On the Topic of Race-Mixing

[Nesixar]

^Not a rhetorical question by the way. What about this?

I'm "proud" of my Italian heritage as well, and would just as soon not see it vanish from the face of the Earth, or why anyone would consider that to be a good thing.

Race is not only an artificial concept, but it is also inseparable from a legacy of slavery and subjugation. Loving one's culture is a wonderful thing, and being fascinated by the cultures of others is very healthy. It starts to become detrimental when people demand that cultures remain homogeneous and unchanging, as if that were a desirable state, when most of history's great cultural, artistic, and philosophical flowerings were the result of exchange between cultures.
Think of it like a chemical reaction. Who would think that a silvery metal that explodes on contact with water combined with a poisonous green gas would produce a delicious food additive? Who would think that a city-dwelling culture whose religion is based on peaceful asceticism could combine with the culture of warlike pastoralists who worship gods of fire, sex, and drugs to produce one of the richest philosophical traditions in history?

[Orla]

I don't like the idea of most people looking the same. Just seems kinda... weird.

Neither do I.

[Divair2]

I don't like the idea of most people looking the same. Just seems kinda... weird.

So.. don't think about it? It's not like it's going to happen.

[Sjovenia]

It's not inherently good or bad. That said, a society where everyone looks the same is a pretty weird thing to aspire to.

As long as we aren't exactly the same and the world doesnt become a dull boring place

[Pilotto]

I'm "proud" of my Italian heritage as well, and would just as soon not see it vanish from the face of the Earth, or why anyone would consider that to be a good thing.

Race is not only an artificial concept, but it is also inseparable from a legacy of slavery and subjugation. Loving one's culture is a wonderful thing, and being fascinated by the cultures of others is very healthy. It starts to become detrimental when people demand that cultures remain homogeneous and unchanging, as if that were a desirable state, when most of history's great cultural, artistic, and philosophical flowerings were the result of exchange between cultures.
Think of it like a chemical reaction. Who would think that a silvery metal that explodes on contact with water combined with a poisonous green gas would produce a delicious food additive? Who would think that a city-dwelling culture whose religion is based on peaceful asceticism could combine with the culture of warlike pastoralists who worship gods of fire, sex, and drugs to produce one of the richest philosophical traditions in history?

Ha, alright, good point.

[Zaldakki]

Who would think that a city-dwelling culture whose religion is based on peaceful asceticism could combine with the culture of warlike pastoralists who worship gods of fire, sex, and drugs to produce one of the richest philosophical traditions in history?

Wait, which cultures were these? Because that's awesome!

[Nesixar]

Who would think that a city-dwelling culture whose religion is based on peaceful asceticism could combine with the culture of warlike pastoralists who worship gods of fire, sex, and drugs to produce one of the richest philosophical traditions in history?

Wait, which cultures were these? Because that's awesome!

Harappan Civilization + Aryans = Vedic India (which led to things like the Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita)

[Libertarian California]

Who would think that a city-dwelling culture whose religion is based on peaceful asceticism could combine with the culture of warlike pastoralists who worship gods of fire, sex, and drugs to produce one of the richest philosophical traditions in history?

Wait, which cultures were these? Because that's awesome!

The Wild West?

Peaceful Ascetics= Mormons and missionaries
Pastoralists: Cowboys
Fire= six shooters
Sex= the whores of the Wild West
Drugs= Cocaine and weed
Riches= Gold, silver, and copper

[Mushet]

And hence why people cannot stereotype

See, I actually think that's a really nice place to live.

This is where I live myself (my house isn't shown because reasons, but it's one part of the neighborhood):

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.727156,-96.854423,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sceEKRee7PhHjElxAMS_2RA!2e0

I would hope my place isn't categorized as a shithole either simply because it's a mixed neighborhood with predominance of Latinos.

If you have bars on the windows, its the ghetto.

Apparentally my gentrified old neighborhood is a ghetto filled with yuppies.

[Maureteco]

Physical Anthropology doesn't hold any ground in how geneticists look at humans.

Sure, they are a "legit" anthropological branch (again, ask Archreg for this, I don't know) but it doesn't mean they are accurate in this.

In evolutionary biology and cladistics, however, you need something called a diagnostic trait in order to justify creating categories within populations of organisms. A diagnostic trait could be genetic or it could be phenotypic, but it nuts allow a hypothetical observer wth no other reference point to sort the two populations from one another 100% of the time without fail.

And, of course, this is where the idea of race as a legitimate phylogenetic category falls apart; for every racial trait you can name, there are exceptions to the rule. Skin colour, blood types, mitochondrial haplogroups, epicanthal folds, none of them perfectly describe the categories that racialists want to construct.

It's simply a designation of common physical characteristics. People who look the same are grouped together. Racial-deniers aren't addressing the main point. It's a simple system for easy classification. The common man doesn't identify by genetic code. He sees a Korea guy and thinks "Asian." It's a practical system based on identifiable characteristics. Of course, with such mixing over thousands of years, many genes are spread. Some even evolved independently from one another yet have similar effects.

When you say "race" doesn't exist, you're saying an idea doesn't exist. It may be primitive, it may be based on opinion more than genetic evidence, it may be complete arbitrary designation. But the point is, it exists. I believe in treating people as individuals, not as the groups they're apart of physically, but I don't deny these groupings. Hell, you could classify people exclusively by nose-size, and still call it a race. You'd get the same idea across. Genetic code, now that I really think about it, is almost irrelevant in race. People who look the same are in the same race, a group determined to share similar characteristics. It's a concept, and whether you like it or not, is most prominent to the common man. Anything else is unworkable and useless, as far as society goes.

[Mushet]

It's a good thing to be proud of your heritage, imo. But one race isn't inherently superior to another.

inherently is exactly and perfectly true.

1850 ish, Europe conquered the Rest of the World because we had rifles and swords and trousers and they had sticks and bananas. Europe was temporarily superior. But when foreigners got their own rifles and trousers, they took their land back.

Ungrateful bastards.

This advantage was garnered by getting lost, never bathing and taking advantage and exacerbating the widespread disease spread through the continent, then with the plunder gained tilting the axis of power in the favor of parts of Europe and using that to colonize elsewhere, really it's more of a cheap twist than anything else.

[Zaldakki]

It's a good thing to be proud of your heritage, imo. But one race isn't inherently superior to another.

inherently is exactly and perfectly true.

1850 ish, Europe conquered the Rest of the World because we had rifles and swords and trousers and they had sticks and bananas. Europe was temporarily superior. But when foreigners got their own rifles and trousers, they took their land back.

Ungrateful bastards.

Lol what do pants have to do with it?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Sadly Saiwania is proof that racism can survive any amount of condemnation, mockery, and rational thought.

Racism doesn't have to be all bad, us segregationists are just people who want our race to survive and be kept separate for the most part. The supremacists on the other hand, are just purely hateful.

Sorry, but there's no merit in racism.

[Benuty]

Racism doesn't have to be all bad, us segregationists are just people who want our race to survive and be kept separate for the most part. The supremacists on the other hand, are just purely hateful.

Sorry, but there's no merit in racism.

Yes there is it is how we encourage horse breeders to select certain horses for breeding in order to race the spawn .

[Ixzara]

Sorry, but there's no merit in racism.

Yes there is it is how we encourage horse breeders to select certain horses for breeding in order to race the spawn .

I thought it was to make our Burger King hamburgers with better quality meat.

[Arkinesia]

Sadly Saiwania is proof that racism can survive any amount of condemnation, mockery, and rational thought.

Racism doesn't have to be all bad, us segregationists are just people who want our race to survive and be kept separate for the most part. The supremacists on the other hand, are just purely hateful.

What the fuck difference is there? Did you just skip the years between 1865-1968?

[Risottia]

So much hatred and violence has been caused by racism and it would basically be nonexistent if we were all similar.

By the way,

Try telling the phenotypical difference between a Serb, a Croat and a Bosniak. Try telling the phenotypical difference between a Russian, a Belarusian, and a Pole. Try telling the phenotypical difference between a Frenchman, an Italian and a Spaniard.

[Avenio]

It's simply a designation of common physical characteristics. People who look the same are grouped together. Racial-deniers aren't addressing the main point. It's a simple system for easy classification.

It doesn't matter if it's simple or easy or not, it's wrong. We have a moral imperative as scientists to root out incorrect and dangerous ideas based upon bad science, and race is no exception.

The common man doesn't identify by genetic code. He sees a Korea guy and thinks "Asian." It's a practical system based on identifiable characteristics.

So what? People miscategorize things all the time. What makes race so special that its miscategorization is somehow immune to scientific inquiry?

Of course, with such mixing over thousands of years, many genes are spread. Some even evolved independently from one another yet have similar effects.

And?

When you say "race" doesn't exist, you're saying an idea doesn't exist. It may be primitive, it may be based on opinion more than genetic evidence, it may be complete arbitrary designation.

"Race is a biological concept completely rooted in science!"

"Race isn't rooted in science for reasons x y and z"

"Well, of course race doesn't actually correspond to science. That's the point! It's an idea, and ideas are what's truly Real ^(TM)."

You're backpedalling.

But the point is, it exists. I believe in treating people as individuals, not as the groups they're apart of physically, but I don't deny these groupings. Hell, you could classify people exclusively by nose-size, and still call it a race. You'd get the same idea across. Genetic code, now that I really think about it, is almost irrelevant in race.

... Yes, genetics - the thing that quantifies our entire physiology - is entirely irrelevant in the determination of race, a categorization of people based upon physiological traits.

People who look the same are in the same race, a group determined to share similar characteristics. It's a concept, and whether you like it or not, is most prominent to the common man. Anything else is unworkable and useless, as far as society goes.

It doesn't matter if 'the common man' believes it or not, it's bad science. Astrology doesn't become true if people wish for it to be really hard, and the same goes for race.

Besides which, race lost its chance to be looked over as a real societal problem when people decided Africans were fit only to be slaves and 6 million+ Eastern Europeans, Romani, Jews and other nationalities were killed to build the Thousand Year Reich.

[Risottia]

Besides which, race lost its chance to be looked over as a real societal problem when people decided Africans were fit only to be slaves and 6 million+ Eastern Europeans, Romani, Jews and other nationalities were killed to build the Thousand Year Reich.

Actually, 6 million + was JUST the Jews.

[Ixzara]

So much hatred and violence has been caused by racism and it would basically be nonexistent if we were all similar.

By the way,

Try telling the phenotypical difference between a Serb, a Croat and a Bosniak. Try telling the phenotypical difference between a Russian, a Belarusian, and a Pole. Try telling the phenotypical difference between a Frenchman, an Italian and a Spaniard.

The correct answer: The differences are merely cosmetic/superficial.

[Distruzio]

By the way,

Try telling the phenotypical difference between a Serb, a Croat and a Bosniak. Try telling the phenotypical difference between a Russian, a Belarusian, and a Pole. Try telling the phenotypical difference between a Frenchman, an Italian and a Spaniard.

The correct answer: The differences are merely cosmetic/superficial.

A person is not superficial just because they wear make-up, sir/mad'am.

j/k

[Zaldakki]

By ethnicity, I don't mean race. I mean cultural heritage (e.g., French, Japanese, Colombian, Inuit, etc.). Race is boring and unrelated to culture.

Is this okay? For some reason, I find it sexy to know what ethnicity a girl is. It doesn't even matter what ethnicity, as long as I know it. Like if a girl is [ethnicity], it's suddenly hot that she's [ethnicity]. Of course, I can find a girl perfectly hot without knowing it though. The reason it's hot is because it's an interesting thing about her, and since every culture is interesting, every girl's ethnicity is interesting too and thus hot.

[Saiwania]

Is this okay? For some reason, I find it sexy to know what ethnicity a girl is.

What about people who don't know their ethnicity but do know their race? If asked about my ancestral background, I'm not going to say I'm German, Irish, English, Italian- etc. American. I'm going to say, I'm White!

[Zaldakki]

Is this okay? For some reason, I find it sexy to know what ethnicity a girl is.

What about people who don't know their ethnicity but do know their race? If asked about my ancestral background, I'm not going to say I'm German, Irish, English, Italian- etc. American. I'm going to say, I'm White!

They probably have other interesting things that are sexy to know. But race is not one of them, because it's boring.

[Pope Joan]

I've read theories and stories about how, in the future, 90-95% of humans will look extremely similar.
The theory usually claims we will all have tan-ish skin and black/brown hair.
The extra 5-10% is for people passing down recessive traits like blonde hair and blue eyes as well as isolated tribes/groups.

What do you think, NSG?
Personally, I think it's a great thing.
So much hatred and violence has been caused by racism and it would basically be nonexistent if we were all similar.
I think society would advance at a greater rate if we were all unified as well.

Hopefully, at the current rate of globalization and what-not, it takes less than 300-500 years to happen.

http://livescience.com/34228-will-human ... lians.html

I read that our mix would resemble the Maori.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ancing.jpg

Hey that works for me. Do I get the tattoos along with the rest of it?