UK govt wants all porn sites to prove you're adults

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm using prude in the sense of a political term for people who actually want government interference in this shit. People who simply aren't interested in sex aren't prudes. To be a prude implies an overbearing interest in other peoples sex lives.

Well...I would meet your definition of a prude then, however, I think it irresponsible and ignorant to jump the gun and implement restrictions on something who's effects on the groups targeted by this legislation hasn't been investigated.

As long as everyone involved consents, I don't see how it's anyones business, and attempting to force yourself into other peoples sex lives without their consent is pretty damned creepy.

A child can't consent to sex because they are too young to understand the consequences fully, some of which are negative, and may not be developed enough. That isn't the case for masturbation, and hasn't been demonstrated to be the case for porn.

[Sanguinea]

I'm 13 and glad I don't live in the UK.
That is all.

Are you mommy's special wittle snow fwake?

[Zaldakki]

I'm 13 and glad I don't live in the UK.
That is all.

Are you mommy's special wittle snow fwake?

I'm AQ'ing this lol.

[Sanguinea]

Well...I would meet your definition of a prude then, however, I think it irresponsible and ignorant to jump the gun and implement restrictions on something who's effects on the groups targeted by this legislation hasn't been investigated.

As long as everyone involved consents, I don't see how it's anyones business, and attempting to force yourself into other peoples sex lives without their consent is pretty damned creepy.

A child can't consent to sex because they are too young to understand the consequences fully, some of which are negative, and may not be developed enough. That isn't the case for masturbation, and hasn't been demonstrated to be the case for porn.

Eh, I personally have a distaste for modern sexual mores, it's dirty and animalistic. But, I'm pragmatic enough to believe the subject warrants investigation, before making presumptive legal motions.

[Thafoo]

Are you mommy's special wittle snow fwake?

I'm AQ'ing this lol.

You AQ too many things.

[Ostroeuropa]

As long as everyone involved consents, I don't see how it's anyones business, and attempting to force yourself into other peoples sex lives without their consent is pretty damned creepy.

A child can't consent to sex because they are too young to understand the consequences fully, some of which are negative, and may not be developed enough. That isn't the case for masturbation, and hasn't been demonstrated to be the case for porn.

Eh, I personally have a distaste for modern sexual mores, it's dirty and animalistic. But, I'm pragmatic enough to believe the subject warrants investigation, before making presumptive legal motions.

Well, i'm fine with you then. Great. Why can't people like you be dealing with this?


If you can find evidence that it's actually harmful to kids, i'll concede the point that it should be regulated for their benefit.
I don't care if adults harm themselves in consensual activities. It's their business.

[The UK in Exile]

Well...I would meet your definition of a prude then, however, I think it irresponsible and ignorant to jump the gun and implement restrictions on something who's effects on the groups targeted by this legislation hasn't been investigated.

As long as everyone involved consents, I don't see how it's anyones business, and attempting to force yourself into other peoples sex lives without their consent is pretty damned creepy.

A child can't consent to sex because they are too young to understand the consequences fully, some of which are negative, and may not be developed enough. That isn't the case for masturbation, and hasn't been demonstrated to be the case for porn.

and 25% of people in studies report unwanted exposure to pornography.

To which you responded that there must have been something wrong with them.

so your position is actually that unless you consent, you're a pervert.

[Ostroeuropa]

As long as everyone involved consents, I don't see how it's anyones business, and attempting to force yourself into other peoples sex lives without their consent is pretty damned creepy.

A child can't consent to sex because they are too young to understand the consequences fully, some of which are negative, and may not be developed enough. That isn't the case for masturbation, and hasn't been demonstrated to be the case for porn.

and 25% of people in studies report unwanted exposure to pornography.

To which you responded that there must have been something wrong with them.

so your position is actually that unless you consent, you're a pervert.

No, to which I responded that if you want legislation to add a spoiler to porn i'm all in favor because that's an actually proportionate response, and is in line with consent ethics.
Then I said that they may have been upset by their exposure because of the rhetoric you people use constantly.
I guess you anti-porn types are just obsessed with making shit up huh.

So they got upset?
So what. Boo hoo. That isn't a damaging outcome. It's people being upset. Far more people get upset by prudes raging about pornography i'm betting, if you were to take this NS poll as at all representative.

That said, if you want to add a law that porn sites should be spoilered with a warning i'd be in favor. That's an actually proportionate response, and is completely in line with consent ethics.

/you are about to view porn. Is that ok? yes/no.

That is all that is required to prevent this.

Golly gee. It's the evidence against your post.

[The UK in Exile]

and 25% of people in studies report unwanted exposure to pornography.

To which you responded that there must have been something wrong with them.

so your position is actually that unless you consent, you're a pervert.

No, to which I responded that if you want legislation to add a spoiler to porn i'm all in favor because that's an actually proportionate response, and is in line with consent ethics.
Then I said that they may have been upset by their exposure because of the rhetoric you people use constantly.
I guess you anti-porn types are just obsessed with making shit up huh.

25 percent of people are prudes who think titties, boners, and asses are inherently awful things to look at.
I guess all this anti-porn rhetoric is damaging children. We should mandate that you have to be 18 before being exposed to it.

The odd thing is, I've never said a word in support of this policy.

[Ostroeuropa]

No, to which I responded that if you want legislation to add a spoiler to porn i'm all in favor because that's an actually proportionate response, and is in line with consent ethics.
Then I said that they may have been upset by their exposure because of the rhetoric you people use constantly.
I guess you anti-porn types are just obsessed with making shit up huh.

25 percent of people are prudes who think titties, boners, and asses are inherently awful things to look at.
I guess all this anti-porn rhetoric is damaging children. We should mandate that you have to be 18 before being exposed to it.

The odd thing is, I've never said a word in support of this policy.

No, you just keep arguing against people who are arguing against it and ignoring those arguing for it.

"I'm not a racist, I just spent all my time arguing with egalitarians and ignoring racists."

You aren't fooling anyone.

[The UK in Exile]

and 25% of people in studies report unwanted exposure to pornography.

To which you responded that there must have been something wrong with them.

so your position is actually that unless you consent, you're a pervert.

No, to which I responded that if you want legislation to add a spoiler to porn i'm all in favor because that's an actually proportionate response, and is in line with consent ethics.
Then I said that they may have been upset by their exposure because of the rhetoric you people use constantly.
I guess you anti-porn types are just obsessed with making shit up huh.

So they got upset?
So what. Boo hoo. That isn't a damaging outcome. It's people being upset. Far more people get upset by prudes raging about pornography i'm betting, if you were to take this NS poll as at all representative.

That said, if you want to add a law that porn sites should be spoilered with a warning i'd be in favor. That's an actually proportionate response, and is completely in line with consent ethics.

/you are about to view porn. Is that ok? yes/no.

That is all that is required to prevent this.

Golly gee. It's the evidence against your post.

Golly gee. if only you could selectively say the things you think as well as you selectively quote them.

[The UK in Exile]

The odd thing is, I've never said a word in support of this policy.

No, you just keep arguing against people who are arguing against it and ignoring those arguing for it.

"I'm not a racist, I just spent all my time arguing with egalitarians and ignoring racists."

You aren't fooling anyone.

My first post is an argument against this policy. then again, not suprised you missed it, we all know what one of the side effects of masturbation is....

[Ostroeuropa]

No, to which I responded that if you want legislation to add a spoiler to porn i'm all in favor because that's an actually proportionate response, and is in line with consent ethics.
Then I said that they may have been upset by their exposure because of the rhetoric you people use constantly.
I guess you anti-porn types are just obsessed with making shit up huh.





Golly gee. It's the evidence against your post.

Golly gee. if only you could selectively say the things you think as well as you selectively quote them.

It's selective quoting?
How so?

It explicitly disproves what you accused me of, whereas your quote doesn't even support your accusation at all. If anyones selectively quoting here, it's you.

[Ostroeuropa]

No, you just keep arguing against people who are arguing against it and ignoring those arguing for it.

"I'm not a racist, I just spent all my time arguing with egalitarians and ignoring racists."

You aren't fooling anyone.

My first post is an argument against this policy. then again, not suprised you missed it, we all know what one of the side effects of masturbation is....

"But i said i'm not a racist before spending all my time arguing against how the races are equal."


EDIT:
Ok sure. I'll believe you aren't in favor of the policy. You're just doing a terrible job of advocating your position. With friends like these, I suppose.

[Sanguinea]

Are you mommy's special wittle snow fwake?

I'm AQ'ing this lol.

Uh, ok. You're welcome I suppose.

Eh, I personally have a distaste for modern sexual mores, it's dirty and animalistic. But, I'm pragmatic enough to believe the subject warrants investigation, before making presumptive legal motions.

Well, i'm fine with you then. Great. Why can't people like you be dealing with this?


If you can find evidence that it's actually harmful to kids, i'll concede the point that it should be regulated for their benefit.
I don't care if adults harm themselves in consensual activities. It's their business.

I suppose because politicians form political gangs which reinforces their mentality. I used to be much like these types of people being totally anti-porn, but I've been moving to a much less hardline position for a while now. This sort of stuff is on a much lower tier of importance to me than it was. Accusations without investigation is unjust, and subverts social order.

If an actual through study on pornography's effects on pubescent teens finds that there is little to no negative effects, I would accept that, albeit probably reluctantly.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm AQ'ing this lol.

Uh, ok. You're welcome I suppose.

Well, i'm fine with you then. Great. Why can't people like you be dealing with this?


If you can find evidence that it's actually harmful to kids, i'll concede the point that it should be regulated for their benefit.
I don't care if adults harm themselves in consensual activities. It's their business.

I suppose because politicians form political gangs which reinforces their mentality. I used to be much like these types of people being totally anti-porn, but I've been moving to a much less hardline position for a while now. This sort of stuff is on a much lower tier of importance to me than it was. Accusations without investigation is unjust, and subverts social order.

If an actual through study on pornography's effects on pubescent teens finds that there is little to no negative effects, I would accept that, albeit probably reluctantly.

I've already said that I think any parent who lets their pre-pubescent child wander around the net without supervision is being neglectful, as much as if they let them wander around the streets unsupervised. (Albeit, there is less risk online, but there is still risk.)
Complaining that we need to ban Brothels because a child you let wander off might walk in is absolutely absurd.

[Sanguinea]

Uh, ok. You're welcome I suppose.



I suppose because politicians form political gangs which reinforces their mentality. I used to be much like these types of people being totally anti-porn, but I've been moving to a much less hardline position for a while now. This sort of stuff is on a much lower tier of importance to me than it was. Accusations without investigation is unjust, and subverts social order.

If an actual through study on pornography's effects on pubescent teens finds that there is little to no negative effects, I would accept that, albeit probably reluctantly.

I've already said that I think any parent who lets their pre-pubescent child wander around the net without supervision is being neglectful, as much as if they let them wander around the streets unsupervised. (Albeit, there is less risk online, but there is still risk.)
Complaining that we need to ban Brothels because a child you let wander off might walk in is absolutely absurd.

I've never thought of it that way, but it makes hella sense.

[The UK in Exile]

My first post is an argument against this policy. then again, not suprised you missed it, we all know what one of the side effects of masturbation is....

"But i said i'm not a racist before spending all my time arguing against how the races are equal."


EDIT:
Ok sure. I'll believe you aren't in favor of the policy. You're just doing a terrible job of advocating your position.

No-ones argued against my position that having a system that verifies age by the dissemination of private information to third parties is a terrible idea that totally nullifies any marginal gain in preventing exposure to pornography. As usual you've run a raging campaign to purge your personal nuroses, American's have claimed that this indicates the re-birth of the forth reich, people who don't understand technology have seen no problems with it what-so-ever and religious types have weighed in with the usual guff that pornography is sinful. the one person who commented on what I said confused what I was talking about with an entirely different policy. Do you really think your swingeing rant that revealed so much about you and so little of any evidence or even considered opinion was an effective argument? Does it contain an single fact not caveated as an opinion or suspicion?

[Ostroeuropa]

"But i said i'm not a racist before spending all my time arguing against how the races are equal."


EDIT:
Ok sure. I'll believe you aren't in favor of the policy. You're just doing a terrible job of advocating your position.

No-ones argued against my position that having a system that verifies age by the dissemination of private information to third parties is a terrible idea that totally nullifies any marginal gain in preventing exposure to pornography. As usual you've run a raging campaign to purge your personal nuroses, American's have claimed that this indicates the re-birth of the forth reich, people who don't understand technology have seen no problems with it what-so-ever and religious types have weighed in with the usual guff that pornography is sinful. the one person who commented on what I said confused what I was talking about with an entirely different policy. Do you really think your swingeing rant that revealed so much about you and so little of any evidence or even considered opinion was an effective argument? Does it contain an single fact not caveated as an opinion or suspicion?

Which part of my "rant" is wrong exactly.
They are inserting themselves into peoples sex lives without their consent. This type of banning sexual activity is typical of the kind of patriarchal religious shite that people peddle in order to force people to have sex with them (Or others like them, I guess. But you get to call them a whore after.) or have sex with nobody (Because abstinence TOTALLY works.)and nobody else. It's inherently creepy and rapey behaviour, which is probably why slut shaming and rape culture are so inherently entwined.

Is it not a fact that they are inserting themselves into other peoples sex lives without their consent?

[Cyyro]

Out of idle curiosity, is there a reason you think porn sites should be openly accessible to children?

So we can masturbate more easily.

[Arkinesia]

This is the exact reason the First Amendment included the clause “Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion”.

Fundies say all the time that the founding fathers were totes okay with the idea of religious expression in government, but in the historical-grammatical context that's absolute nonsense. The founders all were quite well-aware of the way European governments worked and how parochial they were, and they didn't want that for the United States of America.

Which is why today the Moral Majority continues to control the Republican Party

[Gairvuu]

I don't see why David Cameron, or parents have such an issue with under 18's wanking...

[Vicious Debaters]

Fuck the Tory government! Boo!

I don't believe the state should be watching everything we do. I don't believe they have the right to push this shit on people. This porn filter should be optional and automatically turned off unless you choose to turn it on- as it is, it's oppression

Out of idle curiosity, is there a reason you think porn sites should be openly accessible to children?

Not getting the point? There's plenty of ways that parents prevent their children from viewing adult material, and it's not necessary to put a state-sanctioned 'prude filter' on everyone's computers.

So now we have to call and ask our ISP's to opt-in to view porn, and prove we're 18. And then we have to prove it again by providing CC details to every single porn site. What about adults who don't have CC details? The Tory govt is apparently full of people who are so old they have no fucking clue how internet porn works.

I'm so glade back here in the U.S., everything's more free...

*shot in the face by a drone*

[Dejanic]

Thinking about it, it's kind of absurd that you can legally host a gangbang at the age of 16, but can't watch titties online.

[Aurora Novus]

I doubt it, because nobody actually cares except the prudes, who have an inherent bias. It's usually sufficient to just point out their bullshit and ask them to actually come up with (And prove) negative effects, which none of them can manage to do. That's good enough.

It's coercive and controlling behaviour designed to force those people to have sex with those who are banning and regulating other types of sex.

Whoa, don't lump all us "prudes" in the same boat!

I think an actual study would help point out what should be restricted or not for kids, or if anything at all needs to be restricted.

You're not a prude. You're more akin to some brand of Asexual I think, based on what you've said in this topic. Which is perfectly natural and fine.