How do you feel about WMDs?

[Blazedtown]

They have also prevented potentially millions of deaths.

Mass killing of civilians is never justified. A soldier fights to protect civilians. Justifying killing the latter to preserve the lives of the former is ridiculous.

They've saved millions of civilian lives as well. A fully conventional war in Europe would kill millions of civilians. Had we never invented nuclear weapons, we would have had a third major land war in Europe in the 20th century. If you think World War 2 was horrible, imagine the full conventional military might of the Warsaw Pact and NATO going head to head in the 60s or 70s. The German Army was largely horse drawn during WW2. The last time the major powers went at it, our technology allowed us to kill each other in such great numbers that we lost track to the nearest 10 million. That alone is why need nuclear weapons. Imagine fighting a war and in the aftermath not nowing if the entire population of Greece still exists.

[New Acardia]

Don't like them but they are a necessary evil .

[Scomagia]

I was referring to nuclear weapons and MAD.

Ah, okay. Gotcha.

Yeah, chemical and biological weapons are deplorable.

[Scomagia]

Mass killing of civilians is never justified. A soldier fights to protect civilians. Justifying killing the latter to preserve the lives of the former is ridiculous.

They've saved millions of civilian lives as well. A fully conventional war in Europe would kill millions of civilians. Had we never invented nuclear weapons, we would have had a third major land war in Europe in the 20th century. If you think World War 2 was horrible, imagine the full conventional military might of the Warsaw Pact and NATO going head to head in the 60s or 70s. The German Army was largely horse drawn during WW2. The last time the major powers went at it, our technology allowed us to kill each other in such great numbers that we lost track to the nearest 10 million. That alone is why need nuclear weapons.

Exactly. Nuclear weapons are an efficient means of keeping the peace between First World nations, forcing us to be diplomatic and not bomb the shit out of each other because we disagree.

[Pandeeria]

They've saved millions of civilian lives as well. A fully conventional war in Europe would kill millions of civilians. Had we never invented nuclear weapons, we would have had a third major land war in Europe in the 20th century. If you think World War 2 was horrible, imagine the full conventional military might of the Warsaw Pact and NATO going head to head in the 60s or 70s. The German Army was largely horse drawn during WW2. The last time the major powers went at it, our technology allowed us to kill each other in such great numbers that we lost track to the nearest 10 million. That alone is why need nuclear weapons.

Exactly. Nuclear weapons are an efficient means of keeping the peace between First World nations, forcing us to be diplomatic and not bomb the shit out of each other because we disagree.

Though it would turn pretty bad if that back fires and the nukes don't stop us from bombing each other.

Then instead of standard bombs you got ICBMs and nuclear weapons flying everywhere.

[Blazedtown]

Exactly. Nuclear weapons are an efficient means of keeping the peace between First World nations, forcing us to be diplomatic and not bomb the shit out of each other because we disagree.

Though it would turn pretty bad if that back fires and the nukes don't stop us from bombing each other.

Then instead of standard bombs you got ICBMs and nuclear weapons flying everywhere.

Its been proven to work for 60 years now.

[Qeno]

Let's say we "banned" WMD's and every country with them disposed of them.What if some terrorist or country disobeys and launches them we would have no way to retaliate

Pretty much in this world it's like 'You should throw away your weapons but we'll keep ours'

[Pandeeria]

Though it would turn pretty bad if that back fires and the nukes don't stop us from bombing each other.

Then instead of standard bombs you got ICBMs and nuclear weapons flying everywhere.

Its been proven to work for 60 years now.

We don't know how long it will work, however.

[Blazedtown]

Its been proven to work for 60 years now.

We don't know how long it will work, however.

It will have to work until mankind unites and then we can take all of the nuclear warheads we've built over the years and use them against the foul xenos hordes than defile our birthright.

[Pandeeria]

We don't know how long it will work, however.

It will have to work until mankind unites and then we can take all of the nuclear warheads we've built over the years and use them against the foul xenos hordes than defile our birthright.

Sounds great.

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

Don't you think that this would fit just a little bit better with the oh so smart people on r/circlejerk?

[Senkaku]

WMDs make me a sad panda.

[Blazedtown]

Don't you think that this would fit just a little bit better with the oh so smart people on r/circlejerk?

r/circlejerk wishes it was NSG.

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

Don't you think that this would fit just a little bit better with the oh so smart people on r/circlejerk?

r/circlejerk wishes it was NSG.

With all the rampant sexism and racism, I doubt it could ever reach our level.

[Scomagia]

Exactly. Nuclear weapons are an efficient means of keeping the peace between First World nations, forcing us to be diplomatic and not bomb the shit out of each other because we disagree.

Though it would turn pretty bad if that back fires and the nukes don't stop us from bombing each other.

Then instead of standard bombs you got ICBMs and nuclear weapons flying everywhere.

We certainly need to find a way to keep the peace other than the threat of total annihilation but, for sixty years, MAD has been effective. It's unlikely anyone is actually stupid enough to initiate a nuclear war, there's nothing to gain.

[Scomagia]

Its been proven to work for 60 years now.

We don't know how long it will work, however.

It only needs to work until economic and cyber warfare become more viable than direct force. After that, we won't need em.

[Blazedtown]

We don't know how long it will work, however.

It only needs to work until economic and cyber warfare become more viable than direct force. After that, we won't need em.

Cyber warfare is an overused buzzword used by hack hollywood writers. It will never be anything more than espionage, and never superior to human gathered intelligence.

[Pandeeria]

It only needs to work until economic and cyber warfare become more viable than direct force. After that, we won't need em.

Cyber warfare is an overused buzzword used by hack hollywood writers. It will never be anything more than espionage, and never superior to human gathered intelligence.

I agree that it will pretty much just be espionage.
Though in the future, past our life times, when the world as a whole has became very advanced and scientific "cyber warfare" could become more viable then human gathered intelligence.

[Blazedtown]

Cyber warfare is an overused buzzword used by hack hollywood writers. It will never be anything more than espionage, and never superior to human gathered intelligence.

I agree that it will pretty much just be espionage.
Though in the future, past our life times, when the world as a whole has became very advanced and scientific "cyber warfare" could become more viable then human gathered intelligence.

And how do you breach systems that have zero connections to the outside world short of placing an actual human being inside the facility?

[North Yakistan]

I vote option 4. "This is a horribly constructed poll"

[Blazedtown]

I vote option 4. "This is a horribly constructed poll"

The correct answer is option 2. Life is cheap and expendable.

[North Yakistan]

I vote option 4. "This is a horribly constructed poll"

The correct answer is option 2. Life is cheap and expendable.

Life's value like everything is determined by the market, and right now its flooded

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I agree that it will pretty much just be espionage.
Though in the future, past our life times, when the world as a whole has became very advanced and scientific "cyber warfare" could become more viable then human gathered intelligence.

And how do you breach systems that have zero connections to the outside world short of placing an actual human being inside the facility?

If said system is a bunker, then with a bomb.

[North Yakistan]

And how do you breach systems that have zero connections to the outside world short of placing an actual human being inside the facility?

If said system is a bunker, then with a bomb.

A bomb dosnt gather much inteligence.

[Blazedtown]

And how do you breach systems that have zero connections to the outside world short of placing an actual human being inside the facility?

If said system is a bunker, then with a bomb.

Congratulations you just destroyed the intel you wanted to gather from that bunker.