by Arumdaum » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:58 pm
by The Scientific States » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:20 pm
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:22 pm
by Llamalandia » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:27 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:There will be sometime where poor people's lives will suck so much, that they will get too frustrated to be brainwashed by organized religion as historically and get revolutionary once more.
We need just another liter in a 10 million gallon reservoir in Brazil for that to happen. And it will, if the people put a right-wing party at the top again and it turns out to fuck our lives just like Fernando Henrique did in the late 1990s and early 2000s. I don't want to catch dengue fever or stand to week-long blackouts again myself. In São Paulo, where they didn't transition to left-wing politics, they now are very close to not having enough water to take showers (some are already doing it in neighbor's houses) or washing their dishes.
And then the moderate liberal lack of empathy will be foolish.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:28 pm
Llamalandia wrote:Wow, so your going full on commie with the whole religion==opiate of the masses eh?
I really don't think religion has the same impact it used too. Besides, was the catholic church involved/is involved to some extent with social and economic justice anyway? I don't think the Papa Francis sits around with fortune 500 ceo's thinking of ways he can help screw over poor people.
by The Liberated Territories » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:42 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Llamalandia wrote:Wow, so your going full on commie with the whole religion==opiate of the masses eh?
I really don't think religion has the same impact it used too. Besides, was the catholic church involved/is involved to some extent with social and economic justice anyway? I don't think the Papa Francis sits around with fortune 500 ceo's thinking of ways he can help screw over poor people.
The Roman Catholic Church is now mostly irrelevant. It's opiate of the traditional bourgeoisie values.
What helps making poor people dumber right now are obviously fundamentalist sects of Christianity including plenty of lines followed by Evangelicals and Pentecostals. Just watch as they say Easter eggs are a tool of Satan here in Brazil.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:46 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:As a general entity, the Catholic Church, although traditional leaning, has always goodwill to all mankind through a spirit of international brotherhood and charity. Sound familiar?
by The Liberated Territories » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:57 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:The Liberated Territories wrote:As a general entity, the Catholic Church, although traditional leaning, has always goodwill to all mankind through a spirit of international brotherhood and charity. Sound familiar?
That's why an Albanian fascist who only did a social project in Bengal that said the poor came to the world as such to learn to be loved by God through pain and death and treated people not with painkillers and anesthetics that she hated oh-so-much in completely otherwise easy issues like ovarian cysts had to stand the pain through rosaries... But when she had health problems herself, she was the first to rush to Switzerland. And now she's a saint, and people mention that monster as an example of good person.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:03 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Tell me this. Stalin called himself a communist, used communist symbolism, and preached communism, but does he define communism? Do communists typically accept Stalin? Don't believe that ideology is immune to the same pitfalls religion has, such as opposing factions, ideological chauvinism, people fighting over what constitutes as "real" or the "truth," whatever.
by Aequalitia » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:10 pm
The Scientific States wrote:I, for one, am glad that left wing politics are eroding, but I doubt it'll stay this way. Third Way politics is slowly beginning to fade away, which can be seen in many countries. Take the UK, for example. Milliband, a person whose politics are similar to that of 1970's or 80's Labour is now leader, and stuff like this is happening in other social democratic parties.
For now, Neoliberalism and the like are the norm, which is fine.
by The Scientific States » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:32 pm
Aequalitia wrote:The Scientific States wrote:I, for one, am glad that left wing politics are eroding, but I doubt it'll stay this way. Third Way politics is slowly beginning to fade away, which can be seen in many countries. Take the UK, for example. Milliband, a person whose politics are similar to that of 1970's or 80's Labour is now leader, and stuff like this is happening in other social democratic parties.
For now, Neoliberalism and the like are the norm, which is fine.
Neoliberalism is like a slow inferno, it starts with a small flame, but at the end the fire is so big and destroyed everything.
by Thafoo » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:43 pm
The Scientific States wrote:Aequalitia wrote:Neoliberalism is like a slow inferno, it starts with a small flame, but at the end the fire is so big and destroyed everything.
I'm not a neoliberal, but it's not a bad ideology, nor is it very good. It's not a inferno, in my opinion, since neoliberalism has done some good things, and it hasn't done anything too disastrous.
by Canaore » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:45 pm
The Scientific States wrote:Aequalitia wrote:Neoliberalism is like a slow inferno, it starts with a small flame, but at the end the fire is so big and destroyed everything.
I'm not a neoliberal, but it's not a bad ideology, nor is it very good. It's not a inferno, in my opinion, since neoliberalism has done some good things, and it hasn't done anything too disastrous.
by Punkvania » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:47 pm
Thafoo wrote:The Scientific States wrote:
I'm not a neoliberal, but it's not a bad ideology, nor is it very good. It's not a inferno, in my opinion, since neoliberalism has done some good things, and it hasn't done anything too disastrous.
It's great when you make it a part of the Nordic Model. Mostly because it actually works and still is working.
by Avenio » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:48 pm
The Scientific States wrote:Aequalitia wrote:Neoliberalism is like a slow inferno, it starts with a small flame, but at the end the fire is so big and destroyed everything.
I'm not a neoliberal, but it's not a bad ideology, nor is it very good. It's not a inferno, in my opinion, since neoliberalism has done some good things, and it hasn't done anything too disastrous.
by Canaore » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:49 pm
by Avenio » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:00 pm
by The Scientific States » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:03 pm
by Yanalia » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:07 pm
Free South Califas wrote:Dammit Byzantium, stop spraying your ignorance on everyone.
by Avenio » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:14 pm
The Scientific States wrote:Thafoo wrote:Now there's your problem.
No kidding. I don't like a lot of aspects of neoliberalism, for reasons Avenio brought up, but the American definition of neoliberalism is different from what people consider neoliberalism elsewhere. The American political spectrum is very right wing.
by Libertarian California » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:14 am
by The Liberated Territories » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:24 am
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:The Liberated Territories wrote:Tell me this. Stalin called himself a communist, used communist symbolism, and preached communism, but does he define communism? Do communists typically accept Stalin? Don't believe that ideology is immune to the same pitfalls religion has, such as opposing factions, ideological chauvinism, people fighting over what constitutes as "real" or the "truth," whatever.
The thing is, the Roman Catholic Church isn't an ideology, it's an [evil] institution, the same institution who says people like Mother Theresa are examples of human beings when they might be some of the most wicked and miserableness-causing in existence.
by Libertarian California » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:26 am
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:The Liberated Territories wrote:Tell me this. Stalin called himself a communist, used communist symbolism, and preached communism, but does he define communism? Do communists typically accept Stalin? Don't believe that ideology is immune to the same pitfalls religion has, such as opposing factions, ideological chauvinism, people fighting over what constitutes as "real" or the "truth," whatever.
The thing is, the Roman Catholic Church isn't an ideology, it's an [evil] institution, the same institution who says people like Mother Theresa are examples of human beings when they might be some of the most wicked and miserableness-causing in existence.
by Lemanrussland » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:32 am
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