On the Topic of Race-Mixing

[Nazi Flower Power]

What is the state of the neighborhoods though? I know a few who came from Dallas and heard quiet a few horror stories.

It's an okay neighborhood. We don't have any violence and right now it's pretty quiet besides the occasional dog barking because a car or a dog is passing by. I live next to a neighbor who gets a little loud during Fridays but meh, it's Friday, and I have heavy sleep so I don't care about him.

All that's playing right now is my music in my room. Also the neighborhood is kept very clean for a Mexican neighborhood compared to the "shitholes" I keep hearing other people around the U.S. complaining about.

Some people have different standards of what constitutes a "shithole." I used to live in Chelsea, MA, which is heavily Latino, low-income, and just generally one of the more poor and run-down places in Massachusetts. It didn't bother me that much, but I had a roommate that complained non-stop about how ghetto it was. Some people just put the worst possible spin on everything when they start seeing stuff in Spanish.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Some people have different standards of what constitutes a "shithole." I used to live in Chelsea, MA, which is heavily Latino, low-income, and just generally one of the more poor and run-down places in Massachusetts. It didn't bother me that much, but I had a roommate that complained non-stop about how ghetto it was. Some people just put the worst possible spin on everything when they start seeing stuff in Spanish.

My neighborhood is not Highland Park either but it doesn't bother me at all what I see around here. We also have white people moving in and to be fair? I go down those streets skateboarding and just greeting people as I go along. It doesn't bother me and it doesn't bother them.

I guess you're right. The entire view is subjective.

[Wikipedia and Universe]

I've heard the "one day we'll be so mixed up we'll all look the same" idea before, and the person promoting it is usually framing it as some utopia or (more annoyingly) the only antidote to bigotry and prejudice in the world. (Personally, I don't care if some racist idiocy persists as long as it's driven from the public sphere and relegated to a handful of miserable nutters at the margins, as with any crank idea.) I take annoyance with people who aspire to it as a utopia, as I don't see anything particularly utopian about a world without variety. (Of course, if it happens, it happens; I just don't view it as a utopia we "ought" to seek necessarily.) I hope we can still have plenty of diversity without people making a big deal of it, sort of like Star Trek.

Realistically, the mechanism by which this hypothetical uni-racial world is supposed to form (interracial reproduction on a massive scale) has limits of its own, even if we assume the complete collapse of racialist attitudes worldwide (keep in mind that in many cultures outside the west, racial prejudice remains the norm and is relatively uncontroversial). Even ignoring political boundaries such as national borders and travel restrictions (I have nothing against these per se and believe they have their place, but I'm making a hypothetical point here.), geography alone would prevent miscegenation from occurring on the scale needed to achieve any sort of global homogeneity. Even with improvements in transportation, anything approaching this outcome would require people to travel extreme distances in massive droves aboard ships, planes, or even Virgin Galactic-style commercial spacecraft with the intention of fucking each other. Such a global miscegenation program would also likely require an increase in reproduction which would run counter to actual long-term demographic transition projections. At this point, we're already forgetting that, according to most proponents of this hypothesis, this mixing of humans to the point of near homogeneity is supposed to occur by accident. As such, I'm highly skeptical of the idea, and I think the promotion of attitudes respecting diversity is a far more viable approach than expecting (or hoping) we'll all look the same one day.

[Ixzara]

I've heard the "one day we'll be so mixed up we'll all look the same" idea before, and the person promoting it is usually framing it as some utopia or (more annoyingly) the only antidote to bigotry and prejudice in the world. (Personally, I don't care if some racist idiocy persists as long as it's driven from the public sphere and relegated to a handful of miserable nutters at the margins, as with any crank idea.) I take annoyance with people who aspire to it as a utopia, as I don't see anything particularly utopian about a world without variety. (Of course, if it happens, it happens; I just don't view it as a utopia we "ought" to seek necessarily.) I hope we can still have plenty of diversity without people making a big deal of it, sort of like Star Trek.

Realistically, the mechanism by which this hypothetical uni-racial world is supposed to form (interracial reproduction on a massive scale) has limits of its own, even if we assume the complete collapse of racialist attitudes worldwide (keep in mind that in many cultures outside the west, racial prejudice remains the norm and is relatively uncontroversial). Even ignoring political boundaries such as national borders and travel restrictions (I have nothing against these per se and believe they have their place, but I'm making a hypothetical point here.), geography alone would prevent miscegenation from occurring on the scale needed to achieve any sort of global homogeneity. Even with improvements in transportation, anything approaching this outcome would require people to travel extreme distances in massive droves aboard ships, planes, or even Virgin Galactic-style commercial spacecraft with the intention of fucking each other. Such a global miscegenation program would also likely require an increase in reproduction which would run counter to actual long-term demographic transition projections. At this point, we're already forgetting that, according to most proponents of this hypothesis, this mixing of humans to the point of near homogeneity is supposed to occur by accident. As such, I'm highly skeptical of the idea, and I think the promotion of attitudes respecting diversity is a far more viable approach than expecting (or hoping) we'll all look the same one day.

Basically, this. Latin American countries, for example, tend to have a "Marry Latin" attitude with regards to who you should or shouldn't marry. If anything, that should probably have the "White Pride" twats chill for a while.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I've heard the "one day we'll be so mixed up we'll all look the same" idea before, and the person promoting it is usually framing it as some utopia or (more annoyingly) the only antidote to bigotry and prejudice in the world. (Personally, I don't care if some racist idiocy persists as long as it's driven from the public sphere and relegated to a handful of miserable nutters at the margins, as with any crank idea.) I take annoyance with people who aspire to it as a utopia, as I don't see anything particularly utopian about a world without variety. (Of course, if it happens, it happens; I just don't view it as a utopia we "ought" to seek necessarily.) I hope we can still have plenty of diversity without people making a big deal of it, sort of like Star Trek.

Realistically, the mechanism by which this hypothetical uni-racial world is supposed to form (interracial reproduction on a massive scale) has limits of its own, even if we assume the complete collapse of racialist attitudes worldwide (keep in mind that in many cultures outside the west, racial prejudice remains the norm and is relatively uncontroversial). Even ignoring political boundaries such as national borders and travel restrictions (I have nothing against these per se and believe they have their place, but I'm making a hypothetical point here.), geography alone would prevent miscegenation from occurring on the scale needed to achieve any sort of global homogeneity. Even with improvements in transportation, anything approaching this outcome would require people to travel extreme distances in massive droves aboard ships, planes, or even Virgin Galactic-style commercial spacecraft with the intention of fucking each other. Such a global miscegenation program would also likely require an increase in reproduction which would run counter to actual long-term demographic transition projections. At this point, we're already forgetting that, according to most proponents of this hypothesis, this mixing of humans to the point of near homogeneity is supposed to occur by accident. As such, I'm highly skeptical of the idea, and I think the promotion of attitudes respecting diversity is a far more viable approach than expecting (or hoping) we'll all look the same one day.

Basically, this. Latin American countries, for example, tend to have a "Marry Latin" attitude with regards to who you should or shouldn't marry. If anything, that should probably have the "White Pride" twats chill for a while.

My dad used to joke about it saying "you guys should marry Latin, unless they have money; then go for it"

[Ixzara]

Basically, this. Latin American countries, for example, tend to have a "Marry Latin" attitude with regards to who you should or shouldn't marry. If anything, that should probably have the "White Pride" twats chill for a while.

My dad used to joke about it saying "you guys should marry Latin, unless they have money; then go for it"

My mom used to say that

[Soldati Senza Confini]

My dad used to joke about it saying "you guys should marry Latin, unless they have money; then go for it"

My mom used to say that

Yes, it's very common for our parents to be preoccupied about money

[Ixzara]

Some people have different standards of what constitutes a "shithole." I used to live in Chelsea, MA, which is heavily Latino, low-income, and just generally one of the more poor and run-down places in Massachusetts. It didn't bother me that much, but I had a roommate that complained non-stop about how ghetto it was. Some people just put the worst possible spin on everything when they start seeing stuff in Spanish.

My neighborhood is not Highland Park either but it doesn't bother me at all what I see around here. We also have white people moving in and to be fair? I go down those streets skateboarding and just greeting people as I go along. It doesn't bother me and it doesn't bother them.

I guess you're right. The entire view is subjective.

Hmm, I hope my neighborhood doesn't qualify for the definition of hellhole.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Irene+G%C3%B3mez+Reyna+La+Florida,+64810+Monterrey,+NL,+Mexico+%E2%80%8E&ie=UTF-8&ei=FpJXU9WLOqSM0wXRroHQAw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ

[Soldati Senza Confini]

My neighborhood is not Highland Park either but it doesn't bother me at all what I see around here. We also have white people moving in and to be fair? I go down those streets skateboarding and just greeting people as I go along. It doesn't bother me and it doesn't bother them.

I guess you're right. The entire view is subjective.

Hmm, I hope my neighborhood doesn't qualify for the definition of hellhole.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Irene+G%C3%B3mez+Reyna+La+Florida,+64810+Monterrey,+NL,+Mexico+%E2%80%8E&ie=UTF-8&ei=FpJXU9WLOqSM0wXRroHQAw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ

And hence why people cannot stereotype

See, I actually think that's a really nice place to live.

This is where I live myself (my house isn't shown because reasons, but it's one part of the neighborhood):

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.727156,-96.854423,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sceEKRee7PhHjElxAMS_2RA!2e0

I would hope my place isn't categorized as a shithole either simply because it's a mixed neighborhood with predominance of Latinos.

[Ixzara]

Hmm, I hope my neighborhood doesn't qualify for the definition of hellhole.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Irene+G%C3%B3mez+Reyna+La+Florida,+64810+Monterrey,+NL,+Mexico+%E2%80%8E&ie=UTF-8&ei=FpJXU9WLOqSM0wXRroHQAw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ

And hence why people cannot stereotype

See, I actually think that's a really nice place to live.

This is where I live myself (my house isn't shown because reasons, but it's one part of the neighborhood):

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.727156,-96.854423,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sceEKRee7PhHjElxAMS_2RA!2e0

I would hope my place isn't categorized as a shithole either simply because it's a mixed neighborhood with predominance of Latinos.

Looks like you live in a typical, suburban, Middle-Class, American neighborhood. It'd be nice to live in a neighborhood like that. (Except for the size of the lawn. Can you say maintenance?!?!?) I live in a typical Mexican, Middle-class neighborhood. I think the problem is that people believe that diversity=ghetto, when it's really not.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And hence why people cannot stereotype

See, I actually think that's a really nice place to live.

This is where I live myself (my house isn't shown because reasons, but it's one part of the neighborhood):

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.727156,-96.854423,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sceEKRee7PhHjElxAMS_2RA!2e0

I would hope my place isn't categorized as a shithole either simply because it's a mixed neighborhood with predominance of Latinos.

Looks like you live in a typical, suburban, Middle-Class, American neighborhood. It'd be nice to live in a neighborhood like that. (Except for the size of the lawn. Can you say maintenance?!?!?) I live in a typical Mexican, Middle-class neighborhood. I think the problem is that people believe that diversity=ghetto, when it's really not.

Indeed, and as the case has proven even diverse neighborhoods can look middle class

And as for maintenance of the lawn, my dad placed gravel and brick on a lot of the yard and a fence around, so I have to go and mow the lawn outside of the fence every week or so

I would honestly have confused your neighborhood with a high-class neighborhood. It looks really nice.

[Ixzara]

Looks like you live in a typical, suburban, Middle-Class, American neighborhood. It'd be nice to live in a neighborhood like that. (Except for the size of the lawn. Can you say maintenance?!?!?) I live in a typical Mexican, Middle-class neighborhood. I think the problem is that people believe that diversity=ghetto, when it's really not.

Indeed, and as the case has proven even diverse neighborhoods can look middle class

And as for maintenance of the lawn, my dad placed gravel and brick on a lot of the yard and a fence around, so I have to go and mow the lawn outside of the fence every week or so

I would honestly have confused your neighborhood with a high-class neighborhood. It looks really nice.

Oh no. I don't make enough money for a high-class neighborhood house. I think American culture such as TV and the news have made Mexico look like it's poorer than it is in reality. I think the belief in North America (CAN and USA) is that Mexico is a country where there is nothing but shacks and a few hyper-rich, light skinned, billionaires. The reality is that 60% of the population is in the Middle-class (US is somewhere in the neighborhood of 80-85%), except our middle-class makes less money than the US middle-class. I make like USD $36,000 per year which here, is firmly middle-class but it would be considered working-class income in the USA. But the shit about the government is true. They're a bunch of corrupt dipshits.

Here is where the rich people in my town live. If you take a satellite view, you'll see that most of the houses here have pools. this isn't even the richest part of the city. The richest part of the city is a bit further northwest of this location, but for some reason, streetview hasn't gone through those areas.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Del+Rosario+533,+Hacienda+El+Rosario,+66247+Nuevo+Le%C3%B3n,+Mexico&ie=UTF-8&ei=Q55XU_DDGI2W0QX-s4GgCw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ

[Blazedtown]

Hmm, I hope my neighborhood doesn't qualify for the definition of hellhole.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Irene+G%C3%B3mez+Reyna+La+Florida,+64810+Monterrey,+NL,+Mexico+%E2%80%8E&ie=UTF-8&ei=FpJXU9WLOqSM0wXRroHQAw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ

And hence why people cannot stereotype

See, I actually think that's a really nice place to live.

This is where I live myself (my house isn't shown because reasons, but it's one part of the neighborhood):

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.727156,-96.854423,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sceEKRee7PhHjElxAMS_2RA!2e0

I would hope my place isn't categorized as a shithole either simply because it's a mixed neighborhood with predominance of Latinos.

If you have bars on the windows, its the ghetto.

[Divair2]

And hence why people cannot stereotype

See, I actually think that's a really nice place to live.

This is where I live myself (my house isn't shown because reasons, but it's one part of the neighborhood):

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.727156,-96.854423,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sceEKRee7PhHjElxAMS_2RA!2e0

I would hope my place isn't categorized as a shithole either simply because it's a mixed neighborhood with predominance of Latinos.

If you have bars on the windows, its the ghetto.

Today I learned I lived in a ghetto.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And hence why people cannot stereotype

See, I actually think that's a really nice place to live.

This is where I live myself (my house isn't shown because reasons, but it's one part of the neighborhood):

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.727156,-96.854423,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sceEKRee7PhHjElxAMS_2RA!2e0

I would hope my place isn't categorized as a shithole either simply because it's a mixed neighborhood with predominance of Latinos.

If you have bars on the windows, its the ghetto.

I think ghetto doesn't mean what you think it means.

[Benuty]

If you have bars on the windows, its the ghetto.

Today I learned I lived in a ghetto.

All we need now is the military police shooting it out with insurgents and an a black market then it would be perfect.

[Ixzara]

Today I learned I lived in a ghetto.

All we need now is the military police shooting it out with insurgents and an a black market then it would be perfect.

Don't forget the shacks and the tenements.

[Blazedtown]

All we need now is the military police shooting it out with insurgents and an a black market then it would be perfect.

Don't forget the shacks and the tenements.

I said ghetto not favelea.

[Ucropi]

I'm sorry but correct me if I'm wrong skin colour doesn't denote race. We are all human who cares who you bang?

[Iuronia]

I don't particularly care for race-mixing, as I believe men should be free to do anything, as long as it is harms no one (but themselves, if they so will).

But, I do not anticipate brightly a world where everyone looks the same, and I think that there should be diversity.

But the shit about the government is true. They're a bunch of corrupt dipshits.

Like pretty much everywhere else.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Don't forget the shacks and the tenements.

I said ghetto not favelea.

Ghetto has a very specific definition in my book which is historical:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... rsovie.jpg

In other words just because people have used now "ghetto" to mean anything they consider "low class" is completely arbitrary bullshit.

Given that our yards are clean and our streets look nice and we're not shooting each other nor robbing each other, or have compliance issues with the city in any form whatsoever I am compelled to dismiss this as complete bullshit.

[Zaldakki]

1st generation immigrants where born and in all probability raised in another country. That means they may have loyalties other than to their new host country. Second generation will still hold dear a good portion of the cultural values and practices of their home country, being raised by people from that country and probably speak the language of their homeland. 3rd generation will hopefully have fully Americanized with only a few traces of their home culture and language still present, while the fourth generation will only have the recipes for the good ethnic foods and the occasional awful delicacies of the home country kept around for torturing in laws.

As a 1st generation Citizen I find that a little inaccurate. I'm sorry but if you think I hold any loyalties to the country where I was born or to the one my mother is from you are dead wrong and are completely making ignorant arguments without ever knowing an immigrant yourself. So let me enlighten you how we people in the citizenship process think (the vast majority of us anyways, I am sure there are exceptions).

We don't think "oh we're going to fuck over America"; we think "you know? We actually want to have a life and children in this land and contribute to this country which is our land now by choice." Yes, we hold our heritage and culture, but only the good values of said culture. I'm an Americanized Latino basically except for certain beliefs and cultural differences that I still have that I have found beneficial to retain because they make me a better person and gives me an advantage (such as my language and work ethics as well as racial indifference).

The truth is I have also learned how to coexist with all other cultures around me, and if that isn't what an American is supposed to do then you can kiss my ass because I learned your constitution and I know, better than you do, how I feel about America and which country I hold more loyalty to - which is the country I hold my citizenship right now. So for you to say "oh immigrants have other loyalties" is extremely dishonest and ignorant of you given that those of us who come here expect a better life and people like you just like to shit all over it by flaunting your so-called "American Heritage" at us while we prove we're much better than you and we have the self-respect not to lower ourselves to discriminate you.

^This. Immigrants are often more patriotic about their host country than even natives are.

[Ixzara]

Don't forget the shacks and the tenements.

I said ghetto not favelea.

Well, Hooverville for Americans. Americans haven't had a real slum since the end of WW2.

[Blazedtown]

I said ghetto not favelea.

Ghetto has a very specific definition in my book which is historical:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... rsovie.jpg

In other words just because people have used now "ghetto" to mean anything they consider "low class" is completely arbitrary bullshit.

Given that our yards are clean and our streets look nice I am compelled to dismiss this as complete bullshit.

When I think of the ghetto, I think south side of Chicago.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Ghetto has a very specific definition in my book which is historical:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... rsovie.jpg

In other words just because people have used now "ghetto" to mean anything they consider "low class" is completely arbitrary bullshit.

Given that our yards are clean and our streets look nice I am compelled to dismiss this as complete bullshit.

When I think of the ghetto, I think south side of Chicago.

And when I think of the ghetto I think of a slum. Again, your definition is completely arbitrary.