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Should the United States Annex Mexico?

YES!
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No.
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Hell no!
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Undecided.
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Sun May 04, 2014 9:15 am

Great Israel wrote:For A few reasons might prove why it is a foolish idea:
1. Ok then, Immigration wont be mexican, it will be South and Central American, what will you do? conquer it to?
2. You plan on ending Mexican immigration by accepting them into your country legally? just a thought, do you realise that it will lead to Hispanic/Latin majority in America?
3. People have already said it like 1000 times, but let me say it again, Drug Cartels..............
4. International Community will FINALLY show what they REALLY feel about the USA. condemnations, closure of Embassys, turning slowly to Russia and China's support rather than USA's. trust me, it is bad for no one else but the USA. the USA, ever since the Cold War, tries to have at least one close "Ally" in one region. SouthEast Asia, East Asia, Pacific Ocean, South America, Middle East etc. once it loses its "allies", they will be mainly isolationist. the most they can get involved at is European Politics and American (continental) politics, no more than that. the reason i say "Allies" is because i never considered US allies as true allies, maybe besides Canada. the only real Allies USA can have (not talking about the Mexican annexation shit, but currently in real life from now on) are China and Russia, because they are pretty much standing at the same place in international relations. the other "Allies" USA has are just as much as Satelite States to the USSR. a "US Ally" is somehow a puppet/client nation of US.


This is incredibly rich coming from an Israeli....

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Postby The 93rd Coalition » Sun May 04, 2014 9:17 am

We screwed up Iraq and Afghanistan, we didn't fix them. But this thread isn't about that.

No, we should not annex Mexico. Not unless the U.S. is prepared to deal with the worst PR case since Blackwater massacre.

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Postby New Terricon » Sun May 04, 2014 9:17 am

The Fascist American Empire wrote:
New Terricon wrote:Should Mexico annex the US? :)

Why are so many people asking that? They don't have the military, economic, or technological capacity to do that. Nicaragua maybe, but they aren't reclaiming Texas anytime soon.



Oh please, Mexico has the strongest army ever!
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Postby Canton Empire » Sun May 04, 2014 9:18 am

:clap: thank you for taking my illegal immigration thread and turning it into a new thread. thank you very much for taking that line on invading mexico seriously. thank you fasist america
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun May 04, 2014 9:18 am

No.
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Postby Montesardo-East Adanzi » Sun May 04, 2014 9:20 am

Hell no! We may have problems, but I will not give up my nation's sovereignty to form part of a nation that stole half of our lands! Apart from the fact that there will be no clear benefit from us joining the US. ¡Viva México!
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Sun May 04, 2014 9:21 am

Montesardo-East Adanzi wrote:Hell no! We may have problems, but I will not give up my nation's sovereignty to form part of a nation that stole half of our lands! Apart from the fact that their will be no clear benefit from us joining the US. ¡Viva México!



:clap:

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Postby Terra Sector Union » Sun May 04, 2014 9:26 am

The Emerald Dragon wrote:
The Fascist American Empire wrote:
I'm sorry, just how many come from there every year (except Cuba) ? Not as many as you seem to think. Now, how many come from Mexico and other Central American countries via Mexico? A hell of a lot more.


Nope, you're not thinking clearly.

These countries immigrated MASSIVELY about 100 or so years ago.

Should they be invaded?

The think we know what the OP really wants. All of Earth must be America. But would that stop from illegal immigration from Luna?
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Strobe Talbot. wrote:n the next century (now), nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single global authority and realize national sovereignty wasn’t such a great deal after all.

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Postby Lamaredia » Sun May 04, 2014 9:28 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:
The Emerald Dragon wrote:
Nope, you're not thinking clearly.

These countries immigrated MASSIVELY about 100 or so years ago.

Should they be invaded?

The think we know what the OP really wants. All of Earth must be America. But would that stop from illegal immigration from Luna?

Obviously, all of the Multiverse must be America.
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Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sun May 04, 2014 9:29 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:
The Emerald Dragon wrote:
Nope, you're not thinking clearly.

These countries immigrated MASSIVELY about 100 or so years ago.

Should they be invaded?

The think we know what the OP really wants. All of Earth must be America. But would that stop from illegal immigration from Luna?

Did anybody read my response to his/her nonsense?

And please, a unified "world government" is just a pipe dream that's failed time and again.
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Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sun May 04, 2014 9:31 am

Canton Empire wrote::clap: thank you for taking my illegal immigration thread and turning it into a new thread. thank you very much for taking that line on invading mexico seriously. thank you fasist america

Sarcasm? It's kind of hard to tell, especially on a computer screen.

Americans, hands off Ukraine and let Russia do what they will in their own sphere of influence! You are not the world's police!
You obviously do since you posted a response like the shifty little red velvet pseudo ant you are. Yes I am onto your little tricks you hissing pest you exoskeleton brier patch you. Now crawl back in to that patch of grass you call hell and hiss some more. -Benuty
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Sun May 04, 2014 9:31 am

Montesardo-East Adanzi wrote:Hell no! We may have problems, but I will not give up my nation's sovereignty to form part of a nation that stole half of our lands! Apart from the fact that there will be no clear benefit from us joining the US. ¡Viva México!

You wanna talk about stealing land? Okay, why did Spain steal land from the natives and formed an extension of their Empire (New Spain) of what is now called Mexico.

Your country really has a similar history to the USA. Another former colony from a European superpower turned independent nation. Come to think of it, why do nations of former colonies have people that are ignorant of their own history? Could it be isolation? Does the average Mexican even know their culture is influenced greatly by Spain? Sorry I'm asking all these questions but since I am from California (a presumably stolen land of Mexico) I get this "Go back to Europe, American!" nonsense. Don't Mexicans have European ancestry too?
For so long, Mankind has been plagued by division. Division by culture, creed, skin color, religion and nationality. These very divisions have been the cause of most human conflicts. But in the age of globalism, we can finally have that chance to implement a world government where all human beings are seen as equals. Isn't that what everyone wants? World peace? I do. You should support that too. It may not end all conflicts, but the reductions of Man on Man violence will be at an all time low when the entire planet gets administered by one governing body.


Strobe Talbot. wrote:n the next century (now), nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single global authority and realize national sovereignty wasn’t such a great deal after all.

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Postby Montesardo-East Adanzi » Sun May 04, 2014 9:34 am

The Fascist American Empire wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:The think we know what the OP really wants. All of Earth must be America. But would that stop from illegal immigration from Luna?

Did anybody read my response to his/her nonsense?

And please, a unified "world government" is just a pipe dream that's failed time and again.



Your idea is just as nonsense as what you responded to. Do you actually think this will resolve anything? It would he highly hypocritical of the US (which I also happen to be a citizen of) to have drafted an act restricting European influence in the late 1800 to then later want to start its own empire. Apart from the fact that it would unjustly steal our lands, resources, deprive us of our rights and liberties and ultimately succumb us to its own laws. I will not support such an atrocious and preposterous deed!
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Postby Limborg » Sun May 04, 2014 9:35 am

If they want to Isolate themselves from the rest of the world, then sure.
Anyhow, for the US it would be the worst idea ever, and that's a hard thing since most of the US actions have been shitty ideas.

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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Sun May 04, 2014 9:37 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:
Montesardo-East Adanzi wrote:Hell no! We may have problems, but I will not give up my nation's sovereignty to form part of a nation that stole half of our lands! Apart from the fact that there will be no clear benefit from us joining the US. ¡Viva México!

You wanna talk about stealing land? Okay, why did Spain steal land from the natives and formed an extension of their Empire (New Spain) of what is now called Mexico.

Your country really has a similar history to the USA. Another former colony from a European superpower turned independent nation. Come to think of it, why do nations of former colonies have people that are ignorant of their own history? Could it be isolation? Does the average Mexican even know their culture is influenced greatly by Spain? Sorry I'm asking all these questions but since I am from California (a presumably stolen land of Mexico) I get this "Go back to Europe, American!" nonsense. Don't Mexicans have European ancestry too?


How about.

The Americans give land back to the real Americans. The Mexicans give the land back to the real Mexicans. And the British give land back to the real British.

*I'm not sure whether i'd have to give back British land however, although my surname 'Smith' is apparently originated from the U.K, i'm not so sure.

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Postby Montesardo-East Adanzi » Sun May 04, 2014 9:39 am

Your country really has a similar history to the USA. Another former colony from a European superpower turned independent nation. Come to think of it, why do nations of former colonies have people that are ignorant of their own history? Could it be isolation? Does the average Mexican even know their culture is influenced greatly by Spain? Sorry I'm asking all these questions but since I am from California (a presumably stolen land of Mexico) I get this "Go back to Europe, American!" nonsense. Don't Mexicans have European ancestry too?


To respond to your question. I acknowledge that we come from Spaniards, as the US was largely made from English, Scots, Irish, Italians, Spaniards as well, French, etc. So, how does that make me ignorant of my origins? I will ensure you that my Mexican counterparts in the US are more corrupted and less cultured than the ones who live in my homeland. It is foolish to say "Go back to Europe since we ourselves are European as well.

Now, as for stealing land. What did the English do to the native tribes once they reached New England? Exactly the same the Spaniards did, but that's not my point. Later, when the US was a sovereign nation, it began expanding its territory West with the well known Louisiana Purchase. From what I recall, there was plenty of native american tribes in those lands. Even so, once the US moved into the Dakotas, they started a war with the Sioux and forced them into submission. Mexico has never done such thing after our independence.
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Sun May 04, 2014 9:40 am

The Emerald Dragon wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:You wanna talk about stealing land? Okay, why did Spain steal land from the natives and formed an extension of their Empire (New Spain) of what is now called Mexico.

Your country really has a similar history to the USA. Another former colony from a European superpower turned independent nation. Come to think of it, why do nations of former colonies have people that are ignorant of their own history? Could it be isolation? Does the average Mexican even know their culture is influenced greatly by Spain? Sorry I'm asking all these questions but since I am from California (a presumably stolen land of Mexico) I get this "Go back to Europe, American!" nonsense. Don't Mexicans have European ancestry too?


How about.

The Americans give land back to the real Americans. The Mexicans give the land back to the real Mexicans. And the British give land back to the real British.

*I'm not sure whether i'd have to give back British land however, although my surname 'Smith' is apparently originated from the U.K, i'm not so sure.

Realistically, former colonies can't give land back.
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Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sun May 04, 2014 9:43 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:
Montesardo-East Adanzi wrote:Hell no! We may have problems, but I will not give up my nation's sovereignty to form part of a nation that stole half of our lands! Apart from the fact that there will be no clear benefit from us joining the US. ¡Viva México!

You wanna talk about stealing land? Okay, why did Spain steal land from the natives and formed an extension of their Empire (New Spain) of what is now called Mexico.

Your country really has a similar history to the USA. Another former colony from a European superpower turned independent nation. Come to think of it, why do nations of former colonies have people that are ignorant of their own history? Could it be isolation? Does the average Mexican even know their culture is influenced greatly by Spain? Sorry I'm asking all these questions but since I am from California (a presumably stolen land of Mexico) I get this "Go back to Europe, American!" nonsense. Don't Mexicans have European ancestry too?


Yes, but they tend to be more mixed than "pure" European (like there's really any such thing on this continent).

Americans, hands off Ukraine and let Russia do what they will in their own sphere of influence! You are not the world's police!
You obviously do since you posted a response like the shifty little red velvet pseudo ant you are. Yes I am onto your little tricks you hissing pest you exoskeleton brier patch you. Now crawl back in to that patch of grass you call hell and hiss some more. -Benuty
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Sun May 04, 2014 9:44 am

Montesardo-East Adanzi wrote:
Your country really has a similar history to the USA. Another former colony from a European superpower turned independent nation. Come to think of it, why do nations of former colonies have people that are ignorant of their own history? Could it be isolation? Does the average Mexican even know their culture is influenced greatly by Spain? Sorry I'm asking all these questions but since I am from California (a presumably stolen land of Mexico) I get this "Go back to Europe, American!" nonsense. Don't Mexicans have European ancestry too?


To respond to your question. I acknowledge that we come from Spaniards, as the US was largely made from English, Scots, Irish, Italians, Spaniards as well, French, etc. So, how does that make me ignorant of my origins? I will ensure you that my Mexican counterparts in the US are more corrupted and less cultured than the ones who live in my homeland. It is foolish to say "Go back to Europe since we ourselves are European as well.

Well yes, my experience of living around Mexicans that are born in the US tend to be ignorant (Mexican Americans/Chicanos are sort of a different ethnic group now). Is Cinco De Mayo even big in Mexico itself? But I do hear that Mexicans in Mexico are much more different. I have a question though. What exactly do they teach in Mexican schools regarding history? How is the Mexican-American War approached from your point of the view?
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Strobe Talbot. wrote:n the next century (now), nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single global authority and realize national sovereignty wasn’t such a great deal after all.

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Postby Pilotto » Sun May 04, 2014 9:44 am

The Emerald Dragon wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:You wanna talk about stealing land? Okay, why did Spain steal land from the natives and formed an extension of their Empire (New Spain) of what is now called Mexico.

Your country really has a similar history to the USA. Another former colony from a European superpower turned independent nation. Come to think of it, why do nations of former colonies have people that are ignorant of their own history? Could it be isolation? Does the average Mexican even know their culture is influenced greatly by Spain? Sorry I'm asking all these questions but since I am from California (a presumably stolen land of Mexico) I get this "Go back to Europe, American!" nonsense. Don't Mexicans have European ancestry too?


How about.

The Americans give land back to the real Americans. The Mexicans give the land back to the real Mexicans. And the British give land back to the real British.

*I'm not sure whether i'd have to give back British land however, although my surname 'Smith' is apparently originated from the U.K, i'm not so sure.

Rome colonized Britain in 43 AD, displacing the native populations. Anyone who can't trace their ancestry to the native British should be deported to Italy.
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Postby Pilotto » Sun May 04, 2014 9:46 am

Montesardo-East Adanzi wrote:
Your country really has a similar history to the USA. Another former colony from a European superpower turned independent nation. Come to think of it, why do nations of former colonies have people that are ignorant of their own history? Could it be isolation? Does the average Mexican even know their culture is influenced greatly by Spain? Sorry I'm asking all these questions but since I am from California (a presumably stolen land of Mexico) I get this "Go back to Europe, American!" nonsense. Don't Mexicans have European ancestry too?

To respond to your question. I acknowledge that we come from Spaniards, as the US was largely made from English, Scots, Irish, Italians, Spaniards as well, French, etc. So, how does that make me ignorant of my origins? I will ensure you that my Mexican counterparts in the US are more corrupted and less cultured than the ones who live in my homeland. It is foolish to say "Go back to Europe since we ourselves are European as well.

Really? What evidence do you have to support this?

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Postby Terra Sector Union » Sun May 04, 2014 9:47 am

Pilotto wrote:
The Emerald Dragon wrote:
How about.

The Americans give land back to the real Americans. The Mexicans give the land back to the real Mexicans. And the British give land back to the real British.

*I'm not sure whether i'd have to give back British land however, although my surname 'Smith' is apparently originated from the U.K, i'm not so sure.

Rome colonized Britain in 54 BC, displacing the native populations. Anyone who can't trace their ancestry to the native British should be deported to Italy.

You know what? Deport everyone back to the Cradle of Mankind.
For so long, Mankind has been plagued by division. Division by culture, creed, skin color, religion and nationality. These very divisions have been the cause of most human conflicts. But in the age of globalism, we can finally have that chance to implement a world government where all human beings are seen as equals. Isn't that what everyone wants? World peace? I do. You should support that too. It may not end all conflicts, but the reductions of Man on Man violence will be at an all time low when the entire planet gets administered by one governing body.


Strobe Talbot. wrote:n the next century (now), nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single global authority and realize national sovereignty wasn’t such a great deal after all.

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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Sun May 04, 2014 9:47 am

Pilotto wrote:
The Emerald Dragon wrote:
How about.

The Americans give land back to the real Americans. The Mexicans give the land back to the real Mexicans. And the British give land back to the real British.

*I'm not sure whether i'd have to give back British land however, although my surname 'Smith' is apparently originated from the U.K, i'm not so sure.

Rome colonized Britain in 54 BC, displacing the native populations. Anyone who can't trace their ancestry to the native British should be deported to Italy.


What would my odds be, apparently the surname 'smith' originated in England. However, i do have at least one Irish relative. Although, i've never actually found any foreign relatives.

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Postby The Gaelic Kingdoms of Britain » Sun May 04, 2014 9:49 am

Yes, as well as the Caribbean, all of South America, and Kamchatka.
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Postby New Connorstantinople » Sun May 04, 2014 9:51 am

We need to further ourself from Mexico's problems, not adopt them.
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