More than 100 hate-crime murders linked to single website

[Dejanic]

Stormfront is pretty fucked, I used to post in their opposing views forum but stopped after the admins their ip tracked this other opposition poster who lived just a town away from me, he ended up getting beaten up in real life after the admins posted his address. Bunch of nutters.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Yeah, to elaborate. The guy was a teenage Leftist who had a long history of proxying and spying on Stormfront for extended periods of time, eventually they had enough, used his ip, found his blog and facebook which had pictures of him and posts where he'd mentioned where he worked and stuff, then a group of Stormfront members who lived in his city literally waited for him, followed him and beat the shit out of him.

After that I just gave up on trolling them. They're dangerous people.

[Regnum Dominae]

So, you support their message of hate, I presume?

No, but they should not be silenced for their views.

Then maybe they should stop using their website for real life crime.

[Chestaan]

It's done quite a lot, it makes them genuinely mad. It's pretty easy to create diversions also though, like pretend to be a British nationalist and post their talking about how you hate Poles and Russians and you'll have half of Stormfront killing each other within half an hour.

Irish nationalists are also fun to work with as well.

Irish nationalism usually implies something quite different to other forms of nationalism. Quite a lot of Irish nationalists are fairly left-leaning, for example.

[Wind in the Willows]

Yeah, let's just silence you while we are at it.

That website is disproportionately populated by murderers and I wouldn't be surprised if violent activity was planned on that site.

I am very against the murderers of the site, however the users that are merely expressing their views on the board are fine. But morons that actually murder people are fucking crazy.

[Orla]

They've demonstrated that they need no pushing to resort to violent action. Any who do should be treated as the criminals they are.

There's no sense in arbitrarily shutting down the site. If they have no place to talk to each other, they have no place to be monitored.

If it isn't shut down, it should at least be monitored by government agents wearing suits and sunglasses *nods*.

[Wind in the Willows]

No, but they should not be silenced for their views.

Then maybe they should stop using their website for real life crime.

I agree, but not all users use it for that purpose.

[Geilinor]

There's no sense in arbitrarily shutting down the site. If they have no place to talk to each other, they have no place to be monitored.

If it isn't shut down, it should at least be monitored by government agents wearing suits and sunglasses *nods*.

The NSA already is, they just don't wear sunglasses.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

It's done quite a lot, it makes them genuinely mad. It's pretty easy to create diversions also though, like pretend to be a British nationalist and post their talking about how you hate Poles and Russians and you'll have half of Stormfront killing each other within half an hour.

Honestly, if you're going to waste your time posting there, you should at least try and make them change their views. Like, you know, explain why racism and homophobia are bad, instead of just feeding their hate for non-whites and non-heterosexuals through trolling.

[Orla]

And you are calling them racist?

He's calling white trash that are racist, racist...

White people =/= White trash

[Dejanic]

It's done quite a lot, it makes them genuinely mad. It's pretty easy to create diversions also though, like pretend to be a British nationalist and post their talking about how you hate Poles and Russians and you'll have half of Stormfront killing each other within half an hour.

Irish nationalists are also fun to work with as well.

Yeah. "Oh I'm a British Nationalist and I believe that Ireland should be part of the British Kingdom due to it's historical ties to the British isles". The website will explode.

Or even better. "Hey, I'm a Albanian Muslim and I'm wondering if Albanians are considered White".

Or my favourite "Hello, I'm a Black Transwoman Lesbian Communist Feminist".

[Vetalia]

Freedom of speech shouldn't be curtailed because the content is "hate speech". As deplorable as they are, simply holding these views should never be a crime...and you're living in fantasy land if you think shutting down Stormfront would make them disappear.

[Geilinor]

It's done quite a lot, it makes them genuinely mad. It's pretty easy to create diversions also though, like pretend to be a British nationalist and post their talking about how you hate Poles and Russians and you'll have half of Stormfront killing each other within half an hour.

Honestly, if you're going to waste your time posting there, you should at least try and make them change their views. Like, you know, explain why racism and homophobia are bad, instead of just feeding their hate for non-whites and non-heterosexuals through trolling.

They could find his IP address and beat him up or kill him.

[Galloism]

To be fair, and all, the 77 count serial murderer throws the curve a bit.

You could probably find 100 murder victims murdered by people connected with that guy's local grocery store.

Edit: not that stormfront isn't a terrible place, of course.

[Buddha Punk Robot Monks]

Irish nationalists are also fun to work with as well.

Irish nationalism usually implies something quite different to other forms of nationalism. Quite a lot of Irish nationalists are fairly left-leaning, for example.

Yeah but the Stormfronters don't understand that.

[Wind in the Willows]

It's done quite a lot, it makes them genuinely mad. It's pretty easy to create diversions also though, like pretend to be a British nationalist and post their talking about how you hate Poles and Russians and you'll have half of Stormfront killing each other within half an hour.

Honestly, if you're going to waste your time posting there, you should at least try and make them change their views. Like, you know, explain why racism and homophobia are bad, instead of just feeding their hate for non-whites and non-heterosexuals through trolling.

I actually kind of agree with that.

[Scomagia]

There's no sense in arbitrarily shutting down the site. If they have no place to talk to each other, they have no place to be monitored.

If the SPLC could find out this much information, I'm sure the police will be able to find enough information to have a go at them.

Sure, those who have already committed or planned to commit crimes. The rest, who may well be disturbed enough to become violent as well, will have no legitimate reason to be monitored afterward. You leave it open, insert agents into the user base, and preempt any terror attacks that they might be considering.

[Geilinor]

Freedom of speech shouldn't be curtailed because the content is "hate speech".

Advocacy of violence against certain people is far more than "hate speech".

[Orla]

Irish nationalism usually implies something quite different to other forms of nationalism. Quite a lot of Irish nationalists are fairly left-leaning, for example.

Yeah but the Stormfronters don't understand that.

Stormfront logic : You don't have blonde hair and blue eyes? Die.

[The Grey Wolf]

No, but they should not be silenced for their views.

Then maybe they should stop using their website for real life crime.

Not all of them do. Some are actually very pleasant people who would never break the law. Others are just barkers with no bite.

[Regnum Dominae]

Freedom of speech shouldn't be curtailed because the content is "hate speech". As deplorable as they are, simply holding these views should never be a crime...and you're living in fantasy land if you think shutting down Stormfront would make them disappear.

I agree with this, "hate speech" alone shouldn't be a crime. The thing is, Stormfront has gone beyond the realm of pure speech with its connections to real life murders. I view shutting down Stormfront as almost like shutting down a criminal organization.

[Tagmatium]

Stormfront is pretty fucked, I used to post in their opposing views forum but stopped after the admins their ip tracked this other opposition poster who lived just a town away from me, he ended up getting beaten up in real life after the admins posted his address. Bunch of nutters.

And what about the Fascists that have been beaten up as a result of their addresses being posted on leftists boards?

Personally, I shed not a tear.

It's a pernicious ideology, one which resulted in industrialised murder of millions.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Honestly, if you're going to waste your time posting there, you should at least try and make them change their views. Like, you know, explain why racism and homophobia are bad, instead of just feeding their hate for non-whites and non-heterosexuals through trolling.

They could find his IP address and beat him up or kill him.

Exactly, which is why I don't exactly recommend going to extremist websites; I was just trying to point out that if he insists on going there, he should at least try and be helpful, pointing out the illogical nature of racism and homophobia instead of just feeding the hate with trolling.

[Geilinor]

Freedom of speech shouldn't be curtailed because the content is "hate speech". As deplorable as they are, simply holding these views should never be a crime...and you're living in fantasy land if you think shutting down Stormfront would make them disappear.

I agree with this, "hate speech" alone shouldn't be a crime. The thing is, Stormfront has gone beyond the realm of pure speech with its connections to real life murders. I view shutting down Stormfront as almost like shutting down a criminal organization.

This^.

[Regnum Dominae]

Freedom of speech shouldn't be curtailed because the content is "hate speech".

Advocacy of violence against certain people is far more than "hate speech".

The problem isn't so much the advocacy as the actions in itself, which justifies shutting Stormfront down.

[Dejanic]

It's done quite a lot, it makes them genuinely mad. It's pretty easy to create diversions also though, like pretend to be a British nationalist and post their talking about how you hate Poles and Russians and you'll have half of Stormfront killing each other within half an hour.

Honestly, if you're going to waste your time posting there, you should at least try and make them change their views. Like, you know, explain why racism and homophobia are bad, instead of just feeding their hate for non-whites and non-heterosexuals through trolling.

I'd rather not post their in the first place. But regardless, most of these people are middle aged White Nationalist militants with a long family history of racism and fascism, there parents raised them this way, and they've raised their children in these ways. It's going to take more than a forum post to dissuade them.