NATION

PASSWORD

Should the United States Annex Mexico?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

Should the United States Annex Mexico?

YES!
62
22%
No.
44
16%
Hell no!
166
60%
Undecided.
4
1%
 
Total votes : 276

User avatar
The Emerald Dragon
Senator
 
Posts: 4708
Founded: Jan 30, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby The Emerald Dragon » Sun May 04, 2014 8:29 am

And people wonder why i have the view that the U.S are "imperialistic warmongers"

User avatar
Terra Sector Union
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1363
Founded: Sep 04, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Terra Sector Union » Sun May 04, 2014 8:29 am

Herrebrugh wrote:No. Netherland should annex the United States.

Why? So the US can have more prostitution in their streets?
For so long, Mankind has been plagued by division. Division by culture, creed, skin color, religion and nationality. These very divisions have been the cause of most human conflicts. But in the age of globalism, we can finally have that chance to implement a world government where all human beings are seen as equals. Isn't that what everyone wants? World peace? I do. You should support that too. It may not end all conflicts, but the reductions of Man on Man violence will be at an all time low when the entire planet gets administered by one governing body.


Strobe Talbot. wrote:n the next century (now), nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single global authority and realize national sovereignty wasn’t such a great deal after all.

User avatar
Albaie
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1912
Founded: Apr 15, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Albaie » Sun May 04, 2014 8:30 am

No that would just lead to huge loss in life on both sides.
Emperor Michael II Dubrack Dubracksson his most catholic majesty, the papal gentlemen, Crusher of the Republic. Emperor of Albaie islands, New Albaie, Rutenburg, Petrelle, Dubracksland-Newfoundland, Leifson-Newfoundland, Dubracksland, Firecount, Wetern, Retu, Tere, Ilop, Yerekn, Tenke and Hurte.
Crown Prince Dubrack Dubrack Dubracksson
Rated AAA by InterHoh Orginzation
King of the Nationstates Loyalist Resistance Army
Embassy Thread

User avatar
Estado Paulista
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5791
Founded: Sep 06, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Estado Paulista » Sun May 04, 2014 8:31 am

The Emerald Dragon wrote:And people wonder why i have the view that the U.S are "imperialistic warmongers"


Because the OP was clearly posted by Barack Obama himself.
Your nation is like a son. What it does right is your merit, as well as what it does wrong is your fault. When you praise it, be lucid and avoid exaggeration. Praising it too much can make it indolent. On the other hand, when you criticize it, be harsh, but do not ridicule it. Do your best to improve it, not through derision or disdain, but through good examples and dedication.

User avatar
The Fascist American Empire
Minister
 
Posts: 3101
Founded: Oct 12, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sun May 04, 2014 8:32 am

The Great Warrior Rivers wrote:
The Fascist American Empire wrote:
So this is what I've gotten from this, it is kind of hard to understand with the horrific grammar:

"We should threaten Mexico with war if they don't get their people in line and if immigration continues then we should invade and annex Mexico. Immigration problem solved."

Personally, I don't have a problem with immigrants, speak English and obey the law and you can stay, but I do see the advantages to this. It would be mutually beneficial as for the following reasons.
1. Illegal immigration will largely end (obviously).
2. Mexico's government is but a puppet of the drug cartels, who are constantly killing each other (who wouldn't emigrate away from that?). Thus, American annexation could help topple the drug czars.
3. Mexico and Peru are the world's largest producers of silver. Thus, a Mexican Annexation could easily bolster the economy.
4. If we legalize the drug trade and keep it under government control (no way I'd trust the private sector with this), then it would also boost the economy and completely destroy the economic empires of the cartels.
5. Perhaps we would be less concerned about Mexicans "taking our jobs" (jobs that nobody wants btw) if they are all U.S. citizens.
6. Mexico is in the midst of political and economic chaos, even more so than America, so if we just go in there and make Mexico a bunch of U.S. territories, then later states, we could fix their problems. Right? We did it with Iraq and sort of with Afghanistan.

And there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head right at the moment. So, Should the United States invade our neighbor to the South? If so, why? If not, why?

Is this even an actual question? Even if we did want to, the international community would disown us. And, we don't. It would cause more problems than it would solve.

1. Illegal immigration would not end. People would be jumping from both Canada and Central America.
2. The Czars would have an easier time distributing drugs because then there won't be a heavily guarded line between Mexico and the largest consumer of all, the United States.
3. Inflation, Inflation, Inflation! If you thought it was bad already, you haven't seen the beginning of it.
4. Brain drain. Not a lot of corporate CEO's come from pot-smoking, injecting junkies who live on the streets. It would be the American Dream however.
5. Mexicans are not stealing our jobs. Just our tax money.
6. So, was annexing Crimea a good thing with Russia, because that is what you are suggesting here. Riots will be everywhere. Trying to destabilize North America with it's peaceful relations is not a good thing to try to go out and accomplish.

**EDIT** Not to mention another war, which Americans do NOT want right now. It would be Vietnam in the 21st century.


1. I never said it would end. I said it would LARGELY end. BIG difference there. And why would Canadians leave for this hellhole?! :blink:
2. Not if the government takes control of the drug trade, thus making it easier to get it legally than illegally.
3. Yes. But did you know that paper is worthless without something to back it up? Something like say, precious metals I think?
4. You see an opportunity, you make a profit. Just because they aren't so now, that automatically means they wouldn't ever?
5. The "take" both. But the jobs thing is the popular argument.
Yes. Have you seen Ukraine lately? Besides, the majority of the Crimean people have always wanted to be a part of Russia, since the majority are Russian. You want to talk about Ukraine then go make your own thread.
7 And finally,you do realize that the "international community" is just a chihuahua that yaps when it doesn't get it's way. It kind of depends on the United States, Russia, or some other military power to back up anything.

As for the war, so what? When was the last time we went to war and people were ok with it? WWII I think?

Americans, hands off Ukraine and let Russia do what they will in their own sphere of influence! You are not the world's police!
You obviously do since you posted a response like the shifty little red velvet pseudo ant you are. Yes I am onto your little tricks you hissing pest you exoskeleton brier patch you. Now crawl back in to that patch of grass you call hell and hiss some more. -Benuty
[quote="Arkandros";p="20014230"]

RIP Eli Waller
Race! It is a feeling, not a reality: ninety-five percent, at least, is a feeling. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today. -Benito Mussolini

User avatar
Diopolis
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17734
Founded: May 15, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Diopolis » Sun May 04, 2014 8:32 am

Not unless America comes to it's senses and decides world unification is a good idea, in which case Mexico would be a good place to start. Otherwise, no.
Texas nationalist, right-wing technocrat, radical social conservative, post-liberal.

User avatar
Kelinfort
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16394
Founded: Nov 10, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Kelinfort » Sun May 04, 2014 8:32 am

No.

User avatar
Kuzestan
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 389
Founded: Aug 09, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Kuzestan » Sun May 04, 2014 8:32 am

The Fascist American Empire wrote:
Canton Empire wrote:I think we should lead "drug busts" on illegals as in find them and deport them. let no one immigrate if their home country always turns up immigrates(you know what im talking about). we should also threaten mexico with a declaration of war. and then if illegals continue to come we take over mexico, thus ending illegal immigration(well a big chunk)


So this is what I've gotten from this, it is kind of hard to understand with the horrific grammar:

"We should threaten Mexico with war if they don't get their people in line and if immigration continues then we should invade and annex Mexico. Immigration problem solved."

Personally, I don't have a problem with immigrants, speak English and obey the law and you can stay, but I do see the advantages to this. It would be mutually beneficial as for the following reasons.
1. Illegal immigration will largely end (obviously).
2. Mexico's government is but a puppet of the drug cartels, who are constantly killing each other (who wouldn't emigrate away from that?). Thus, American annexation could help topple the drug czars.
3. Mexico and Peru are the world's largest producers of silver. Thus, a Mexican Annexation could easily bolster the economy.
4. If we legalize the drug trade and keep it under government control (no way I'd trust the private sector with this), then it would also boost the economy and completely destroy the economic empires of the cartels.
5. Perhaps we would be less concerned about Mexicans "taking our jobs" (jobs that nobody wants btw) if they are all U.S. citizens.
6. Mexico is in the midst of political and economic chaos, even more so than America, so if we just go in there and make Mexico a bunch of U.S. territories, then later states, we could fix their problems. Right? We did it with Iraq and sort of with Afghanistan.

And there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head right at the moment. So, Should the United States invade our neighbor to the South? If so, why? If not, why?

Some communists from the newly conquered mexican states would be a great addition to the US Congress, riiight?
Left/Right: -4.00
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.05
Yep: Social progressivism, democracy, unrestricted free speech, market socialism, secularism, non-interventionist policies.
Nope: Conservatism (fiscal and social), fascism, authoritarianism, laissez-faire capitalism, imperialist policies.

User avatar
The Emerald Dragon
Senator
 
Posts: 4708
Founded: Jan 30, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby The Emerald Dragon » Sun May 04, 2014 8:32 am

Estado Paulista wrote:
The Emerald Dragon wrote:And people wonder why i have the view that the U.S are "imperialistic warmongers"


Because the OP was clearly posted by Barack Obama himself.


Not really, just i think the U.S' record over 50 years hasn't been particularly glowing in regards to invasions.

User avatar
The Fascist American Empire
Minister
 
Posts: 3101
Founded: Oct 12, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sun May 04, 2014 8:33 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:Wouldn't be good for America's reputation. The UN will cry imperialism if that ever happens.

Again, UN = yapping Chihuahua.

Americans, hands off Ukraine and let Russia do what they will in their own sphere of influence! You are not the world's police!
You obviously do since you posted a response like the shifty little red velvet pseudo ant you are. Yes I am onto your little tricks you hissing pest you exoskeleton brier patch you. Now crawl back in to that patch of grass you call hell and hiss some more. -Benuty
[quote="Arkandros";p="20014230"]

RIP Eli Waller
Race! It is a feeling, not a reality: ninety-five percent, at least, is a feeling. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today. -Benito Mussolini

User avatar
Herrebrugh
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15206
Founded: Aug 24, 2007
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Herrebrugh » Sun May 04, 2014 8:33 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:No. Netherland should annex the United States.

Why? So the US can have more prostitution in their streets?


Absolutely.
Uyt naem Zijner Majeſteyt Jozef III, bij de gratie Godts, Koningh der Herrebrugheylanden, Prins van Rheda, Heer van Jozefslandt, enz. enz. enz.
Im Namen Seiner Majeſtät Joſeph III., von Gottes Gnaden König der Herrenbrückinſeln, Prinz von Rheda, Herr von Josephsland etc. etc. etc.


The Factbook of the Kingdom of the Herrebrugh Islands
Where the Website-Style Factbook Originated!

User avatar
The Emerald Dragon
Senator
 
Posts: 4708
Founded: Jan 30, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby The Emerald Dragon » Sun May 04, 2014 8:34 am

Herrebrugh wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:Why? So the US can have more prostitution in their streets?


Absolutely.


Yes, then we'll see the Republican's faces.

User avatar
Estado Paulista
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5791
Founded: Sep 06, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Estado Paulista » Sun May 04, 2014 8:34 am

Herrebrugh wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:Why? So the US can have more prostitution in their streets?


Absolutely.


Don't forget the weed.
Your nation is like a son. What it does right is your merit, as well as what it does wrong is your fault. When you praise it, be lucid and avoid exaggeration. Praising it too much can make it indolent. On the other hand, when you criticize it, be harsh, but do not ridicule it. Do your best to improve it, not through derision or disdain, but through good examples and dedication.

User avatar
The Fascist American Empire
Minister
 
Posts: 3101
Founded: Oct 12, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sun May 04, 2014 8:34 am

Kuzestan wrote:
The Fascist American Empire wrote:
So this is what I've gotten from this, it is kind of hard to understand with the horrific grammar:

"We should threaten Mexico with war if they don't get their people in line and if immigration continues then we should invade and annex Mexico. Immigration problem solved."

Personally, I don't have a problem with immigrants, speak English and obey the law and you can stay, but I do see the advantages to this. It would be mutually beneficial as for the following reasons.
1. Illegal immigration will largely end (obviously).
2. Mexico's government is but a puppet of the drug cartels, who are constantly killing each other (who wouldn't emigrate away from that?). Thus, American annexation could help topple the drug czars.
3. Mexico and Peru are the world's largest producers of silver. Thus, a Mexican Annexation could easily bolster the economy.
4. If we legalize the drug trade and keep it under government control (no way I'd trust the private sector with this), then it would also boost the economy and completely destroy the economic empires of the cartels.
5. Perhaps we would be less concerned about Mexicans "taking our jobs" (jobs that nobody wants btw) if they are all U.S. citizens.
6. Mexico is in the midst of political and economic chaos, even more so than America, so if we just go in there and make Mexico a bunch of U.S. territories, then later states, we could fix their problems. Right? We did it with Iraq and sort of with Afghanistan.

And there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head right at the moment. So, Should the United States invade our neighbor to the South? If so, why? If not, why?

Some communists from the newly conquered mexican states would be a great addition to the US Congress, riiight?


Wouldn't make much difference. There'd still be immense deadlock and nothing would ever get done. :p

Americans, hands off Ukraine and let Russia do what they will in their own sphere of influence! You are not the world's police!
You obviously do since you posted a response like the shifty little red velvet pseudo ant you are. Yes I am onto your little tricks you hissing pest you exoskeleton brier patch you. Now crawl back in to that patch of grass you call hell and hiss some more. -Benuty
[quote="Arkandros";p="20014230"]

RIP Eli Waller
Race! It is a feeling, not a reality: ninety-five percent, at least, is a feeling. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today. -Benito Mussolini

User avatar
Nervium
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6513
Founded: Jan 23, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Nervium » Sun May 04, 2014 8:35 am

Kuzestan wrote:
The Fascist American Empire wrote:
So this is what I've gotten from this, it is kind of hard to understand with the horrific grammar:

"We should threaten Mexico with war if they don't get their people in line and if immigration continues then we should invade and annex Mexico. Immigration problem solved."

Personally, I don't have a problem with immigrants, speak English and obey the law and you can stay, but I do see the advantages to this. It would be mutually beneficial as for the following reasons.
1. Illegal immigration will largely end (obviously).
2. Mexico's government is but a puppet of the drug cartels, who are constantly killing each other (who wouldn't emigrate away from that?). Thus, American annexation could help topple the drug czars.
3. Mexico and Peru are the world's largest producers of silver. Thus, a Mexican Annexation could easily bolster the economy.
4. If we legalize the drug trade and keep it under government control (no way I'd trust the private sector with this), then it would also boost the economy and completely destroy the economic empires of the cartels.
5. Perhaps we would be less concerned about Mexicans "taking our jobs" (jobs that nobody wants btw) if they are all U.S. citizens.
6. Mexico is in the midst of political and economic chaos, even more so than America, so if we just go in there and make Mexico a bunch of U.S. territories, then later states, we could fix their problems. Right? We did it with Iraq and sort of with Afghanistan.

And there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head right at the moment. So, Should the United States invade our neighbor to the South? If so, why? If not, why?

Some communists from the newly conquered mexican states would be a great addition to the US Congress, riiight?


Well, if you're assuming "it couldn't get any worse with the Tea Party now" then yes, actually.
I've retired from the forums.

User avatar
Terra Sector Union
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1363
Founded: Sep 04, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Terra Sector Union » Sun May 04, 2014 8:35 am

Estado Paulista wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
Absolutely.


Don't forget the weed.

And the Leftism in general.
For so long, Mankind has been plagued by division. Division by culture, creed, skin color, religion and nationality. These very divisions have been the cause of most human conflicts. But in the age of globalism, we can finally have that chance to implement a world government where all human beings are seen as equals. Isn't that what everyone wants? World peace? I do. You should support that too. It may not end all conflicts, but the reductions of Man on Man violence will be at an all time low when the entire planet gets administered by one governing body.


Strobe Talbot. wrote:n the next century (now), nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single global authority and realize national sovereignty wasn’t such a great deal after all.

User avatar
Fascist Russian Empire
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9267
Founded: Aug 11, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Sun May 04, 2014 8:36 am

The United States needs to be dissolved, not grow stronger.

User avatar
New Terricon
Diplomat
 
Posts: 516
Founded: Jul 13, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby New Terricon » Sun May 04, 2014 8:37 am

Should Mexico annex the US? :)
I may start using this as my main account, I dunno.

User avatar
Order of pheonix
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 115
Founded: Jun 29, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Order of pheonix » Sun May 04, 2014 8:37 am

I think you guys are missing a major part of this: who america would be firing on. The mexican government is no big problem, with some efforts to improve education and living standards it could be beneficial for all. but the major reason for a military takeover rather than aid is drug cartels. the Mexican government is paralyzed by bribes/threats, and lack resources for taking down the cartels. if the US did it, even if not to take over mexico, just to prevent drugs from entering the states, it might not be the worst idea in the world.

User avatar
The Fascist American Empire
Minister
 
Posts: 3101
Founded: Oct 12, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sun May 04, 2014 8:38 am

New Terricon wrote:Should Mexico annex the US? :)

Why are so many people asking that? They don't have the military, economic, or technological capacity to do that. Nicaragua maybe, but they aren't reclaiming Texas anytime soon.

Americans, hands off Ukraine and let Russia do what they will in their own sphere of influence! You are not the world's police!
You obviously do since you posted a response like the shifty little red velvet pseudo ant you are. Yes I am onto your little tricks you hissing pest you exoskeleton brier patch you. Now crawl back in to that patch of grass you call hell and hiss some more. -Benuty
[quote="Arkandros";p="20014230"]

RIP Eli Waller
Race! It is a feeling, not a reality: ninety-five percent, at least, is a feeling. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today. -Benito Mussolini

User avatar
Herrebrugh
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15206
Founded: Aug 24, 2007
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Herrebrugh » Sun May 04, 2014 8:39 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:
Don't forget the weed.

And the Leftism in general.


Hahaha, Netherland is leftist! :rofl:

Oh my, you sure are great at making jokes.
Uyt naem Zijner Majeſteyt Jozef III, bij de gratie Godts, Koningh der Herrebrugheylanden, Prins van Rheda, Heer van Jozefslandt, enz. enz. enz.
Im Namen Seiner Majeſtät Joſeph III., von Gottes Gnaden König der Herrenbrückinſeln, Prinz von Rheda, Herr von Josephsland etc. etc. etc.


The Factbook of the Kingdom of the Herrebrugh Islands
Where the Website-Style Factbook Originated!

User avatar
The Fascist American Empire
Minister
 
Posts: 3101
Founded: Oct 12, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sun May 04, 2014 8:39 am

Order of pheonix wrote:I think you guys are missing a major part of this: who america would be firing on. The mexican government is no big problem, with some efforts to improve education and living standards it could be beneficial for all. but the major reason for a military takeover rather than aid is drug cartels. the Mexican government is paralyzed by bribes/threats, and lack resources for taking down the cartels. if the US did it, even if not to take over mexico, just to prevent drugs from entering the states, it might not be the worst idea in the world.

Thank you!

/point.

Americans, hands off Ukraine and let Russia do what they will in their own sphere of influence! You are not the world's police!
You obviously do since you posted a response like the shifty little red velvet pseudo ant you are. Yes I am onto your little tricks you hissing pest you exoskeleton brier patch you. Now crawl back in to that patch of grass you call hell and hiss some more. -Benuty
[quote="Arkandros";p="20014230"]

RIP Eli Waller
Race! It is a feeling, not a reality: ninety-five percent, at least, is a feeling. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today. -Benito Mussolini

User avatar
The Emerald Dragon
Senator
 
Posts: 4708
Founded: Jan 30, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby The Emerald Dragon » Sun May 04, 2014 8:39 am

Order of pheonix wrote:I think you guys are missing a major part of this: who america would be firing on. The mexican government is no big problem, with some efforts to improve education and living standards it could be beneficial for all. but the major reason for a military takeover rather than aid is drug cartels. the Mexican government is paralyzed by bribes/threats, and lack resources for taking down the cartels. if the US did it, even if not to take over mexico, just to prevent drugs from entering the states, it might not be the worst idea in the world.


Better idea.

Have Mexican soldiers supported by the U.S destroy the drug cartels.

User avatar
The Fascist American Empire
Minister
 
Posts: 3101
Founded: Oct 12, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sun May 04, 2014 8:40 am

The Emerald Dragon wrote:
Order of pheonix wrote:I think you guys are missing a major part of this: who america would be firing on. The mexican government is no big problem, with some efforts to improve education and living standards it could be beneficial for all. but the major reason for a military takeover rather than aid is drug cartels. the Mexican government is paralyzed by bribes/threats, and lack resources for taking down the cartels. if the US did it, even if not to take over mexico, just to prevent drugs from entering the states, it might not be the worst idea in the world.


Better idea.

Have Mexican soldiers supported by the U.S destroy the drug cartels.

Because that's working out well in Afghanistan. Oh wait…

Americans, hands off Ukraine and let Russia do what they will in their own sphere of influence! You are not the world's police!
You obviously do since you posted a response like the shifty little red velvet pseudo ant you are. Yes I am onto your little tricks you hissing pest you exoskeleton brier patch you. Now crawl back in to that patch of grass you call hell and hiss some more. -Benuty
[quote="Arkandros";p="20014230"]

RIP Eli Waller
Race! It is a feeling, not a reality: ninety-five percent, at least, is a feeling. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today. -Benito Mussolini

User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59297
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun May 04, 2014 8:40 am

No.
Irish Nationalist from Belfast / Leftwing / Atheist / Alliance Party voter
"I never thought in terms of being a leader, i thought very simply in terms of helping people" - John Hume 1937 - 2020



I like Miniature painting, Tanks, English Gals, Video games and most importantly Cheese.


PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Almighty Biden, Andronya, Atrito, Big Eyed Animation, Duvniask, Elejamie, Fort Viorlia, Maximum Imperium Rex, Niolia, Orang Moku, Port Carverton, Statesburg, Tesseris, Ulsturia, Zurkerx

Advertisement

Remove ads