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Postby Nesixar » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:32 am

Individual humans are nearly identical due to the great genetic bottleneck which occurred after the Toba Eruption. All of the supposed differences between "races" are cultural pretension and none are beyond the cosmetic. A supposed "Negroid" and a "Caucasoid" are no more different from one another than two birds of the same species and subspecies with slightly different surface markings. The modern conception of race only really dates back to the Columbian Exchange and the Maafa Holocaust, and its legacy lay only in slavery and subjugation.

The future of humanity is one of increasing intercultural connexion and understanding as we begin the transition to transhumanism and technological singularity.
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Postby Blazedtown » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:33 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
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When I think of the ghetto, I think south side of Chicago.


And when I think of the ghetto I think of a slum.


So we're on the same page.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:35 am

Blazedtown wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
And when I think of the ghetto I think of a slum.


So we're on the same page.


Define how a caged window is ghetto and not just something people do for either architectural reasons or simply because they felt like it.
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Postby Ixzara » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:38 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
So we're on the same page.


Define how a caged window is ghetto and not just something people do for either architectural reasons or simply because they felt like it.

Caged windows are also an aesthetic choice. This is a situation where causation does not equal correlation.
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But since we all came from Africa, it's a known fact that the best president is an African.
So we need a white African. And we have Obama! Har har har har.


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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:39 am

Ixzara wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Define how a caged window is ghetto and not just something people do for either architectural reasons or simply because they felt like it.

Caged windows are also an aesthetic choice. This is a situation where causation does not equal correlation.


I thought so too, I don't see the leap in logic from "aesthetic choice" to "ghetto".
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Postby Blazedtown » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:50 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
So we're on the same page.


Define how a caged window is ghetto and not just something people do for either architectural reasons or simply because they felt like it.


The only times I've ever seen caged windows outside of the hood is on second story daycares to prevent kids from falling out.
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Postby Ixzara » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:52 am

Blazedtown wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Define how a caged window is ghetto and not just something people do for either architectural reasons or simply because they felt like it.


The only times I've ever seen caged windows outside of the hood is on second story daycares to prevent kids from falling out.

Right. But just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it doesnt exist. Just because you can't see the sun at night, does that mean it doesn't exist?
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Frisivisia wrote:Fact, the best President in history was white. Fact, that proves white people are better at being president. Duh.

But since we all came from Africa, it's a known fact that the best president is an African.
So we need a white African. And we have Obama! Har har har har.


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Postby Blazedtown » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:59 am

Ixzara wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
The only times I've ever seen caged windows outside of the hood is on second story daycares to prevent kids from falling out.

Right. But just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it doesnt exist. Just because you can't see the sun at night, does that mean it doesn't exist?


Yes. The sun dies and is reborn everyday thanks to human sacrifices.
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Postby Ixzara » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:00 am

Blazedtown wrote:
Ixzara wrote:Right. But just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it doesnt exist. Just because you can't see the sun at night, does that mean it doesn't exist?


Yes. The sun dies and is reborn everyday thanks to human sacrifices.

Hmm...that makes you Aztec!
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Frisivisia wrote:Fact, the best President in history was white. Fact, that proves white people are better at being president. Duh.

But since we all came from Africa, it's a known fact that the best president is an African.
So we need a white African. And we have Obama! Har har har har.


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Postby Blazedtown » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:01 am

Ixzara wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
Yes. The sun dies and is reborn everyday thanks to human sacrifices.

Hmm...that makes you Aztec!


I never said I was one doing the sacrifices.
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Postby Ixzara » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:02 am

Blazedtown wrote:
Ixzara wrote:Hmm...that makes you Aztec!


I never said I was one doing the sacrifices.

Then you're Incan.
Norstal wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Fact, the best President in history was white. Fact, that proves white people are better at being president. Duh.

But since we all came from Africa, it's a known fact that the best president is an African.
So we need a white African. And we have Obama! Har har har har.


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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:03 am

Nesixar wrote:Individual humans are nearly identical due to the great genetic bottleneck which occurred after the Toba Eruption. All of the supposed differences between "races" are cultural pretension and none are beyond the cosmetic. A supposed "Negroid" and a "Caucasoid" are no more different from one another than two birds of the same species and subspecies with slightly different surface markings. The modern conception of race only really dates back to the Columbian Exchange and the Maafa Holocaust, and its legacy lay only in slavery and subjugation.

The future of humanity is one of increasing intercultural connexion and understanding as we begin the transition to transhumanism and technological singularity.

Penguins are more genetically diverse than humans.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Ixzara » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:04 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Nesixar wrote:Individual humans are nearly identical due to the great genetic bottleneck which occurred after the Toba Eruption. All of the supposed differences between "races" are cultural pretension and none are beyond the cosmetic. A supposed "Negroid" and a "Caucasoid" are no more different from one another than two birds of the same species and subspecies with slightly different surface markings. The modern conception of race only really dates back to the Columbian Exchange and the Maafa Holocaust, and its legacy lay only in slavery and subjugation.

The future of humanity is one of increasing intercultural connexion and understanding as we begin the transition to transhumanism and technological singularity.

Penguins are more genetically diverse than humans.

Not to mention that they're born with a better birthday suit.
Norstal wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Fact, the best President in history was white. Fact, that proves white people are better at being president. Duh.

But since we all came from Africa, it's a known fact that the best president is an African.
So we need a white African. And we have Obama! Har har har har.


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Postby Iuronia » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:08 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Nesixar wrote:Individual humans are nearly identical due to the great genetic bottleneck which occurred after the Toba Eruption. All of the supposed differences between "races" are cultural pretension and none are beyond the cosmetic. A supposed "Negroid" and a "Caucasoid" are no more different from one another than two birds of the same species and subspecies with slightly different surface markings. The modern conception of race only really dates back to the Columbian Exchange and the Maafa Holocaust, and its legacy lay only in slavery and subjugation.

The future of humanity is one of increasing intercultural connexion and understanding as we begin the transition to transhumanism and technological singularity.

Penguins are more genetically diverse than humans.

Do you have a source for that claim?
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Postby Ixzara » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:10 am

Iuronia wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Penguins are more genetically diverse than humans.

Do you have a source for that claim?

http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-01-11.htm
Norstal wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Fact, the best President in history was white. Fact, that proves white people are better at being president. Duh.

But since we all came from Africa, it's a known fact that the best president is an African.
So we need a white African. And we have Obama! Har har har har.


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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:12 am

Ixzara wrote:
Iuronia wrote:Do you have a source for that claim?

http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-01-11.htm

Plus, it should honestly be common sense. Humans have been around for nothing more than a tiny pebble's worth of time in the geological scheme of things.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:14 am

Mavorpen wrote:

Plus, it should honestly be common sense. Humans have been around for nothing more than a tiny pebble's worth of time in the geological scheme of things.


We just like to think we're very special.
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:16 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Plus, it should honestly be common sense. Humans have been around for nothing more than a tiny pebble's worth of time in the geological scheme of things.


We just like to think we're very special.

Well, that and because we're visual and social animals. It's actually VERY important for us to be able to distinguish between one another, so we tend to notice small differences between other people and we sometimes overexaggerate those differences.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:23 am

Divair2 wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
If you have bars on the windows, its the ghetto.

Today I learned I lived in a ghetto.

Apparently my aunt, who owns her own business and is rather successful, must be living in a Batswana slum. Gotta say, it's one well groomed slum.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:23 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
We just like to think we're very special.

Well, that and because we're visual and social animals. It's actually VERY important for us to be able to distinguish between one another, so we tend to notice small differences between other people and we sometimes overexaggerate those differences.


I recall the concept of race coming from the Enlightenment really, and it was more a pseudoscience at first but people like Kant and others began taking it at truth value; so we can also sort of blame it on the 17th century this whole racism thing.
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Postby Iuronia » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:23 am

Ixzara wrote:
Iuronia wrote:Do you have a source for that claim?

http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-01-11.htm

Oh okay, sounds about right. Thanks.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:26 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Well, that and because we're visual and social animals. It's actually VERY important for us to be able to distinguish between one another, so we tend to notice small differences between other people and we sometimes overexaggerate those differences.


I recall the concept of race coming from the Enlightenment really, and it was more a pseudoscience at first but people like Kant and others began taking it at truth value; so we can also sort of blame it on the 17th century this whole racism thing.

Nah, the Babylonian Talmud is one of the earliest works that incorporates racism iirc. It's something like 3rd or 4th century C.E.
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:26 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Well, that and because we're visual and social animals. It's actually VERY important for us to be able to distinguish between one another, so we tend to notice small differences between other people and we sometimes overexaggerate those differences.


I recall the concept of race coming from the Enlightenment really, and it was more a pseudoscience at first but people like Kant and others began taking it at truth value; so we can also sort of blame it on the 17th century this whole racism thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#In_Antiquity
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:27 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I recall the concept of race coming from the Enlightenment really, and it was more a pseudoscience at first but people like Kant and others began taking it at truth value; so we can also sort of blame it on the 17th century this whole racism thing.

Nah, the Babylonian Talmud is one of the earliest works that incorporates racism iirc.


Really, the Babylonian Talmud and racism? Well, I THINK it would make sense.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:28 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Nah, the Babylonian Talmud is one of the earliest works that incorporates racism iirc.


Really, the Babylonian Talmud and racism? Well, I THINK it would make sense.

Something along the lines that the descendent's of Ham were cursed with black skin and are called degenerates, etc.

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