On the Topic of Race-Mixing

[Libertarian California]

He is a native of the North American continent, I am a native of the country called America.

And the difference is...?

Are you serious?

[Libertarian California]

He is a native of the North American continent, I am a native of the country called America.

Eh, it needs a few hundred more years before there will be real natives here. American Culture needs to evolve a bit more before I'd call it a thing.

We had a thriving Anglo-derived culture for nearly 200 years...

[Maureteco]

Eh, it needs a few hundred more years before there will be real natives here. American Culture needs to evolve a bit more before I'd call it a thing.

We had a thriving Anglo-derived culture for nearly 200 years...

Who's flag is on the Moon?

Wins every argument.

[Estado Paulista]

What you described is nothing more than contemporary racism. The Caste System ended centuries ago. Quintium is right in saying racism still exists, but that's pretty much it.

Well, sure, the caste system isn't in place any longer, but it's effects still affect us.

Well, obviously. Historical events generally tend to affect us. However, Quintium believes Casta still exists and he's wrong. Saying "light-skins rule, darkies serve" is plain dumb, and by saying that, he displays an enormous amount of ignorance on what he's talking about. Latin America has an extremely complex demographic history and although racism exists, there are no ethnic or racial tensions in Latin America, except for a handful of countries.

In the US —and even in some Western European countries— on the other hand, racial tensions are still common. They still have segregated neighborhoods, which as far as I know, have never existed here. In Europe, tensions between immigrants and natives are on the rise. What I mean is that when he mentions Latin America, he ignores very important historic, demographic and cultural aspects while overemphasizing others in order to fit his agenda. He's either being intellectually dishonest, or just plain ignorant.

[Sun Wukong]

And?

"there is no trait that is exclusive to any one group of humans, and no others."

Polar bears just don't have boats. Or else they'd mix. There was a time where there were no blondes in South America. Now there are quite a few. Groups with particular traits have mixed with others, leading to the mixture of traits we have today. Humans are more vulnerable to the effects of inbreeding than animals, so they seek members of other groups. Of course traits aren't exclusive anymore. But you can still tell a Chinese guy from an Arab.

Polar bears and grizzlies are not races. They're not even sub-species (defined as a situation in which all members of a single group share a characteristic not found outside of the group.) They're separate species. Genetically, morphologically, and behaviorally distinct, with both groups possessing traits not found in the other. This is nothing like human races. This would be like Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals.

[Libertarian California]

Polar bears just don't have boats. Or else they'd mix. There was a time where there were no blondes in South America. Now there are quite a few. Groups with particular traits have mixed with others, leading to the mixture of traits we have today. Humans are more vulnerable to the effects of inbreeding than animals, so they seek members of other groups. Of course traits aren't exclusive anymore. But you can still tell a Chinese guy from an Arab.

Polar bears and grizzlies are not races. They're not even sub-species (defined as a situation in which all members of a single group share a characteristic not found outside of the group.) They're separate species. Genetically, morphologically, and behaviorally distinct, with both groups possessing traits not found in the other. This is nothing like human races. This would be like Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals.

Dog breeds would be a better comparison.

[Sun Wukong]

And?

"there is no trait that is exclusive to any one group of humans, and no others."

Only euros have gingers and blondes.

[Libertarian California]

Only euros have gingers and blondes.

Yikes.

[Blazedtown]

Only euros have gingers and blondes.

And non white gingers?

[Sun Wukong]

Polar bears and grizzlies are not races. They're not even sub-species (defined as a situation in which all members of a single group share a characteristic not found outside of the group.) They're separate species. Genetically, morphologically, and behaviorally distinct, with both groups possessing traits not found in the other. This is nothing like human races. This would be like Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals.

Dog breeds would be a better comparison.

Still not a very good comparison. Dogs (all dogs) are juvenilized wolves. Their morphology and behavior is so variant because the principal change is to their development. The only thing like that in humans are some forms of dwarfism, and dwarves aren't usually considered a race outside of D&D.

[Sun Wukong]

(Image)

And non white gingers?

Apparently yes. Though the only picture I could find on short notice is this guy:

And I'm not positive it's legit.

EDIT: Oh, here we go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lae.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uyghur-redhead.jpg

[Napkiraly]

And?

"there is no trait that is exclusive to any one group of humans, and no others."

Only euros have gingers and blondes.

Blond hair and red hair can be found throughout the world, albeit they are more common amongst northern Europeans.

Freckles can likewise be found throughout the world.

[Sanguinea]

And non white gingers?

Apparently yes. Though the only picture I could find on short notice is this guy:

And I'm not positive it's legit.

EDIT: Oh, here we go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lae.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uyghur-redhead.jpg

Well...I stand corrected.

[Blazedtown]

Only euros have gingers and blondes.

Blond hair and red hair can be found throughout the world, albeit they are more common amongst northern Europeans.

Freckles can likewise be found throughout the world.

But have you ever seen a black guy with a case of gingervitis?

[Sun Wukong]

Blond hair and red hair can be found throughout the world, albeit they are more common amongst northern Europeans.

Freckles can likewise be found throughout the world.

But have you ever seen a black guy with a case of gingervitis?

Of course not.

Black people have Soul.

[Avenio]

Only euros have gingers and blondes.

Blond hair and red hair can be found throughout the world, albeit they are more common amongst northern Europeans.

Freckles can likewise be found throughout the world.

Particularly considering that Genghis Khan, according to one of the best sources dating from around the time period, had the red hair and green eyes common to members of the Borjigin clan.

[Sanguinea]

Only euros have gingers and blondes.

Blond hair and red hair can be found throughout the world, albeit they are more common amongst northern Europeans.

Freckles can likewise be found throughout the world.

I know about the freckle thing, it's a common trait in my father's family, both I and my dad have them. And my dad's family is genetically mostly African.

[Napkiraly]

Blond hair and red hair can be found throughout the world, albeit they are more common amongst northern Europeans.

Freckles can likewise be found throughout the world.

But have you ever seen a black guy with a case of gingervitis?

No, and statistically there is a very small chance of it occurring, but not impossible.

[Napkiraly]

Blond hair and red hair can be found throughout the world, albeit they are more common amongst northern Europeans.

Freckles can likewise be found throughout the world.

Particularly considering that Genghis Khan, according to one of the best sources dating from around the time period, had the red hair and green eyes common to members of the Borjigin clan.

Common thought was that he had no soul, now it's confirmed.

[Nirya]

Only euros have gingers and blondes.

What the hell is that thing?

[Blazedtown]

But have you ever seen a black guy with a case of gingervitis?

Of course not.

Black people have Soul.

Thus proving that gingers are still the bottom rung.

[Napkiraly]

What the hell is that thing?

A black child with blond hair? What else would she be?

[Maureteco]

Polar bears just don't have boats. Or else they'd mix. There was a time where there were no blondes in South America. Now there are quite a few. Groups with particular traits have mixed with others, leading to the mixture of traits we have today. Humans are more vulnerable to the effects of inbreeding than animals, so they seek members of other groups. Of course traits aren't exclusive anymore. But you can still tell a Chinese guy from an Arab.

Polar bears and grizzlies are not races. They're not even sub-species (defined as a situation in which all members of a single group share a characteristic not found outside of the group.) They're separate species. Genetically, morphologically, and behaviorally distinct, with both groups possessing traits not found in the other. This is nothing like human races. This would be like Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals.

That still doesn't invalidate my point. Of course race is a man-made concept, but it is based on fact and observation. It's not a sub-species or anything like that. It's a means of grouping various humans who have evolved to meet their environment needs. It's a catagorization based on evolutionary traits.

By the way, Neanderthals functioned EXACTLY like homo sapiens, were capable of having emotion and self-awareness and could intermix with homo sapiens. Which is what they did.

A polar bear and a grizzly bear are still bears. A German Shepard and a Siberian Husky are still dogs. A white man and a black man are still men. But they are different. True, Man's divisions aren't as solid as animals, and any man is capable of doing something another does, despite origin.

But saying race doesn't exist is saying there is no physical difference between men. Which is simply a falsehood.

[Great Empire of Gamilus]

We had a thriving Anglo-derived culture for nearly 200 years...

Who's flag is on the Moon?

Wins every argument.

who got the first satellite, man, dog, woman and alot of others into space first? give you in hint...

Based Communism is best Communism

one shitty flag on the moon dosn't say anything

1957: First intercontinental ballistic missile, the R-7 Semyorka
1957: First satellite, Sputnik 1
1957: First animal to enter Earth orbit, the dog Laika on Sputnik 2
1959: First firing of a rocket in Earth orbit, first man-made object to escape Earth's orbit, Luna 1
1959: First data communications, or telemetry, to and from outer space, Luna 1.
1959: First man-made object to pass near the Moon, first artificial satellite in Solar orbit, Luna 1
1959: First probe to impact the Moon, Luna 2
1959: First images of the moon's far side, Luna 3
1960: First animals to safely return from Earth orbit, the dogs Belka and Strelka on Sputnik 5.
1960: First probe launched to Mars, Marsnik 1 (failed to reach target)
1961: First probe launched to Venus, Venera 1
1961: First person in space (International definition) and in Earth orbit, Yuri Gagarin on Vostok 1, Vostok programme
1961: First person to spend over a day in space Gherman Titov, Vostok 2 (also first person to sleep in space).
1962: First dual crewed spaceflight, Vostok 3 and Vostok 4
1963: First woman in space, Valentina Tereshkova, Vostok 6
1964: First multi-person crew (3), Voskhod 1
1965: First EVA, by Aleksei Leonov, Voskhod 2
1965: First probe to hit another planet (Venus), Venera 3
1966: First probe to make a soft landing on and transmit from the surface of the moon, Luna 9
1966: First probe in lunar orbit, Luna 10
1967: First automated, crewless rendezvous and docking, Cosmos 186/Cosmos 188. (Until 2006, this had remained the only major space achievement that the US had not duplicated.)
1969: First docking between two crewed crafts in Earth orbit and exchange of crews, Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5

[Blazedtown]

Who's flag is on the Moon?

Wins every argument.

who got the first satellite, man, dog, woman and alot of others into space first? give you in hint...

Based Communism is best Communism

one shitty flag on the moon dosn't say anything

1957: First intercontinental ballistic missile, the R-7 Semyorka
1957: First satellite, Sputnik 1
1957: First animal to enter Earth orbit, the dog Laika on Sputnik 2
1959: First firing of a rocket in Earth orbit, first man-made object to escape Earth's orbit, Luna 1
1959: First data communications, or telemetry, to and from outer space, Luna 1.
1959: First man-made object to pass near the Moon, first artificial satellite in Solar orbit, Luna 1
1959: First probe to impact the Moon, Luna 2
1959: First images of the moon's far side, Luna 3
1960: First animals to safely return from Earth orbit, the dogs Belka and Strelka on Sputnik 5.
1960: First probe launched to Mars, Marsnik 1 (failed to reach target)
1961: First probe launched to Venus, Venera 1
1961: First person in space (International definition) and in Earth orbit, Yuri Gagarin on Vostok 1, Vostok programme
1961: First person to spend over a day in space Gherman Titov, Vostok 2 (also first person to sleep in space).
1962: First dual crewed spaceflight, Vostok 3 and Vostok 4
1963: First woman in space, Valentina Tereshkova, Vostok 6
1964: First multi-person crew (3), Voskhod 1
1965: First EVA, by Aleksei Leonov, Voskhod 2
1965: First probe to hit another planet (Venus), Venera 3
1966: First probe to make a soft landing on and transmit from the surface of the moon, Luna 9
1966: First probe in lunar orbit, Luna 10
1967: First automated, crewless rendezvous and docking, Cosmos 186/Cosmos 188. (Until 2006, this had remained the only major space achievement that the US had not duplicated.)
1969: First docking between two crewed crafts in Earth orbit and exchange of crews, Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5

And all of this was made possible on both sides using captured Nazi scientists.