent Israel because they've brought innovation and modern technology to the middle-east.

Yes, they resent Israel for bringing them new technologies and not because the Israelis rolled in with tanks, soldiers, and planes, kicked the Palestinians out of their land, put them into places that make the favelas look like an American suburb, and proceeded to take constant military action against both Palestinian troops and civilians.

Jews are not the bad guys here, but Israel is. If the jews want a homeland of their own, they need to find a way to establish one peacefully.

[MERIZoC]

This.

Yea no.
Jordania for the Palestines. Israel for the jews.

How about Palestine for the Palestinians? Or do the "oh so precious and abused Jews" deserve all the West Bank and Gaza too?

[Caltarania]

Because they are not a nation, they do not have a nation; they cannot steal the nations of others because they have been historically oppressed.

They have Israel.

Not all of them. Some are fine living in other countries, most of those would probably see themselves being a citizen of said country as more important than being Jewish. I once dated a Jewish girl (Ironically the only person I've ever dated) and she considerd herself more British than Jewish.

While what the Israeli government is doing is wrong on pretty much every level, let's not forget that pretty much every country in existence has committed some form of war crimes in the past (or present).

Israel's are more recent than many others, and, according to many sources, continue to this day.

Of course, I'm not denying that. Just pointing out that war crimes are quite common in the grand scheme of things.

But would the oppression of the Palestinians even be classed as a war crime? IIRC, formal war has not been declared (even though many Palestinians see themselves of members of the State of Palestine).

the difference is we don't get called anti-british if we start talking about crimes in nothern ireland or anti-french if we talk about africa but the minute you start talking about israel oh boy

Well yeah, the masses are generally quite ignorant of the truth. Media isn't as free as you'd think, though it's independent it's not always displaying the truth fully. But anyway, back to the topic.

This.

Yea no.
Jordania for the Palestines. Israel for the jews.

No. The Palestinians want to live there, so they have every right to stay.

Same with the Falklands. Which is it's real name, by the way. The one that the people who live there use.

[Shie]

Not as bad as what the jewish people experienced.

Or what any other people who have had to deal with a genocide experienced.

There was no historical genocide that reached the magnitude of the holocaust, dismissed.

[Tannarabia]

Yes, it is a problem, but it's one that should be solved peacefully, not by establishing a militaristic state in the Middle-East which regularly abuses the Palestinians.

Abuse? That's not serious, the palestinians have been racist towards the jewish people and resent Israel because they've brought innovation and modern technology to the middle-east.

If it wasn't for the massive amount of foreign aid that Israel receives, their nation would be in the same situation economically and technologically as Palestine. And, if anything, the Palestinians are angry about losing their homes.

[Llamalandia]

Because they stole it from those who were living there only 70 years ago.

OK, maybe Israel has done some war crimes. However, many anti-israel people use that to justify anti-semetism. Stormfront for example.

Wait, I thought Storm front discouraged antisemitism, as it's somehow a threat to white nationalism. I'm pretty sure they don't tolerate neo nazis nor antisemitism over at stormfront, but I could certainly check the rules again.

[Riiser-Larsen]

At this point, I am convinced he is a troll.

My point is that there are locations open to homosexuals where they face little to no adversity and that sort of thing cannot be said for all of the world's jewish people.

Perhaps they could be accepted within society more if Israel could stop shelling Palestinian homes for more than a few days.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Technically speaking that does count as some form of homosexuality (or at least bisexuality), but thank you for elaborating. It's a weird thing to try to summarize.

They didn't believe people were essentially meant to lust after certain sex, so their conception of sexual orientation is far different than ours.

There were no heteros or gays, just tops and bottoms and it had a social role. Sex of the partner was a matter of preference but overall their attitude about being an insertive partner was that very "in times of war whatever hole is a trench" attitude that the Bible authors got awfully shocked and baffled about, they were not conceived as inherent different kinds of people.

...That is a lot similar to historical conceptions of homosexuality in Latin America and the Middle East (lest it is not repressed with threat to one's life), even.

[Alyakia]

At this point, I am convinced he is a troll.

My point is that there are locations open to homosexuals where they face little to no adversity and that sort of thing cannot be said for all of the world's jewish people.

yes it can. jews can go to some countries perfectly fine, as can homosexuals. there might be one or two bad people, but i don't see you pushing for a fabulous state because there are one or two homophones out there.

and the beta israel get a lot of shit in israel itself, and yiddish speakers were treated like shit in israel as well. so don't pretend israel is some jewish heaven.

[Evraim]

Jews are not the bad guys here, but Israel is. If the jews want a homeland of their own, they need to find a way to establish one peacefully.

Let's not pretend as though the Palestinians were content to live alongside Jews in the Mandate. As a matter of historical fact, they wanted them out - through any means necessary, if one is to believe the rhetoric contrived by the Arab elites.

[Aquitayne]

Yea no.
Jordania for the Palestines. Israel for the jews.

How about Palestine for the Palestinians? Or do the "oh so precious and abused Jews" deserve all the West Bank and Gaza too?

I think being driven out of your homeland for roughly 4,000 years gives you a pretty solid casus belli to get it back, given the opportunity.

[Inquilabstan]

My point is that there are locations open to homosexuals where they face little to no adversity and that sort of thing cannot be said for all of the world's jewish people.

Say hello to Kerala. A state a little bigger than Israel on India's west coast where I am from. Jews have long considered it a place of refuge, and infact consider it the only place they have never been discriminated against. That was about 2 centuries ago. At the time of Israel's creatio, anti-sematism in vast swathes of the world was hardly the issue it was in the past.

[United Marxist Nations]

Yes, it is a problem, but it's one that should be solved peacefully, not by establishing a militaristic state in the Middle-East which regularly abuses the Palestinians.

Abuse? That's not serious, the palestinians have been racist towards the jewish people and resent Israel because they've brought innovation and modern technology to the middle-east.

No, it's because the Israelis invaded their territory, forced them to accept the authority of a Jewish state, and annexed areas which made up their state.

[The Emerald Dragon]

Because they stole it from those who were living there only 70 years ago.

OK, maybe Israel has done some war crimes. However, many anti-israel people use that to justify anti-semetism. Stormfront for example.

Anti-Semitism refers to prejudice against all Semites, not just Jews. (Jews, Arabs etc)

[Alaizia]

I shall open this discussion by postulating a general theory explaining the Jewish dominance of various sectors of Western societies. According to a significant portion of Anti-Semites, Jews and people of Jewish heritage occupy the upper echelons of the social ladder in disproportionate numbers. These assertions are substantiated by data. For example, Jews and people of Jewish heritage constitute more than twenty percent of the undergraduate population at top schools in the United States. Furthermore, a disproportionate number of Nobel Prize recipients have been Jews or people of Jewish heritage.

This, however, begs the question: why are Jews performing so well within the current intellectual and cultural paradigms of Western societies? As Dr. Gelman establishes, discrimination against non-Jewish whites and other groups cannot explain these disparities. What then are we to make of arguments rooted in the uniqueness of Jewish culture? Are Jews more likely to contemplate the existential questions of life? Are Jews, as a culture, more predisposed towards feats of intellectual and academic brilliance than other groups?

We can observe from the data that Asian Americans are at least equally represented when compared to Jewish Americans in universities. However, Jewish Americans tend to secure more Nobel Prizes and occupy more offices in government than their Asian American counterparts. For example, 1.25% of representatives claim Asian heritage, while 6.20% of representatives identify as Jewish. While the demographics of electoral districts may explain this difference in representation, Jews also appear to be over-represented in other areas. For example, despite the fact that Asia holds more than two-thirds of the world's population, Jews still outpace Asians with regards to Nobel Prize recipients.

One perplexing aspect of the discourse on Jewish representation in Western societies and throughout the world is the emphasis placed on the unique characteristics of Jewish identity and culture as opposed to the values of these societies. Sociologists have longed theorized that the structure and mores of a civilization determine the hierarchies that emerge, and, as a logical consequence, the populations that comprise the elites. Why then have Western societies in particular elevated Jews to such a high status? What differentiates Jews from non-Jews?

Sigmund Freud hypothesized about the nascent connection between infantile experience and sexuality, predominantly focusing on the relationship between offspring and parents. Essentially, his argument was that early experiences shape the manner in which an individual conducts him or herself later in life. While Freud's theory was rooted in human sexuality, his successors have extrapolated his theories in a less stringent manner, founding the field of developmental psychology. One of Freud's disciplines, Karl Jung, applied the basics of Freudian psychology to the interpretation and study of dreams, symbols, and archetypes.

By combining these disparate psychological and sociological fields of study, we may arrive at a novel, though often reiterated hypothesis, that early cultural experiences leave an enduring mark on the collective psyche of a people. One speculative example of this phenomenon may be found in the flood myth, which is common to a multitude of divergent cultures, and is possibly rooted in the primordial experiences of the human species. Jews have themselves become archetypes and symbols within the wider Western cultural paradigm, being represented in such figures as the Wandering Jew. However, I shall contend that these archetypes have become antiquated and have been subsumed by more ancient and powerful archetypes, altering the dialectic which exists between the Jew and the Gentile.

In order to pursue this objective, it is necessary to first establish that beards serve as symbols of prestige and achievement throughout the world. This perception of beards and the elevation of bearded men is seen in many ancient civilizations, including the Egyptian culture. The Torah expressly mandates a prohibition against the shaving of one's beard. In both cases, powerful figures, such as kings and deities, are shown wearing impressive beards, giving facial hair a divine connotation. This obsession with the divinity of facial hair was prominent in several other Middle Eastern civilizations, as well as elsewhere.

There are, however, notable exceptions to this phenomena, especially on the European continent. The Greeks and the Romans both viewed facial hair as feminine and contemptible. To understand these attitudes, it is obligatory to comprehend the significance of facial hair within the Greco-Roman sexual and social paradigm. Facial hair has consistently been associated with masculinity, and, in the case of young men, the advent of adulthood. Both of these classical civilizations entertained a fascination with issues of gender and power.

Their love of the masculine may be seen as manifest in the practice of pederasty, or the development of an affectionate, educational, and sexual relationship between an adolescent and an older man. These relationships could often be abusive and damaging to the psyches of young men involved in them, as seen in the archetype of the young boy subjugated by the glorious conqueror, epitomized by Troilus and Achilles. Thus, the initial respect and prestige associated with facial hair became dread and contempt, as young men rebelled against their masculinity, abandoning the divine symbol of the omnipotent father figure in favor of bland conformity and eternal boyhood.

Despite this, later civilizations preserved the nascent respect for divine facial hair, resulting in a gradual elimination of the cultural apparatus of sexual repression. Most civilizations continue to view the beard as a symbol of virility, wisdom, and affluence. In fact, many medieval and renaissance paintings depict Jesus, the perfect embodiment of man, and his divine father with abundant facial hair. These depictions have remained more or less constant even as Westerners have begun to abandon facial hair in the name of professionalism. This is one of the most profound impacts of Capitalism, an economic system which demands constant childlike consumption.

Nonetheless, one prominent ethnic group has managed to preserve its cultural attachment to facial hair far longer than other groups: the Jews. This has been a source of much elation and much consternation for the Jew, who receives both the respect of the Gentile and his hatred. He represents the archetypal father, a figure of immense wisdom and inexhaustible libido. If our objective is to understand the phenomenon of Antisemitism and the success of the Jew, Freud offers the most practical insight.

The beard is a phallic symbol. Its perseverance among Jews has created an enduring impression on the psyche of both Gentiles and Jews, even with its gradual abandonment among both groups. This has resulted in the elevation of the Jew to the role of the archetypal father, and the subordination of the Gentile in the role of the archetypal son. The son yearns to gain access to the archetypal mother, representing wealth and worldly success, but this is impossible so long as the father remains alive. As such, the oedipal complex of the son states that he must murder the father to marry the mother. This is the root of Antisemitism.

In the same instant, the son has admiration for the father because he is capable of such grandiose feats as seem impossible to the son. His status as divine father represents a self-fulfilling prophesy, wherein the Jew is afforded more respect and status by virtue of his facial hair, whether actual or ingrained in the psyche of his cohorts. In this sense, it is possible to argue that the Jew is the master race. There you have it. The root of the Jewish experience is penis envy.

In case you haven't realized it yet, this entire paragraph is pseudo-intellectual nonsense designed to parody some of the academic papers that I've seen from my time dealing with psychology, sociology, gender studies, and, in some instances, language. I hope you enjoyed it.

Are you done with these bs?

[Germagna]

I'm surprised to find out that everyone hates the Jews. Up to this point I had thought that I liked Jewish people. Apparently, according to your statement, I, too, hate the Jews. Even Jews hate the Jews, then.

Ever heard of a phrase before?

This.

Yea no.
Jordania for the Palestines. Israel for the jews.

Exactly. Why can't we just have our little sliver of land and be left in peace?

[Alyakia]

Or what any other people who have had to deal with a genocide experienced.

There was no historical genocide that reached the magnitude of the holocaust, dismissed.

which level of genocide needs to happen before your get your own state

[MERIZoC]

Yes, it is a problem, but it's one that should be solved peacefully, not by establishing a militaristic state in the Middle-East which regularly abuses the Palestinians.

Abuse? That's not serious, the palestinians have been racist towards the jewish people and resent Israel because they've brought innovation and modern technology to the middle-east.

Modern technology, such as:
tanks
rockets
bullets in the backs of teenagers

And speaking of racism: http://www.haaretz.com/news/high-court-delays-ruling-on-jnf-land-sales-to-non-jews-1.229946
Yeah, those Palestinians are so darn racist.

[Inquilabstan]

How about Palestine for the Palestinians? Or do the "oh so precious and abused Jews" deserve all the West Bank and Gaza too?

I think being driven out of your homeland for roughly 4,000 years gives you a pretty solid casus belli to get it back, given the opportunity.

So, should the native peoples of America get their land back? It has hardly been a few centuries in their case.